aspro said:

Foolz said:

I really don't see why devs complain consider they don't bother promoting their Wii games as well as they promote their 360/PS3 games. If they don't then they shouldn't expect them to sell as well.

Isn't mostly Wii exclusives that devs/ pubs bitch about failure?

Ravenprose said:

Crimson Skies is the best flying game since Pilotwings 64.

It really was special. The music made all the difference, but the graphics were also some of the nicest to be seen in the 6th generation. The writing and voice acting was above average too. Ahh...

On Natal: "We're treating this like the launch of a new console," he told Develop." If ever there was a use for a sound out-take of Led Zeppelin's "Dream On" this is it. If I worked at Microsoft on the Natal project, either in a marketing or developing capacity, all I am doing is saving the hell out of every check I make (as well as moving to basic cable and canceling my newspaper).

Yes, and it's often their fault IMO.

And yes in regards to Crimson Skys. Great game.

Archangel3371 said:

gamingeek said:

Well if you didn't buy CRAP like Lost Winds 2 then you would have those games. OH SNAP!

I'm just messing with GG.

I would take it as a joke, if it weren't for the thin layer of blood now covering my eyes.

ASK_Story said:

The Wii finally gets a GREAT aviation game!

THIS LOOKS AWESOME!!!

I'm a HUGE aviator fan and this game looks great! It's from the same guys who made the Ace Combat series so you know it'll be good because these guys know how to do flight games!

Also, I prefer arcade over sims and this game is more arcadey with anime cinematic story telling. It's based on a novel in Japan and a anime movie based on the book.

And the best part...this game is only $29.99!

Anyway, here's the first IGN review, a 8.

You really like your Japanese games eh?  

If it has a cheap launch price in Europe I would try it out. But I'm not into the world it looks like they are trying to present. If it was Star wars like or Crimson skies, sure.

aspro said:

uh oh:

Similarly, Japanese publisher Marvelous Entertainment focused heavily on Wii and PSP releases in 2009, but the company found a considerable difference in its success on the two platforms. Four out of its five PSP games in its first fiscal half were profitable while three of its four Wii games during the same period lost money.

That's from a couple of months back. Marvelous already said its because making a wii game costs a lot more than making a PSP game (hence profitability varies). Also note that portables are more popular in Japan, with PSP regularly outselling all home systems including Wii.

So this is no suprise. Marvelous is also the very definition of a niche developer. It's games like Muramasa would fare no better as a PS3 exclusive on disc. No More Heroes sold like 330'000 copies worldwide, yet its Suda's best selling game ever and seen as a success by Marvelous, enough to warrant a sequel and a port of the first game too. Success is measured differently across expectations, but anyone expecting games like Arc Rise Fantasia or Valhalla Knights to sell because they are on Wii or Wii exclusive are kidding themselves.

aspro said:

Foolz said:

I really don't see why devs complain consider they don't bother promoting their Wii games as well as they promote their 360/PS3 games. If they don't then they shouldn't expect them to sell as well.

Isn't mostly Wii exclusives that devs/ pubs bitch about failure?

Yeah and they still don't promote them as much. I see adverts on TV all the time for games like Assasins Creed 2, or Darksiders, or even Uncharted 2. The only adverts for Wii games I see are Nintendo advertising their own games. If publishers really want to test things they need to put the same marketing budget behind a similar quality and budgeted game and see where it leads. Slipping a game through the back door onto the back shelf of a game shop with no advertising is like the worst way of doing things ever.

Look at Activision with Modern Warfare 2 vs MW REFLEX on Wii. Both released on the same day, the Wii game had 5 assey looking screens released from announcement to release. Not one proper hands on preview, no video, no interviews, no new screens, no adverts, nothing. They buried it.

Iga_Bobovic said:

Foolz said:

Yes, and it's often their fault IMO.

No, it is always there fault. FACT

The job of a company is to do market research and make a product that the customer wants. If the product does not sell, you the producer made a mistake. Maybe your market research was wrong, maybe it is marketing or perhaps your product just plain sucks. You never blame a competitor and you certainly never blame the customers.

Third parties are, they are blaming their competitors, they are blaming the customer. Third parties are acting like babies. Grown up and shut the fuck up. Nintendo does not own you anything, the customers do not own you anything.

Sounds harsh but the root of what you are saying is true. It's not the responsibility of consumers to buy your game, publishers have to (make you want) their game either by making a game of astounding quality or by using savvy marketing to make you want it.

If you compare gaming to the movie market, essentially it would be like Paramount and Universal putting out indie films and expecting them to sell as many tickets as Transformers 2, or Avatar.

I was just reading a sales thread, it turns out that Conduit has sold more than:

Chronicles of Riddick Dark Athena on 360

Clive Barkers Jericho on 360

Prey on 360

Timeshift on PS3

Call of Juarez on 360

Wolfenstein on 360

So why is there this double standard? Why is everyone lamenting the sales of the Conduit, a mediocre FPS? Why is it that this game is expected to sell millions to be a success while these games go under the radar and no one complains about their sales or blames the platforms?

I'll tell you one thing, considering the cost of developing the Conduit on Wii to these games with HD assets, Conduit would have been a lot more profitable.

gamingeek said:

Here's another great example of 3rd parties and wii

Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands - dev house breakdown

Wondering what branches of Ubisoft are working on the multiple versions of Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands? The information below is just what you were looking for!

Ubisoft

Quebec City - Wii, PSP
Casablanca - DS
Singapore/Montreal - PS3, 360, PC

So Ubi Montreal the good team (Assasins Creed/Prince of Persia makers) are making the proper game with a game so big Singapore has to do asset and art backup work.

Meanwhile Quebec have only made portable games, terribles ones too. List here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubisoft_Quebec

Games Developed

Game	Year of release	Platforms
Rainbow Six: Critical Hour	2006	Xbox
Open Season	2006	PSP
Rainbow Six: Vegas	2007	PSP
TMNT	2007	DS
Cranium: Kabookii	2007	Wii
Surf's Up	2007	PSP, GBA, DS
Battle of Giants: Dinosaurs	2008	DS
My Stop Smoking Coach with Allen Carr[1]	2008	DS
Battle of Giants: Dragons	2009	DS

Their only home console games so far being Cranium Kabooki on Wii and Rainbow 6 Critical Hour on Xbox.

gamingeek said:

Archangel3371 said:

gamingeek said:

Well that makes sense. Of course you're going to have your best team work on the more costly and more technically demanding version.

Yeah and so no one should be suprised when the Wii version ends up like a ripe turd and sells badly.

But this means that I dont want to be seeing analysts and idiotic marketing execs making retarded statements on industry websites. Nor do I want to see gaming website reporting the news of said poor sales overzealously.

 I have a better question. Why the hell is Ubi still making Prince of Persia's?  The last on sold badly, the trilogy before that did not sell well at all either. So why do they still keep making them?

gamingeek said:

 

Iga_Bobovic said:

Foolz said:

Yes, and it's often their fault IMO.

No, it is always there fault. FACT

The job of a company is to do market research and make a product that the customer wants. If the product does not sell, you the producer made a mistake. Maybe your market research was wrong, maybe it is marketing or perhaps your product just plain sucks. You never blame a competitor and you certainly never blame the customers.

Third parties are, they are blaming their competitors, they are blaming the customer. Third parties are acting like babies. Grown up and shut the fuck up. Nintendo does not own you anything, the customers do not own you anything.

Sounds harsh but the root of what you are saying is true. It's not the responsibility of consumers to buy your game, publishers have to (make you want) their game either by making a game of astounding quality or by using savvy marketing to make you want it.

If you compare gaming to the movie market, essentially it would be like Paramount and Universal putting out indie films and expecting them to sell as many tickets as Transformers 2, or Avatar.

 Hash but fair. If they can't deal with the pressure they can always clean toilets for a living.

Iga_Bobovic said:

Guys check this out

"Games Industry Death Watch 2009"

click the link

that is a big list

"Unfortunately, Metroid Prime Trilogy is no longer being shipped. Having said that, you may be able to find what you seek through the secondhand video game market."

Dvader said:

That top 15 Zelda song list was a mess. #1 is forever the main theme.

Your face is a mess. Song of Healing FTW!