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Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:47:47
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They merged with Enix and went down the shitter sideways.

Now all they seem to be able to make in quality form are Final Fantasy games, and I'm even worried about FF13. This makes Edge depressed. End.

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Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:01:16
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They merged with Enix and went down the shitter sideways.

Now all they seem to be able to make in quality form are Final Fantasy games, and I'm even worried about FF13. This makes Edge depressed. End.

Pretty much that.

Because of the failure that was the Final Fantasy movie, they needed to merge with Enix. Now all they do is release stuff that is guranteed to make them money, with the odd non-DQ or FF game or remake. But everything they do is now a fucking RPG, or is so niche that it doesn't get released outside of Japan.

Mid to late 90's Square was AWESOME. It makes me sad now that they're just the FF/DQ house.

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Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:29:24
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Yeah but then they've been making original games lately like Infinite Undiscovery and Last Remnant...and they're all mediocre!

This is what I'm saying....where did their non-FF quality go? I have no problem with them making mostly RPG, as they used to be great at it. But now they just can't seem to make wine out of grapes. Its sad.

IGN has a story on it actually, and I pretty much agree with what they say.

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Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:29:22
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Well there is one.....

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Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:23:34
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Square has always sucked. I'm surprised that people are only noticing that now. The last good game they released was Rad Racer on NES. Happy

(note: I hate JRPGS)

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Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:10:56
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Also don't care for most RPG's, so I didn't really start considering Square good (with exceptions like Super Mario RPG, Chrono Trigger, FFVI) until they started churning out the Kingdom Hearts games, and hopefully the simular Final Fantasy Versus XIII.
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Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:33:29
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A better question would be, where the fuck did their FF quality go?

To the DS.

Okay fair enough.

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Thu, 27 Nov 2008 05:52:24
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Well there is one.....

NOT DEVELOPED BY SQUARE.

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Iga_Bobovic said:

Well there is one.....

NOT DEVELOPED BY SQUARE.

WIKIPEDIA SAYS IT IS DEVELOPED BY SQUARE ENIX'S KINGDOM HEARTS TEAM AND JUPITER!

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Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:05:08

GUYS, WHY ARE WE YELLING?

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Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:09:31
Iga_Bobovic said:
darthhomer said:
Iga_Bobovic said:

Well there is one.....

NOT DEVELOPED BY SQUARE.

WIKIPEDIA SAYS IT IS DEVELOPED BY SQUARE ENIX'S KINGDOM HEARTS TEAM AND JUPITER!

YOU ACTUALLY TRUST WIKIPEDIA? GASP Nyaa

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Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:18:58
Foolz said:

GUYS, WHY ARE WE YELLING?

BECAUSE WE ARE SO FAR AWAY FROM EACH OTHER!

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Iga_Bobovic said:
darthhomer said:
Iga_Bobovic said:

Well there is one.....

NOT DEVELOPED BY SQUARE.

WIKIPEDIA SAYS IT IS DEVELOPED BY SQUARE ENIX'S KINGDOM HEARTS TEAM AND JUPITER!

YOU ACTUALLY TRUST WIKIPEDIA? GASPNyaa

THEY ARE ACCURATE WHEN IT COMES TO VIDEOGAME STUFF!

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Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:57:10

The World Ends With You is actually sooo good that it singlehandedly disproves this whole theory.

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Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:40:07

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Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:05:48
I'm not a big SE fan or rpg fan. If I owned a PS2 I probably would be. But I would probably say most of their good output as of late has been handheld focused. I think that SE haven't really coped that well with losing Sakaguchi or the next gen transition and massive resources and time that must now be dedicated to making massive, long rpgs.

This is why I expected them to go all out on the most popular platform that had the most similar structure to the PS2, which they have a wealth of experience on.

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Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:35:31
Japan - The seismic effects of market shifts and economic gloom in combination with a rather short release list have made a significant impact for Square Enix. In 2007, eighteen releases spread across five systems (DS, PSP, PS2, Wii, 360) added up to a shockingly huge 4.5 million units sold.


In contrast, Square Enix's 2008 effort of ten releases across four systems (DS, PSP, Wii, 360) resulted in a far lesser 1.7 million units sold.* This is a 2.8 million unit difference and is a eye-popping 62.48% decline from 2007.


2007___________________________________________________
[PSP] Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII - 729,459
[NDS] Dragon Quest IV - 601,737
[NDS] Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings - 500,543
[WII] Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors - 453,445
[NDS] Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Ring of Fate - 363,030
[NDS] Itadaki Street DS - 361,558
[PS2] Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix+ - 301,830
[PSP] Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions - 282,770
[NDS] Final Fantasy Tactics A2: The Sealed Grimoire - 259,364
[NDS] Subarashiki Kono Sekai: It's a Wonderful World - 171,629
[PSP] Final Fantasy Anniversary Edition - 117,689
[PS2] Final Fantasy XII International Zodiac Job System - 104,287
[NDS] Heroes of Mana - 82,865
[PS2] Final Fantasy XI: Wings of the Goddess expansion data disk - 82,597
[PSP] Final Fantasy II Anniversary Edition - 45,627
[NDS] Front Mission - 17,715
[360] Final Fantasy XI: Wings of the Goddess expansion data disk - 12,927
[360] Final Fantasy XI: Vana'diel Collection - 3,212
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18 TITLES THROUGH 11-19-07, TOTAL: 4,492,284



2008___________________________________________________
[NDS] Dragon Quest V - 1,152,229
[PSP] Star Ocean: Second Evolution - 141,218
[NDS] Valkyrie Profile: The Accused One - 118,374
[360] Infinite Undiscovery - 96,197
[NDS] Cid and Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon: The Labyrinth of Lost Time DS+ - 46,362
[NDS] Sigma Harmonics - 42,552
[NDS] Nanashi no Game (The Game with no Name) - 41,481
[NDS] Front Mission 2089: Border of Madness - 32,917
[WII] Soul Eater: Monotone Princess - 8,198
[NDS] DS Bookkeeping, Level 3 - 6,044
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10 TITLES THROUGH 11-19-08, TOTAL: 1,685,572

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Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:14:23

Squaresoft died after Final Fantasy X. Seriously the only thing of quailty that was first party developed was "The World Ends With You". And what's ridiculous is that was those directors FIRST GAME EVER. Seriously why the fuck weren't they making games like I don't know 6 years ago? And no I don NOT count Final Fantasy XII. Just because it was "different" doesn't mean it was good. I see it much like Windwaker, a great and interesting idea that needed more R & D time. That said I am very dissapointed that Atlus hasn't picked up from them. I mean the Megaten series is prime and they even have the balls to fund games like "Odin Sphere" and take chances with games like Persona 3. If I were them I'd seriously try and expand before Level 5 gets on that shit.

darthhomer said:
Iga_Bobovic said:

Well there is one.....

NOT DEVELOPED BY SQUARE.

Actually it was. Square did most of the work Jupiter just gave input and helping out a bit. But according to an interview I read before Square gave most of the word.

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Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:24:23
I thought Final Fantasy XII was great same with Kingdom Hearts 2. I don't know what it is with Square-Enix but outside of their mainline Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest games it's very much hit or miss. It's like they put on third rate teams of trainees on these other projects. I can understand the technical difficulties on The Last Remnant due to perhaps some trouble working with the Unreal Engine 3 but from the sounds of it the main battle mechanics of the game sound really flawed and just sort of half-assed into the game. I'm still very confident that Final Fantasy XIII will be stellar though.

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Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:30:22
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I thought Final Fantasy XII was great same with Kingdom Hearts 2. I don't know what it is with Square-Enix but outside of their mainline Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest games it's very much hit or miss. It's like they put on third rate teams of trainees on these other projects. I can understand the technical difficulties on The Last Remnant due to perhaps some trouble working with the Unreal Engine 3 but from the sounds of it the main battle mechanics of the game sound really flawed and just sort of half-assed into the game. I'm still very confident that Final Fantasy XIII will be stellar though.

Please explain.

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Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:46:07

Can somebody pleae tell me how Kingdom Hearts is good? I've played The first and the GBA spin-off and can't figure it out. The first is easily the worst 3D RPG I've ever played and the GBA game is beyond boring and repetitive, and from what I've heard the 2nd is WORSE then the 1st.

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Yeah but then they've been making original games lately like Infinite Undiscovery and Last Remnant...and they're all mediocre!

This is what I'm saying....where did their non-FF quality go? I have no problem with them making mostly RPG, as they used to be great at it. But now they just can't seem to make wine out of grapes. Its sad.

IGN has a story on it actually, and I pretty much agree with what they say.

The majority of people that made Square good in the first place are gone (hence why Lost Odyessy is the best JRPG and arguably RPG this generation because the people that made the game use to work with Square). Even a large chunk of their import publishing side left (they formed XSEED). And like most Japanese developers Square-Enix isn't promoting new blooded talent to work on new games with the exception of TWEWY (did I mention that the 3 directors of that game had been with Square for 10 years or near that?).

Also could you please post a link to the IGN story because I can't find it. Sad

Edited: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:13:52

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