I still think it would have been interesting if Nintendo came out with a $400 console named Nintendo Entertainment System HD, matched Sony's specs, and made the controller an updated Gamecube pad like this:

Foolz said:

I can't think of anything less interesting than there being two PS4s in the console race, one of which has a controller (albeit an excellent one) from over a decade ago.

Same here.

It's boring enough having two interchangeable consoles with just a handful of exclusive games each as an excuse.

edgecrusher said:

Well instead you got a PS3.5.....how is that better?

Uh, PS3.5 with a gamepad.*

Eventuallly...in under a year. They must have been shitting bricks for awhile there.

From Software "No thought" into next-gen Dark Souls II

Disappointing to say the least. I'm going to get pissed if I have to keep buying many more PS3 games while I steer at my PS4.

Dvader said:

I like that you are keeping calm here but in an earlier post I think you are deflecting blame as Iwata did. This is almost all on Nintendo. They do not understand the market anymore and the Wii U was mostly a bad idea from the start, I think everyone knew that.

Agreed

Dvader said:

I see a big difference between the Wii and Wii U, yes the Wii was a crazy idea but it was total new. It was something we had never seen before, that alone gave it a sense of anything can happen. I don't think anyone predicted the success they had but I don't think many outside the usual haters thought it would be a major failure. It seemed like a good idea at the time, a bold one but good one.

Again agreed

Dvader said:

Wii U never felt new, its main gimmick was a poor touch screen, something everyone was already familiar with. The message of what this console was from the start has been cloudy. The general public has no clue what it is. From the start it always seemed like a bad idea, the opposite of the wii.

Well the streaming tech was new. But agreed that it was a poor hook. Difficult to explain to the public.

Dvader said:

Now the 3DS I admit I was wrong, I thought that would be an absolute major success. Oh well, but the Wii U, man the writing was on the wall already, it didn't have IT, that thing that grabbed everyones attention. I do see what you are saying on that last sentence, Nintendo felt they could make successors to their two best selling machines and tada it would repeat but that was short sighted. Especially with the wii since for 2 years the bubble already burst, it wasnt like the wii craze died down right when the Wii U hit, it was over and done for years, how could nintendo not see that.

You memory is failing you about the 3ds. Yes we all thought it would be a success at its first showing, but then more information like the battery life, the prize and the launch games came to surface. The hype died down pretty quickly after that. Nintendo really got cocky with the 3ds. It it was a huge failure in the beginning. Many 3rd party's were cancelling their games because of poor sales. Just like we have now with the Wii-U. The DS was outselling it! But then Nintendo took drastic measure. It will not reach DS numbers, but it improved significantly. Can they do the same with the U? I think if they go all out they might get 20 million sold when all is said and done. But yeah, it is a pretty big failure.

And the Wii buble did not burst. Nintendo stopped making Wii games after 2010. Heck games like Just Dance still sold well after the supposed bubble burst. The casual market that Nintendo captured with the Wii did not move to the smartphones. The Wii was a party console, where the family plays games together. An experience that is just not possible with smartphones or tablets.

I still think that a Wii 2 would have done so much better. Just make the Wii more powerful and get more accurate wiimotes and be done with it! Easier to market too!

Dvader said:

I know Nintendo has had its ups and downs and I do honestly feel like they will regroup in the end. That said it can't be stated enough that Nintendo has never seen anything like this before. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE the level of sales the Wii U is at. This is not like anything they faced before. This is not GC, this is not even Dreamcast. This is historically bad, every console with sales like this has died well before its time should have come.

Yes and before that the Gamecube was historically bad. And before that the N64 and before that the SNES. And the U is in much better position than the Dreamcast. Again stop comparing Nintendo to Sega!

edgecrusher said:

Good point. But at the same time, with Nintendo consoles constantly dying out years before they get replaced (which even the ultra popular Wii did ) there's many people out there who consider that to be just as bad as releasing a new console early. If they ride Wii U out until the end of 2017 with nothing but a small trickle of 1st party games, its going to be tough for people to get excited about buying another Nintendo console.

It gives them time. Time to do proper market research and make a console that people actually want!

edgecrusher said:

Foolz said:

edgecrusher said:

Well instead you got a PS3.5.....how is that better?

Uh, PS3.5 with a gamepad.*

Fair enough, but that's what is also going to lead it into being a niche console...fancy expensive controller (that isn't always ideal) with a slightly underpowered console. A more powerful console with a Gamecube like controller would have given them more leeway.

Nintendo's greatest strength is also their greatest weakness. Look at it this way. You are a 3rd party developer. You have two almost identical consoles. One is from Nintendo the other is from Sony. On nintendo's console you have competition from Nintendo's first party software. On Sony side you have nothing like that. Nintendo will always have this. At best they can hope that games will be ported over, but since the GC days developers did not believe their games would sell in Nintendo's ecosystem! It is an uphill battle. Do something wrong and they go back to Sony and Microsoft.

Ravenprose said:

I think Iwata just kill the Wii U now, and then shift all of their games over to the PS4. They should also buy every person that bought a Wii U a free PS4, or a voucher for $400 in free Nintendo games for those of us that already own a PS4.

You want Pachter's job?!

Ravenprose said:

Iga_Bobovic said:

You want Pachter's job?!

I'd be far better at it.

Yes, saying idiotic things comes naturally for you!