Dvader said:

robio said:

Dvader said:

No responses to my Zelda comparison, come on guys.

I predict that you will be kicked in the nuts later today.

Finally found your post, it was in between GG and Iga sorry I missed it. It does look just like Zelda.

Since it was wedged in between the two of them I can understand why you'd ignore it.

robio said:

Dvader said:

robio said:

Dvader said:

No responses to my Zelda comparison, come on guys.

I predict that you will be kicked in the nuts later today.

Finally found your post, it was in between GG and Iga sorry I missed it. It does look just like Zelda.

Since it was wedged in between the two of them I can understand why you'd ignore it.

SteelAttack said:

I know I'm largely talking to myself, but for anyone interested, the DiRT 2 demo is available on Live and Euro PSN.

*crickets chirp*

 I'd download it, but it's probably blocked for Silver users until next week.  

Iga_Bobovic said:

I thought it was a user created level in Bloom Box

You really need to get those eyes checked.

Edit: Or I need to play Boom Blox. The first option is the correct one, though.

Dvader said:

Iga_Bobovic said:

Dvader said:

Iga_Bobovic said:

You are not making sense anymore. Why would a game that used to be an action platformer not work if you make a 3D version of a action platformer? Or are you saying that Prince of Persia is not an action platformer?

Oh the original Castlevania are action platformers. If they are so because reasons you mentioned before, well guess what, that still makes them Action Platformers.

P.S. I will withhold judgement from the new Castlevania for now, because I do not know what the platforming/exploring/fighting ratio will be.

But the old Castlevania's are still ACTION PLATFORMERS.

Firstly I dont care for the use of action platformer, its an action game, it fits under the action/adventure genre, all these subgenres are a pain. Anyway PoP can be described as an action platformer, but again its the type of game where I dont see Castlevania working. Platforming in Castlevania was always just there to be there, it was never the focus of the game. In Castlevania you fight tons and tons of enemies as you travel to the next area. Since SOTN the world has become open, but you are still basically fighting tons of enemies and moving to the next room. Almost everything in the game serves to augment the action, a few are relics that allow better movement around the world, which that should stay.

Having a 3D Castlevania game where you enter a bunch of rooms that have moving platforms, giant buzz saws in the walls, spiked floors rising up and down, where you have to swing around with a whip and giant holes of death, does not sound right to me. It's fine if there are a few rooms like that but not 50/50 in the way PoP did it. Castlevania needs to be about the action first and everything else second. They need to nail the combat system, its not 2D anymore, simply slashing an enemy until its dead doesnt work in 3D. It's the reason why every Castlevania game has failed in 3D, cause the combat has sucked.

What confused me the most is that when we finally have a Castlevania game that looks like it matches the very best 3D action games, you start to complain that it not Castlevania. That is what I find crazy, this is what it should be. And its not like its Bayonetta, that trailer showed plenty of aspects that was not action oriented like climbing the side of the castle, going up a large tunnel and using the whip to swing over objects. It is definetly more GoW than DMC from that trailer, I just hope that when I get a good look at the combat system its as fluid as DMC.

It's a action platformer and seriously download Castlevania 3 or Super.

Platforming plays a huge part in those two game. There is jumping from platform to platform. There is jumping while a stupid Medusa head knocks you off. There is forces scrolling sections. There is a bride that collapse under your weight sections.  Heck Super Castlevania 4 had you use the whip to hang on while the room rotates and stuff.

See here a level in Castlevania where you actually use your whip to move from place to place.

Here the clock tower level, see platforming and action! And again you use your whip to move around.

I am aware of that, I played CV4. The series shifted from that but I understand your want to go back. That style would fit a 2D Castlevania more. From what I have seen in 3D games they usually keep the platforming and the action separate, even in PoP there is a time for platforming and then a time to fight enemies, it alternates back and forth. I feel that a Castlvania game in 3D needs to be near relentless with the action, thats how Castlevania games are, there is almost never a moment when an enemy is not on the screen.

 Yeah, but did not Prince of Persia 2 had platforming while fighting? 

Dvader said:

I'm not saying the game needs to be an exact clone of DMC or GoW, nor that it has to be all action all the time. I think the focus needs to be the action, they need to nail that aspect above all and DMC/GoW/NG is the template they should use. If they manage to make an area where there is spinning clock gears and medusa heads knocking you off then awesome, if not as long as the action is addictive I will be happy.

(And let me state again that new trailer shows Belmont using a whip to get around too, dont worry, the game will be amazing)

Not that easy. Your combat control can interfere with your platforming controls. That's why most of them do them seperately. Imagine if you have an attack that locks on your enemy and you dive bomb him or something. Now imagine you are jumping and a medusa head appears, you do the dive bomb only for the trajectory of your jump to change and you die. If you want platforming with action at the same time, you need to design it with both in mind. It's more difficult, but if Kojima is as good as you hope he is, he should manage. 

I think most game got rid of platforming element, because it is not popular anymore. And it's easier to focus on action. It looks better and it's easier to market.

Dvader said:

gamingeek said:

Dvader said:

gamingeek said:

Dvader said:

Having a 3D Castlevania game where you enter a bunch of rooms that have moving platforms, giant buzz saws in the walls, spiked floors rising up and down, where you have to swing around with a whip and giant holes of death, does not sound right to me.

Oh wow, that sounds perfect to me.

Steel, that 3d dot game gives me a hard on. What is it?

To be honest that does sound pretty cool, but its still not Castlevania. Action first, giant maze castle second, then you can throw in platforming.

I'd like it to be balanced so have the game like you said but allow for action in the same areas or make it so fluid that the action can and does happen whilst you are avoiding all the environmental stuff. Most enemies in CV games can be beaten with one or two slashes.

Yeah, in 2D games a few slashes is fine, in 3D you need to make the action more complex. Blocks, counters, combos, dodges, it needs depth to it.

 Counter and dodges are fine, but how do you block with a whip? Impossible. You can do it with a sword though!

So i just bought Castlevania 3 on VC (with Actraiser). Its freaking cool how many paths there are and the multiple characters thing. Its like Castlevania 1 mixed with SOTN. But DAMN PLATFORMING is killing me all over the place. Yeah you are right Iga its platforming all over the place and I am finding it a bit annoying. Castlevania was never good with jumping, its very stiff and doesnt feel right. Combine that with some annoying game design choices like the stairs that you must get on at either end or you go right through it. Oh my favorite, the level that scrolls up and everything below it becomes an instant pit of death, even if there was a platform there a second ago if you scroll to high it becomes a pit of death ( a lot of NES games did this). Just cause it has platforming doesnt mean its good platforming.

The game is still great though, but I perfer the 16-bit CVs and the SOTN ones to this.

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