I have been listening to the new GameUnder podcast while travelling to and fro my work and literally snorted coffee through my nose when the new 'segment' was brought up by Foolz. Which is to say I laughed, as I was not drinking at the time, and even if I were, it would not have been coffee. I didn't realize that my love for the more abstruse parts of the English langauge was so clear for all to see. Very kind of you to name this after your one loyal listener. BUT, great was my disappointment when the actual word came up, as 'autodidact' was in no way a new word to me. It's well known in at least 2 of the many, many, MANY other languages I speak. Still, I had to look 'grammarian' up.
I'm currently as far as the part about Obra Din and will finish listening in a couple of hours when I drive home.
Naturally, as a polyglot, your vocabulary eclipses mine.
Your disappointment was likely offset by the awesome segment themesong.
True. I was pleasantly surprised at how well you managed to imitate my low, masculine, voice.
So I just finished the GU podcast and I thought I'd vent some thoughts on Splatoon, even though I don't recall everything that has been said due to my listening being spread over 3 different commutes.
I don't agree with Foolz that you can lose a match based on luck. There is no luck. There is nothing that happens beyond what is player-controlled, so there can be no luck. If your whole team gets splatted together, that is not because of bad luck.
Foolz critiqued how the tide of the game can change in the last 20 seconds, resulting in a win or loss for the team who was losing for the whole of the match. What's wrong with this? I do not agree that this has been made so as to appeal to children. If your games are 3 minutes long, what could possibly happen if it took 2 minutes to make a dashing comeback? This isn't any different from sports, where you can be winning, only for your team to go into a slump at the end and still lose the match. I'd rather contribute this to a desire to make games more hectic, akin to a Mario Kart race, than to a clear wish to appeal to children.
the mini game is great, but I wouldn't compare it to Mario Kart. I like to see it as to what Nintendo could be capable of on smartphones. Also, the jellyfish give you a double jump, seastars make you incontrolable fast. And there are 3 more minigames to play between matches, but they're locked behind Amiibo.
I found the overall score to be a bit high. Personally I'd rate it in the 8-8.5 range. The mechanics are superb, but the actual game is, even to this day, too slim to hit the 9+ territory for me. Perhaps if we ever see the game expanded upon in a sequel 10 or more years down the line.
There's probably more, but I already forgot everything that you mentioned in the first half of your impressions. I agree that a large chunk of this game's charm derives from how tactile everything is. There is as much joy to be found in the sound the ink makes as there is in the boundless energy of Mario running around a stage.
I do believe you can get splatted by luck by the killer wail since it goes through walls.
You can change the results in the last 30 seconds but I view that as a good thing, not dying in the last minute and being able to surge forward for a last minute victory is very satisfying.
So I just finished the GU podcast and I thought I'd vent some thoughts on Splatoon, even though I don't recall everything that has been said due to my listening being spread over 3 different commutes.
I don't agree with Foolz that you can lose a match based on luck. There is no luck. There is nothing that happens beyond what is player-controlled, so there can be no luck. If your whole team gets splatted together, that is not because of bad luck.
Foolz critiqued how the tide of the game can change in the last 20 seconds, resulting in a win or loss for the team who was losing for the whole of the match. What's wrong with this? I do not agree that this has been made so as to appeal to children. If your games are 3 minutes long, what could possibly happen if it took 2 minutes to make a dashing comeback? This isn't any different from sports, where you can be winning, only for your team to go into a slump at the end and still lose the match. I'd rather contribute this to a desire to make games more hectic, akin to a Mario Kart race, than to a clear wish to appeal to children.
the mini game is great, but I wouldn't compare it to Mario Kart. I like to see it as to what Nintendo could be capable of on smartphones. Also, the jellyfish give you a double jump, seastars make you incontrolable fast. And there are 3 more minigames to play between matches, but they're locked behind Amiibo.
I found the overall score to be a bit high. Personally I'd rate it in the 8-8.5 range. The mechanics are superb, but the actual game is, even to this day, too slim to hit the 9+ territory for me. Perhaps if we ever see the game expanded upon in a sequel 10 or more years down the line.
There's probably more, but I already forgot everything that you mentioned in the first half of your impressions. I agree that a large chunk of this game's charm derives from how tactile everything is. There is as much joy to be found in the sound the ink makes as there is in the boundless energy of Mario running around a stage.
1. Unless you're philosophically stating that luck doesn't exist, of course you can lose a match based on luck for an infinite number of reasons; not simply my scenario. And in my scenario skill certainly does not have to affect teams getting splatted at the wrong time: the team that gets splatted is just as easily the one that is dominating as the one that is being dominated. Are you suggesting that low level players getting dominated by a team not only skilled in one on one, but taking up good positions on the map, are carefully plotting to take down the other team right at the end so they can't retaliate?
2. That chaos in Mario Kart, like in Splatoon, is not simply to make things more crazy, it's also to make the game interesting for players with less skill. Making it more hectic isn't some unintentional side effect, but nor is it the sole focus of the design. And it's not at all like a comeback in sport, it's contrived and once again decides matches not based solely on skill. It's like having a penalty shoot-out at the end of every football match, even if a team is winning. As for it catering to children, of course it is. Everything about Splatoon is aimed at children from the structure to the aesthetic and the marketing. There's nothing wrong with that at all, and it's one of the reasons I like Splatoon so much (I haven't matured since birth). But it's semantics, anyway. The issue isn't that this penalty shootout design caters to children, or is there just to make the game more hectic, the issue is that it makes the game worse.
4. I can't remember whether Phil gave it a 10, but if he did then the overall score was 17.5, which is an 8.5, not a 9. If he gave it a 9, then it's 8.25. So the overall score is actually right in line with your rating. However both your and Phil's rating are too high.
Hold your horses, you're not getting away with this just by saying 'anyway, great comments', no matter what smiley you attach!
Foolz said:
1. Unless you're philosophically stating that luck doesn't exist, of course you can lose a match based on luck for an infinite number of reasons; not simply my scenario. And in my scenario skill certainly does not have to affect teams getting splatted at the wrong time: the team that gets splatted is just as easily the one that is dominating as the one that is being dominated. Are you suggesting that low level players getting dominated by a team not only skilled in one on one, but taking up good positions on the map, are carefully plotting to take down the other team right at the end so they can't retaliate?
2. That chaos in Mario Kart, like in Splatoon, is not simply to make things more crazy, it's also to make the game interesting for players with less skill. Making it more hectic isn't some unintentional side effect, but nor is it the sole focus of the design. And it's not at all like a comeback in sport, it's contrived and once again decides matches not based solely on skill. It's like having a penalty shoot-out at the end of every football match, even if a team is winning. As for it catering to children, of course it is. Everything about Splatoon is aimed at children from the structure to the aesthetic and the marketing. There's nothing wrong with that at all, and it's one of the reasons I like Splatoon so much (I haven't matured since birth). But it's semantics, anyway. The issue isn't that this penalty shootout design caters to children, or is there just to make the game more hectic, the issue is that it makes the game worse.
4. I can't remember whether Phil gave it a 10, but if he did then the overall score was 17.5, which is an 8.5, not a 9. If he gave it a 9, then it's 8.25. So the overall score is actually right in line with your rating. However both your and Phil's rating are too high.
Anyway, great comments.
1. Luck is based on chance, of which there is none in Splatoon. There is no roll of the dice, your inkling can't trip and break their leg, no interactive scenery that can take you out unawares, ... The only luck there is to it is prior to the game, in the choice of stage and what teammates you get. But during the game, luck has nothing to do with it, as there are no elements of chance. And I'd be willing to debate on the matter of carefully planning when it would bu opportune to take out opponents.
2. I agree that this results in the game being more enjoyable to the lesser skilled, but not that this implies they would be kids. And it's not akin to ending every match with a shootout, it's akin to having a 1 goal lead for 85 minutes and still having the other team score twice in the last 5. It is part of the game, as it is part of the sport. There is no teamsport that I am aware of that grants victory on how well each team has played during the match, only the outcome counts. It is something that if you're playing the game, are aware of and can keep in mind when strategising.
If you fumble in the last 20 seconds you didn't lose unfairly, you just didn't win.
4. You average out at 8.75, which is higher than an 8.5, and definitely more so than an 8.0. A 7.5 is just too low, even in the grand sheme of all things video game related every released.
Oooh a new Pikmin. That could be cool. Pikmin 3 was noticeably a Wii game in a few spots. I'd love to see a new installment that was built for the Wii U (or more likely NX) from the ground up.
1. Luck is based on chance, of which there is none in Splatoon. There is no roll of the dice, your inkling can't trip and break their leg, no interactive scenery that can take you out unawares, ... The only luck there is to it is prior to the game, in the choice of stage and what teammates you get. But during the game, luck has nothing to do with it, as there are no elements of chance. And I'd be willing to debate on the matter of carefully planning when it would bu opportune to take out opponents.
2. I agree that this results in the game being more enjoyable to the lesser skilled, but not that this implies they would be kids. And it's not akin to ending every match with a shootout, it's akin to having a 1 goal lead for 85 minutes and still having the other team score twice in the last 5. It is part of the game, as it is part of the sport. There is no teamsport that I am aware of that grants victory on how well each team has played during the match, only the outcome counts. It is something that if you're playing the game, are aware of and can keep in mind when strategising.
If you fumble in the last 20 seconds you didn't lose unfairly, you just didn't win.
4. You average out at 8.75, which is higher than an 8.5, and definitely more so than an 8.0. A 7.5 is just too low, even in the grand sheme of all things video game related every released.
You haven't addressed how there is no correlation between skill and ridiculous end of game comebacks in Turf War. Also, this is why it's like a penalty shootout, not like a spontaneous comeback. The last 20 seconds of a match is the only part of the match that matters. Every other part of the match, it literally doesn't matter what happens. That's not like a comeback. That's not like how football, or any reasonable sport is designed. The ranked matches are better in this regard, but suffer from similar design flaws.
Everything about the game is designed to appeal to children; I don't know why you'd even want to do deny that. I'm not criticising it for this. I won't repeat myself on this a second time (as we're literally disagreeing about semantics, who cares?) so here's an emoticon:
7.5 is actually too high. The .5 was based on the potential of its staying power, not what it actually deserves right now. It's a very good game, it's not even close to great. But if it remains very good for long enough, it might be close to being great in the context of online shooters. I use the full scale, so 7 is a really, really good score from me.
Some great advice to Nintendo on what they should do with the NX, from AlphaOmegaSin. Sadly, I can see them ignoring 95% of this advice because its Nintendo....whereas Sony and Microsoft would do most of this.
Just got gold on the S licence:
Finished this, which wasn't finishing it apparently:
Started this:
Eventually, but not right away unless its praised as the best one ever.True. I was pleasantly surprised at how well you managed to imitate my low, masculine, voice.
So I just finished the GU podcast and I thought I'd vent some thoughts on Splatoon, even though I don't recall everything that has been said due to my listening being spread over 3 different commutes.
There's probably more, but I already forgot everything that you mentioned in the first half of your impressions. I agree that a large chunk of this game's charm derives from how tactile everything is. There is as much joy to be found in the sound the ink makes as there is in the boundless energy of Mario running around a stage.
I do believe you can get splatted by luck by the killer wail since it goes through walls.
You can change the results in the last 30 seconds but I view that as a good thing, not dying in the last minute and being able to surge forward for a last minute victory is very satisfying.
So why did Bungie remove the story from Destiny? Was it THAT controversial? Because there's no way in hell it was revised to make it better....
1. Unless you're philosophically stating that luck doesn't exist, of course you can lose a match based on luck for an infinite number of reasons; not simply my scenario. And in my scenario skill certainly does not have to affect teams getting splatted at the wrong time: the team that gets splatted is just as easily the one that is dominating as the one that is being dominated. Are you suggesting that low level players getting dominated by a team not only skilled in one on one, but taking up good positions on the map, are carefully plotting to take down the other team right at the end so they can't retaliate?
2. That chaos in Mario Kart, like in Splatoon, is not simply to make things more crazy, it's also to make the game interesting for players with less skill. Making it more hectic isn't some unintentional side effect, but nor is it the sole focus of the design. And it's not at all like a comeback in sport, it's contrived and once again decides matches not based solely on skill. It's like having a penalty shoot-out at the end of every football match, even if a team is winning. As for it catering to children, of course it is. Everything about Splatoon is aimed at children from the structure to the aesthetic and the marketing. There's nothing wrong with that at all, and it's one of the reasons I like Splatoon so much (I haven't matured since birth). But it's semantics, anyway. The issue isn't that this penalty shootout design caters to children, or is there just to make the game more hectic, the issue is that it makes the game worse.
4. I can't remember whether Phil gave it a 10, but if he did then the overall score was 17.5, which is an 8.5, not a 9. If he gave it a 9, then it's 8.25. So the overall score is actually right in line with your rating. However both your and Phil's rating are too high.
Anyway, great comments.
Not sure if it was linked here by GG a few weeks ago, but the release date for STARFOX Zero is November 20th in the US and Europe.
Hold your horses, you're not getting away with this just by saying 'anyway, great comments', no matter what smiley you attach!
1. Luck is based on chance, of which there is none in Splatoon. There is no roll of the dice, your inkling can't trip and break their leg, no interactive scenery that can take you out unawares, ... The only luck there is to it is prior to the game, in the choice of stage and what teammates you get. But during the game, luck has nothing to do with it, as there are no elements of chance. And I'd be willing to debate on the matter of carefully planning when it would bu opportune to take out opponents.
2. I agree that this results in the game being more enjoyable to the lesser skilled, but not that this implies they would be kids. And it's not akin to ending every match with a shootout, it's akin to having a 1 goal lead for 85 minutes and still having the other team score twice in the last 5. It is part of the game, as it is part of the sport. There is no teamsport that I am aware of that grants victory on how well each team has played during the match, only the outcome counts. It is something that if you're playing the game, are aware of and can keep in mind when strategising.
If you fumble in the last 20 seconds you didn't lose unfairly, you just didn't win.
4. You average out at 8.75, which is higher than an 8.5, and definitely more so than an 8.0. A 7.5 is just too low, even in the grand sheme of all things video game related every released.
What in the hell are you guys mumbling about?!
Pikmin 4 announcement brought me great joy!! (Even if I haven't yet played Pikmin 3)
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Fantastic news! I love the Pikmin series.
I still need to get Pikmin 3.
Oooh a new Pikmin. That could be cool. Pikmin 3 was noticeably a Wii game in a few spots. I'd love to see a new installment that was built for the Wii U (or more likely NX) from the ground up.
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Finally. I've been waiting my entire life for a Just Dance roller coaster.
You haven't addressed how there is no correlation between skill and ridiculous end of game comebacks in Turf War. Also, this is why it's like a penalty shootout, not like a spontaneous comeback. The last 20 seconds of a match is the only part of the match that matters. Every other part of the match, it literally doesn't matter what happens. That's not like a comeback. That's not like how football, or any reasonable sport is designed. The ranked matches are better in this regard, but suffer from similar design flaws.
Everything about the game is designed to appeal to children; I don't know why you'd even want to do deny that. I'm not criticising it for this. I won't repeat myself on this a second time (as we're literally disagreeing about semantics, who cares?) so here's an emoticon:
7.5 is actually too high. The .5 was based on the potential of its staying power, not what it actually deserves right now. It's a very good game, it's not even close to great. But if it remains very good for long enough, it might be close to being great in the context of online shooters. I use the full scale, so 7 is a really, really good score from me.
That's great about Pikmin 4. Glad its not going to be a 9 year wait like last time. Pikmin 3 is easily one of the best Wii U games.
Unless its a 3DS game.....that would piss me off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRVQVvV9dI8
Some great advice to Nintendo on what they should do with the NX, from AlphaOmegaSin. Sadly, I can see them ignoring 95% of this advice because its Nintendo....whereas Sony and Microsoft would do most of this.