gamingeek said:

I was going to do a thread asking this question. Has Survival horror become a niche? Is a low budget exercise outside of Resident Evil? What is going on?

With regards to Fatal Frame, Ju on and Silent hill, I guess the attraction was that you could use a virtual torch. The Cursed Mountain devs say that their concept was to do gestural prayers, they didn't bandwagon jump on wii, it suited their design concept.

I guess the survival horror games like Ju on and FF are japanese games and the Wii is the main platform there.

Survival horror I think has really only been niche.  Outside of Resident Evil  and Silent Hill there haven't been many big installments in the genre.  Parasite Eve, Fatal Frame,  Eternal Darkness and maybe Dino Crisis are the only other names I can think of and none of them are really big name games.  And really most of those game came out for the PS1 when the genre was invented by RE and everyone was jumping on the bandwagon.

Maybe niche is taking it too low, but it's never been a real big genre like fighting games, shooters, jRPG, etc.  But as far as so many of them coming to the Wii, I think it's mainly due to developers who are trying to put the focus back on horror and scare instead of a focus on action which is where it started to go last gen.  A lot of these devs are trying to think outside of the box, and that's where the Wii is actually be the strongest console.

Sorry, Micro$uck. I won't pay for online, not even one dollar.

gamingeek said:

SteelAttack said:

gamingeek said:

Cursed Mountain stuff.

How come the fucking Wii gets all these neat horror games and the other systems get a penis? Silent Hill, Fatal Frame 4, Cursed Mountain, Ju-On. All PS3 and 360 get is the craptacular Homecoming, which I haven't touched because of bad buzz. Of course I'm getting the ones that get western publishing, but I long for a proper horror game with the highest production values, like SH2 in its time.

I was going to do a thread asking this question. Has Survival horror become a niche? Is a low budget exercise outside of Resident Evil? What is going on?

With regards to Fatal Frame, Ju on and Silent hill, I guess the attraction was that you could use a virtual torch. The Cursed Mountain devs say that their concept was to do gestural prayers, they didn't bandwagon jump on wii, it suited their design concept.

I guess the survival horror games like Ju on and FF are japanese games and the Wii is the main platform there.

I would say yes it has. The only major horror franchise outside of RE is SH and that has been on a giant spiral downward since SH3. Fatal Frame, Clock Tower, Siren, etc were never major sellers, they were kind of niche. RE realized that their style of play was becoming more and more niche and so they changed it, thus RE lives on and is bigger than ever. New horror games like RE4 will survive, Dead Space did very well and I bet it will become the new SH in terms of being that other major horror franchise. The old horror games that don't change will have an audience but never a big one.

But the Wii does give them a chance to create something totally different, I think SH is heading in that direction. The problem is whether or not the audience is there for that type of game on the WIi.

Dvader said:

Where are you guys getting this weird info that the Wii version of Ghostbusters is getting better ratings than the 360/PS3. Its not, check metacritic.

Gamespot ranked it higher.  And thus far they're the only ones who've done a real version by version comparison, albiet through the forums.  And if you actually look at the Metacritic scores only 3 sources have reviewed the Wii version vs. 19 - 35 reviews on the HD versions, so its not really a fair call yet.

robio said:

Dvader said:

Where are you guys getting this weird info that the Wii version of Ghostbusters is getting better ratings than the 360/PS3. Its not, check metacritic.

Gamespot ranked it higher.  And thus far they're the only ones who've done a real version by version comparison, albiet through the forums.  And if you actually look at the Metacritic scores only 3 sources have reviewed the Wii version vs. 19 - 35 reviews on the HD versions, so its not really a fair call yet.

I did see that after posting, still generally it gets harder to keep a high score as more reviews come in, so lets see how it  goes. Both IGN (i think by 0.1, still higher ) and GI gave the HD versions higher scores. GS did not.

Dvader said:

BTW I will get that Blockbuster rental pass soon, so if I have time I will play both versions and be the real judge on the matter.

You like Sonic though.  I'm afraid we can't accept your judgement on anything.

Dvader said:

And no the wiimote wont work, you cant have analog stick steering the ship and the IR shooting, ... There is no use at all for aiming, the aiming is done by moving the ship. The only scheme that would work is the fake joystick which I feel is not good for this game, its not a flight sim like the X-Wing games, I dont play in first person view

 gamingeek said:

robio said:

Dvader said:

Where are you guys getting this weird info that the Wii version of Ghostbusters is getting better ratings than the 360/PS3. Its not, check metacritic.

Gamespot ranked it higher.  And thus far they're the only ones who've done a real version by version comparison, albiet through the forums.  And if you actually look at the Metacritic scores only 3 sources have reviewed the Wii version vs. 19 - 35 reviews on the HD versions, so its not really a fair call yet.

Scarily indicitive of the medias attitude towards covering wii games. Sometimes you cant even find reviews of multiplatform games. Other times it's irregular and random as to when they show up.  

Dvader said:

gamingeek said:

SteelAttack said:

gamingeek said:

Cursed Mountain stuff.

How come the fucking Wii gets all these neat horror games and the other systems get a penis? Silent Hill, Fatal Frame 4, Cursed Mountain, Ju-On. All PS3 and 360 get is the craptacular Homecoming, which I haven't touched because of bad buzz. Of course I'm getting the ones that get western publishing, but I long for a proper horror game with the highest production values, like SH2 in its time.

I was going to do a thread asking this question. Has Survival horror become a niche? Is a low budget exercise outside of Resident Evil? What is going on?

With regards to Fatal Frame, Ju on and Silent hill, I guess the attraction was that you could use a virtual torch. The Cursed Mountain devs say that their concept was to do gestural prayers, they didn't bandwagon jump on wii, it suited their design concept.

I guess the survival horror games like Ju on and FF are japanese games and the Wii is the main platform there.

I would say yes it has. The only major horror franchise outside of RE is SH and that has been on a giant spiral downward since SH3. Fatal Frame, Clock Tower, Siren, etc were never major sellers, they were kind of niche. RE realized that their style of play was becoming more and more niche and so they changed it, thus RE lives on and is bigger than ever. New horror games like RE4 will survive, Dead Space did very well and I bet it will become the new SH in terms of being that other major horror franchise. The old horror games that don't change will have an audience but never a big one.

But the Wii does give them a chance to create something totally different, I think SH is heading in that direction. The problem is whether or not the audience is there for that type of game on the WIi.

On the other consoles the problem is cost versus audience. They can't afford to put out massively expensive games that fail. Especially given the smaller devs and publishers that make some of these games.

Dvader said:

gamingeek said:

Rogue squadons 1 through 3 were on Nintendo platforms. Why take that away from them? Let's make MGS5 a PC exclusive next.

Cause Nintendo decided not to advance with the times, screw it. I want to see what Star Wars space battles can look like with actual tech. Rogue Squadron pushed the limits of graphics last gen, I want them to do it this gen as well.

And no the wiimote wont work, you cant have analog stick steering the ship and the IR shooting, the X-Wing does not have magic lasers that shoot in multiple directions. It shoots at a center point, ALWAYS. There is no use at all for aiming, the aiming is done by moving the ship. The only scheme that would work is the fake joystick which I feel is not good for this game, its not a flight sim like the X-Wing games, I dont play in first person view

Plus last gen we had Star Wars Starfighter, the Jedi Starfighter game, so its not like there were no flight combat games on the other consoles. And yes ONE Star Wars game 3 years into this generation is a seriously SW deprived  generation.

It is so pointless to put Rogue Squadron on the Wii, there is nothing else they could do with that game that they did not do on the GC. Its going to look and play exactly the same, they covered all the movies, they covered most of the planets. They did the outside the ship stuff which was horrible, so they need to stick with ship combat. New tech gives them a reason to revisit those classic scenes again. I know it is not going to happen which is sad, still my point stands that from a gamers perspective this game is totally pointless on the Wii.

Blah blah blah same old graphics whore view.

Sorry, will type out a proper response tommorrow, can't be jacked now. But I don't agree with the view that all games should be on the more powerful systems and that means that they will inherently be better.

You're making assumptions about the design as well. I will elaborate tommorrow.

SteelAttack said:

I own Siren Blood Curse, but have been too much of a pussy to advance beyond the second chapter. It's all kinds of amazing to me because I never played the first one. It's a current gen adapted remake. It's definitely recommendable, although DLing and installing separately each chapter can be a chore.

in europe, we get the whole thing as a normal boxed bluray game.  wouldn't have been able to get it otherwise as sony doesn't have the psn store set up for this country