Dvader said:

Yeah the ninja game on nintendoland does this. You hold it vertical so the end of the pad is facing the TV. There is no sensor there but the aiming is PERFECT. Its not like SS where it feels slow and sluggish cause it is not using IR. This was as good as IR, it had me scratching my head.

Sounds great. But I hear the resistive  touch screen makes the finger flicking not that responsive. Glad to hear the tracking tech is good though. I want to aim with motion tracking in FPS but not give up the touch screen.

Dvader said:

Xbox was HD, Wii was not. THE END.

Dvader said:

This. They look great but nothing special.

THIS

Dvader said:

Their best looking games MP3, Galaxy and Zelda I dont think look much better than NG or even RE4.

The point  I was making was that you have not seen the best Wii graphics. What is the point of you saying that (insert Wii game) does not look much better than (X) when that is my whole point, that you have not seen the best Wii graphics.

Nintendo do not push graphics. Rare did better N64 graphics, Retro and Factor 5, even Amusement Vision did better on Cube as did Production Studio 4. What if Criterion or Factor 5 or Production Studio 4 at their peak and at full manpower or budget had made a wii game? I already said that you would have to drop MP3's frame rate to 30 and pack in more detail, same goes for Mario Galaxy. I already posted Eggrebrecht telling you that everything acheivable on Xbox could be done on GC with the TEV, not to mention that the GC could pus more polys.

And if you read the rest of the interview he says you can do far more on Wii, even acheiving the same as their PS3 engine. This isn't me making up stuff, this is hard info from someone who has developed on GC, PS3 and Wii and is generally considered to be a technical master on GC level hardware.

Like I said you have not seen the best visuals possible on Wii because no one has pushed it that far. Even the best example is 60 FPS. There is a reason 60 FPS COD does not look as good as 30 FPS Gears of War or whatever. You drop the 60 FPS requirement and you free up resources to make better looking games.

Not to mention you're ignoring the screenshots and technical info and interviews I have posted and you are relying on nostalgic memories.

This?

Looks so good? And WTF is that thing with the animal butt!!

If it wasn't for the overall polish and framerate in the game you could say it looks about on par with that Wii Tenchu game. And as someone who only played their Wii on an HDTV like Edgecrusher you are not in the greatest position to judge Wii's graphics. HDTVs scaling variations mean the picture can look in a minor way worse, or majorly worse. Either way it's worse. Take your PS3 or 360 and play a 720p game on one of these 4K resolution TVs and you will see the same kind of thing, a worse picture due to a resolution miss match and scaling. In fact do yourself a favour and hook your Xbox or GC/PS2 to your HDTV and take a looksie. And no Xbox 1 running a bare handful of technically limited games in HD is nothing to crow about.

edgecrusher said:

That was my whole point in the 1st place, that Nintendo shouldn't have even bothered making the Wii any more powerful than the Cube or Xbox if they weren't going to go for HD quality as the jump is so small its pointless. Its like they just did it for PR reasons...so they could say the Wii was TECHNICALLY more powerful than the 3 last-gen consoles. Even though the jump was so small nobody would ever care.

My mind is full of fuck. You seem to imagine gaming companies like they are this bunch:

Locked in a bedroom for 5 days trying to think up a new console. I've already explained why Wii is made and priced how it is, from the inception the plan was to make a radically different $99 console. They failed in the cost, but the plan hampered everything they did thereafter.

Minor differences? Did you even see the screens?

Minor differences?

Minor differences?

Minor differences?

Minor differences?

Minor differences? These are the Xbox's best looking games bro.

Dvader said:

This is the ultimate point.

That's not the ultimate point because it wasn't even the point we were discussing. The point is that Wii graphics are not below Xbox and it is capable of more. I have linked plenty of information stating why. Don't ignore it. That is where this discussion began. Edgecrushers usual Wii launch price bitching Just messing bros!

Dvader said:

I believe the Wii U will have the same issue as well. The specs show things that it can do better than 360/PS3 but an entire gen will come around and we will see games that look on par with one or two standouts that maybe you can make an argument looks better.

On this point I agree.

Dvader said:

The same excuse can be given that no one used the wii U to its full potential but at some point you have to realize it is the hardware.

It's not an excuse if it's true. I have linked plenty of information stating why. Don't ignore it. And yes, the same thing will happen with Wii U. Everyone will move onto better hardware and Wii U will be caught in an awkward position, agreed.

Dvader said:

The Wii has come and gone and I never once thought of it as a system with better graphics than Xbox, on par yes but not better.

FFS

Dvader said:

If the Wii had a full library of HD games even though the games on a technical level were about the same they would all look better than last gen since it could do something the other consoles did not, but they couldnt even commit to that.

Agreed.

Dvader said:

Yeah the Wii probably had slightly more power than an xbox but I still dont buy that no company not even Nintendo took full advantage of the console. Their best looking games MP3, Galaxy and Zelda I dont think look much better than NG or even RE4. They look exactly like they could fit right into an Xbox or GC lineup. There is no distinction, you strip away all the names and associations and simply put graphic comparisons up and ask someone to pick out which are Xbox and which are Wii games they cant tell.

You are not making any sense. The Wii is slightly more powerful than the Xbox is correct, but would that mean that the game will only look slightly better graphically? So what are you babling about? The reason why you can't see much difference is because the power difference is not that much.

And Mario Galaxy runs at twice the frame rate of RE4, so the difference is significant.

Dvader said:

This is the ultimate point.

Perhaps, but your original point was that no Wii game look better than a Xbox game.

edgecrusher said:

But at least in the case of the Wii U it will be around for at least a year before any other consoles that are more powerful show up, instead of actually releasing AFTER more powerful machines. I'm still waiting to see just how powerful the other machines are as well.

Also in Wii U's advantage is just that no matter what it will be at least somewhat on par being a modern HD console with at least decent online. It will NEVER seem as dated as the Wii. The Wii felt dated on day 1, honestly. Look how long 360 has been around without feeling dated?

True, still wondering how powerful the other consoles will be. Is Sony really going all out again?  

baby got balls.

SteelAttack said:

The fuck is going on around here?

Not sure.

Archangel3371 said:

A whole lot of blah, blah, blah.

Meh.

GodModeEnabled said:

SteelAttack said:

The fuck is going on around here?

Something about hot animal butt. Er I mean ...gross animal butt. Yes. Gross. *cough*

So nice to have Iga on, so how have you been? Saw the GSP fight, that was one hell of a match.

Dvader said:

So nice to have Iga on, so how have you been?

I've been around

Dvader said:

Saw the GSP fight, that was one hell of a match.

Nope, did not see it.

Foolz so you believe MP3 is the best looking game of the entire PS2/Xbox era, including Wii in that era since its the same tech. Its a beautiful game but I still think games like RE4 look better. Its not about framerate or a bunch of technical crap, I just look at the two and RE4 is more impressive to me.

Dvader said:

Foolz so you believe MP3 is the best looking game of the entire PS2/Xbox era, including Wii in that era since its the same tech. Its a beautiful game but I still think games like RE4 look better. Its not about framerate or a bunch of technical crap, I just look at the two and RE4 is more impressive to me.

Okay, well I meant technicaly, so fair enough if you just mean overall.

In that case, as I said, SMG>>>any game this generation by a country mile.

P.S.

Edge is still a cracker with a crackwhore mother, though.

Damn, the flu is tearing its way through my family. My mom got sick last Saturday, then my sister got it Tuesday morning, and then my dad today. So far, I'm fine. Oh, and I was the only one who got a flu shot this year. Everyone else said,  "We don't need no stupid flu shot because we don't get sick!"