gamingeek said:

You know Edgeworth is a pretty good game, better than 4 I would say. But playing that last case in PW3 brought home the emotional investment that's there in those games. Edgeworth really doesn't have the emotional ties to the cases, which in the end means that they don't pack that punch.

It's not really fair to compare the two. That final case in PW3 was built up over the course of 3 games.  They brought in special guest stars and everything. It's something that could never have been duplicated in just one game.  I think if given time and a few sequels you could get the same reaction out of an Edgeworth game.  

So this is the internet speed I have to put up with today. And it's been like this at a relative's house for weeks now.

WTF is this?

They were suppossed to be UPgrading to 10mb a second, it used to be 2mb. I can't even read these figures, it's like 0.24 mbs? It feels like its only slightly above 56k at the moment.

robio said:

gamingeek said:

You know Edgeworth is a pretty good game, better than 4 I would say. But playing that last case in PW3 brought home the emotional investment that's there in those games. Edgeworth really doesn't have the emotional ties to the cases, which in the end means that they don't pack that punch.

It's not really fair to compare the two. That final case in PW3 was built up over the course of 3 games.  They brought in special guest stars and everything. It's something that could never have been duplicated in just one game.  I think if given time and a few sequels you could get the same reaction out of an Edgeworth game.  

But in other games there was usually a tie to phoenix or one of his friends. Like Mia dying, or Maya getting kidnapped. Edgeworth just sort of does his job. If it weren't for Kay there wouldn't be any personal motive there.

Archangel3371 said:

phantom_leo said:

What?! How dare he. What you need is some moisture applied to the burn. Here, allow me.

I think he was expecting an ointment, not your saliva.

PSP 'a bollocking useless waste of space' - Codi What the?! Edge says something we can all agree on!?

Who edited this?

gamingeek said:

robio said:

gamingeek said:

You know Edgeworth is a pretty good game, better than 4 I would say. But playing that last case in PW3 brought home the emotional investment that's there in those games. Edgeworth really doesn't have the emotional ties to the cases, which in the end means that they don't pack that punch.

It's not really fair to compare the two. That final case in PW3 was built up over the course of 3 games.  They brought in special guest stars and everything. It's something that could never have been duplicated in just one game.  I think if given time and a few sequels you could get the same reaction out of an Edgeworth game.  

But in other games there was usually a tie to phoenix or one of his friends. Like Mia dying, or Maya getting kidnapped. Edgeworth just sort of does his job. If it weren't for Kay there wouldn't be any personal motive there.

Just because Edgeworth didn't have an emotional investment doesn't mean the player doesn't, which is still ultimately what you connect with.  And this game still had that with the Yatagarasu saga that played out.  Like I said, I don't think it's fair to compare the last chapter of PW3 with this game.  I think the final chapter of this game was on par with the last chapter of PW1 when Edgeworth was on trial, and actually better than PW2 when Maya was kidnapped (which frankly was kind of lame).

robio said:

gamingeek said:

robio said:

gamingeek said:

You know Edgeworth is a pretty good game, better than 4 I would say. But playing that last case in PW3 brought home the emotional investment that's there in those games. Edgeworth really doesn't have the emotional ties to the cases, which in the end means that they don't pack that punch.

It's not really fair to compare the two. That final case in PW3 was built up over the course of 3 games.  They brought in special guest stars and everything. It's something that could never have been duplicated in just one game.  I think if given time and a few sequels you could get the same reaction out of an Edgeworth game.  

But in other games there was usually a tie to phoenix or one of his friends. Like Mia dying, or Maya getting kidnapped. Edgeworth just sort of does his job. If it weren't for Kay there wouldn't be any personal motive there.

Just because Edgeworth didn't have an emotional investment doesn't mean the player doesn't, which is still ultimately what you connect with.  And this game still had that with the Yatagarasu saga that played out.  Like I said, I don't think it's fair to compare the last chapter of PW3 with this game.  I think the final chapter of this game was on par with the last chapter of PW1 when Edgeworth was on trial, and actually better than PW2 when Maya was kidnapped (which frankly was kind of lame).

I disagree and I'm not just comparing it with the final case in PW3 but the other 4 games as a whole. When I play, I am Phoenix wright, the characters are talking in the first person to me and the people I care about are at stake and in direct danger.

Edgeworth is like an impartial observer and Kay is too chipper to care about, I mean does she even care about what happened? You wouldn't know it from all the fist pumping and grinning.

And I'm not digging the last case of Miles Edgeworth either, its okay but it has too many false endings and one more go - testimonies and rebuttals. Lang is annoying too, just give it up already, it's like verbally sparing with some people here.

I liked the 3rd and 4th cases more. 2nd was fun, first is kinda useless but that's par for the course. It's a good game and I really like the new gameplay system and viewpoint, it just needs more emotional impact and actual drama. Like what happened to Terry Fawles.

gamingeek said:

edgecrusher said:

SteelAttack said:

Aaaand it's finished. Clunky combat, but challenging platforming. Final boss wasn't even a boss. Bleh.

Yeah I'm a big fan of the revived Tomb Raider series, but they definitely still feel like they're not as good as they could be. They still don't match the magic of the first 2 games.

I think they try to make the games too "hollywood" in a way. Instead of focusing on what made it special in the first place.

What made it special in the first place?

Honestly, I think it was the cutting edge 3D worlds. There was almost nothing like it. It was one of the first true action adventure 3D titles that took place in large open environments. Plus they had excellent puzzles, took you to some incredible locations. They were long, challenging, memorable, unlike the games of now.

edgecrusher said:

I have a hard time believing FF 13 is better than Lost Odyssey, as LO was in many ways a new FF game without the name. Hell, I think it was the most FF-like game since FF10, and better in most ways honestly. Yet that game got plenty of crap reviews since its cool to hate on "j-rpg's" nowadays, so what's surprising about FF13 getting some odd reviews too?

I'm sure its still averaging well above Lost Odyssey's scores.

I need to try Lost Odyssey but am I wrong to say it stays very traditional. FFXIII throws out so much and makes a game for the ADD generation, for fans of large open worlds and side quests and stuff it sucks. I do miss that but what they did with the combat is excellent, feels like almost like an action game, well an action game with menus.