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bugsonglass said:

edgecrusher said:

bugsonglass said:

Took a bunch of photos when I was in Duesseldorf for three days in March.  Mostly of the suspension bridges, the barges, the cranes, and the com tower ... Took loads of photos of the com tower ... I think it's a mind-controlling alien base.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bugsonglass/

You're not planning any kind of fucking attacks, are you?

I don't know buddy.  I haven't felt quite ... myself lately.  And i've had these terrible terrible headaches.  And vomitting ... lots of vomitting

I'm not buyin' this new story about the Nintendo console not even being on the same level as 360. Wasn't it originally announced a long time ago as being based on the Radeon 4800 series cards? Those cards are well beyond the 360's GPU. Somebody is full of shit one way or another.

robio said:

edgecrusher said:

I'm not buyin' this new story about the Nintendo console not even being on the same level as 360. Wasn't it originally announced a long time ago as being based on the Radeon 4800 series cards? Those cards are well beyond the 360's GPU. Somebody is full of shit one way or another.

But would you believe it that the Wii U can make cotton candy?

Hell fucking yes my Robinean friend. Super Mario Universe will dispense the shit as Mario jumps for Stars!

robio said:

Wii U Less powerful than 360 or PS3?

Why is this shit even reported? If a developer isn't going to speak up on record every single report is just garbage. You know we could start publishing our own news if we just wrote stuff like this. Screw posting other websites news, we can do it.

TheVGPress.com Exclusive - "Dozens of Wii U developers say the Wii U isn't as powerful as the current gen HD consoles, but does make cotton candy."

This sounds like ass if it's true:

Speaking to GamesIndustry.biz under the condition of anonymity, one source said to be familiar with the hardware commented: "No, it's not up to the same level as the PS3 or the 360. The graphics are just not as powerful."



Another developer agreed: "Yeah, that's true. It doesn't produce graphics as well as the PS3 or the 360. There aren't as many shaders, it's not as capable. Sure, some things are better, mostly as a result of it being a more modern design. But overall the Wii U just can't quite keep up."


The article suggests Nintendo has been hampered to a degree by the cost of producing Wii U's tablet controller, meaning it's had to scale back on the capability of the console's GPU, CPU, RAM and other components in order to keep the final retail price low enough.


With its colour LCD touchscreen, the tablet controller is going to be a relatively expensive piece of kit, hence the reason consumers will only get one with each console. Wii U is expected, at least initially, to only support one tablet controller at a time, meaning secondary players will have to use a Wii Remote.


One developer also told GI.biz that they believe the PS3/Vita combo is a stronger alternative to the Wii U with tablet controller. "You can do everything with that combo that you can with the Wii U, and more," they said.

But with the vita/ps3 comments it sounds like a troll. Two actual named, Vigil art developers working on Wii U Darksiders 2 right at this minute said last year at E3 and on camera last week that Wii U was more powerful than current gen systems and could do a lot more. I don't think the tech demos last year of the garden or zelda demo were sub-360 graphics.

Did you? Also Mark Rein of Epic said recentely "That Zelda demo was gorgeous and we can do even more than that with Unreal Engine 3 on Wii U. I think it (the console) will do great."

I think it depends on what context this anonymous dev is talking about as we've already heard that it takes a lot of resources to generate a different viewpoint on the tablet screen, whilst displaying high quality graphics on the HDTV too and for ports to boot. Our resident French journo on GAF has said that most devs are just porting shit across at the moment and trying to get their unoptimised 360 engines running on the TV and the padlet at the same time. Which obviously uses more resources. It would be like having your 360 putting Gears 2 on your HDTV and having it also connected to another TV pumping out the same graphics and environment at a lower resolution at the same time. Kinda like how split screen usually has a performance hit.

edgecrusher said:

You're not planning any kind of fucking attacks, are you?

edgecrusher said:

I'm not buyin' this new story about the Nintendo console not even being on the same level as 360. Wasn't it originally announced a long time ago as being based on the Radeon 4800 series cards? Those cards are well beyond the 360's GPU. Somebody is full of shit one way or another.

Yeah it sounds like a troll to me.

This was IGNs article

CPU

IBM Power®-based multi-core microprocessor

IBM has also revealed it to be a 45nm chip, with embedded DRAM. Additionally, the CPU is based on the same chip that is used in the Watson supercomputer, implying it is a Power7 model. (Source: Kotaku)

Previously rumored to be roughly 50% more powerful than PS3. (Source: IGN) Recent reports of actual hardware however suggest it to be much greater, putting it around 20% less powerful than the next gen Xbox (which is rumored to be at least 6 times more powerful than current gen consoles). Again, all rumors however.

GPU

AMD Radeon-based High Definition GPU

Recent reports suggest it is based on the RV770 architecture, unlike previous reports which merely pointed to the general R700 series.
This chip is used in AMD's last gen cards such as the 4870

Supports DirectX 10.1

"Eyefinity-like multi-display tech for up to four SD video streams"

Note that none of this is official from Nintendo

Sources: Engadget, GameWatch


RAM

"large memory capacity" according to a Ubisoft engineer (Source: Develop) 3 times as much memory as 360 and PS3 according to recent reports.


Wii U Daily Rumors

In early December, Wii U Daily reported hardware information supposedly received from a Japanese developer. They consisted of:

Quad Core, 3 GHz PowerPC-based 45nm CPU, very similar to the Xbox 360 chip.

768 MB of DRAM “embedded” with the CPU, and shared between CPU and GPU

Unknown, 40nm ATI-based GPU


While Wii U Daily suggested that this would put the Wii U on par with the XBox 360 in terms of performance[1], PCMag.com clarified, that not only were some of the details inevitably misreported, but that just the processor specs would, " ' In terms of raw power, ... put the Wii U way ahead of the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.' "

There was one dev on GAF who claimed it was worse than 360/PS3 but he was a lone voice amongst pretty much everything else we've heard and failed to specify what devkit he was using or reply when questioned. The latest kit is version 5 and at the time the dev kits were v1 or v2 when he made his post.

The only way I see Wii U as being lower powered than 360, is if the 3DS only selling once the price was cut has frightened Nintendo to go cheap and go mass market out the gate; as low as they can go. 3DS wasn't underpowered and I think Wii U wouldn't be, but if the 3DS launch made them poopie a little in their pants, yeah they might have gone cheap, which would be very sad IMO.

Kinect Star Wars reviews

CVG: 8.5/10 - Cynicism leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads you to not enjoy the best Star Wars game in years. Suspend disbelief and cast aside aspersions - you'll have a riot.

Xbox 360 Achievements: 45/100 - Kinect Star Wars is another in a long list of Kinect titles that just doesn't cut it. Its unresponsive controls, lack of depth and short-lived gaming experiences do little to cater for any audience. Quite why Microsoft backed it so much is still a mystery; it's a title that they probably should have sent out to die alone a long time ago.

Eurogamer: 5/10 - Kids will find it far too fiddly and unresponsive, while adults will be put off by the repetition and generally slapdash "see what sticks" approach to gameplay. Waste your time with this, you should not.

Digital Spy: 4/5 - The development team has gone to great lengths to ensure that every game mode feels different to the next, and has overcome any issues with length by adding lots of replayability in terms of high scores, unlockables and alternative game modes. The force really is strong with this one.

ShopTo: Good - The Force may not be strong in this one, but there is definitely something there. The game won't appeal to everyone, but if you have kids and want to teach them the way of the Jedi, then what better way than to put a copy of Kinect Star Wars in the console, sit back and enjoy.

God is a Geek: 7/10 - The dancing mode is hilarious, and its player detection is so good it is one of the only Kinect dance games to come close to the Dance Central titles. Rancor Rampage is just pure unadulterated fun, and Pod Racing is one of the most intuitive and logical implementations of Kinect control that we have seen yet on the hardware, but Duels of Fate and Jedi Destiny fall down when you get to use the legendary glowing sword; it just isn't as satisfying or exhilarating as it should be.

GamesBeat: 70/100 - Kids may be happy with this game. And if you want to break it out for a party, the Dance Off game is funny. It's so rare to find a game with a sense of humor in it these days. The Rancor Rampage is quite entertaining. And so this Star Wars title has enough redeeming qualities to satisfy people who are in love with the George Lucas property.

IGN: 5.5/10 - If you're a longtime fan who's been waiting for a game that'll let you live out your Star Wars fantasies than the wait is far from over. Kinect Star Wars, with all its control and polish issues, has very limited appeal for an adult audience. Kids will likely find more enjoyment out of it, even the absurd dancing mode, but ultimately its more of a Star Wars-themed set of mediocre mini-games than the jedi epic fans are dying for.

Metro: 4/10 - This is not the Star Wars game you're looking for, and neither is it the game to prove that Kinect can do core games - in fact it's quite the opposite...

NowGamer: 7.0 - Traditional fans will question some of Kinect Star Wars' gameplay, and though it falls flat on its face when attempting to present lightsaber-on-lightsaber action, the other disciplines make up for it and will give those who like Jar Jar an experience they'll no doubt love.

Yeah the 4870 Radeon was the card I had before my new one in my PC...it blows the 360 away, I mean fucking destroys it. So if that is what the new Nintendo is based on, then this new article over the past few days of developers claiming its "just not as capable" is total horseshit. And those other articles you brought up I forgot about, all the times people claimed Wii U to be a superior. And yes, to me the Zelda demo alone shows its beyond 360. The detail and clarity in that demo looks like something you'd expect out of a 4870 card.

If Nintendo did go and chop the specs down, as you say, then I will be pretty disappointed. And so will everyone else when Zelda looks nothing like that. If they go back to cel shading again, we will know why.

Kinect Star Wars seems to be a gimmicky piece of crap just like Kinect itself.

edgecrusher said:

Yeah the 4870 Radeon was the card I had before my new one in my PC...it blows the 360 away, I mean fucking destroys it. So if that is what the new Nintendo is based on, then this new article over the past few days of developers claiming its "just not as capable" is total horseshit. And those other articles you brought up I forgot about, all the times people claimed Wii U to be a superior. And yes, to me the Zelda demo alone shows its beyond 360. The detail and clarity in that demo looks like something you'd expect out of a 4870 card.

If Nintendo did go and chop the specs down, as you say, then I will be pretty disappointed. And so will everyone else when Zelda looks nothing like that. If they go back to cel shading again, we will know why.

I just read that the very cheapest Radeon has twice the shader units of the 360. If Wii U was to have less shader units than 360 it would have to be using a bargain basement, super crap AMD IGP.

The GI article barely makes sense "The graphics are just not as powerful." Since when are graphics powerful? Is this quote run through a translator?

Then the quote contradicts itself IMO "There aren't as many shaders, it's not as capable. Sure, some things are better, mostly as a result of it being a more modern design. But overall the Wii U just can't quite keep up."

The more modern design would mean some things are better - like the shader capability. Why would Nintendo release Wii U with a poorer shader unit than a 2005 released machine? If, the cheapest radeon gpu has twice the amount of shaders as 360 anyway?