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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:21:09
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Nintendo has an amazing back-up plan. If they struggle all they have to do is make New Super Mario Bros. Wii 2, Super Mario Galaxy 3, or another Mario Kart and then they'll survive.

My point is that we've been seeing Nintendo make sequels to these core franchises that they haven't done before on their past consoles. Already we have two Super Mario Galaxy games, New Super Mario Bros. for the Wii, two Zelda games for the DS, three Metroid games on the Wii including Trilogy, and even another console Zelda game, even though technically Twilight Princess was a Cube game, but it still counts as a Wii game because it came out first for it.

My question is, do you guys mind if Nintendo keeps doing this? Is IGNorant right in that the big N is being lazy with these easy cash-ins? Of course, I wouldn't call them fully lazy. I mean even the half-hearted Nintendo games are much better than most developers' full efforts.

I know Nintendo making a bunch of sequels to their core franchises is nothing new but we're definitely seeing more of them during one console generation. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad one. I kind of feel it's in-between. Part of me likes it and will swallow anything Nintendo gives me to eat, while the other part of me wishes Nintendo made newer foods instead of the same meals with different toppings.

What do you guys think about this?

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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:46:38
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No, I really don't mind as long as the games keep feeling fresh and fun.

As far as Nintendo being lazy, of course they are. It's easy money for them, and Nintendo has always been about teh profits. Why spend a ton of money on voice actors and orchestrated music when their games will still sell millions of copies using text and MIDI files? Why spend millions on R&D of next-gen graphical hardware when last gen tech is good enough for most people? Why create new core franchises when their fresh ideas can usually be implemented into existing franchises, and sell a lot more due to brand recognition? This is how Nintendo thinks, and until they see a noticeable loss in profits, they'll continue as they have been.


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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:55:49
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I think I'm pretty much used to it by now! Besides we got Wii music, Wii Fit, and Wii sports this gen, so we should be happy. Nyaa

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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:01:53
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I think I'm pretty much used to it by now! Besides we got Wii music, Wii Fit, and Wii sports this gen, so we should be happy. Nyaa

Yeah, Wii Sports Resort kicks ass, so I'm happy. Happy

My sister likes Wii Fit, but she's super casual, so her opinion doesn't count. Nyaa  

Hmm, Wii Music? What's that? WinkWink

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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:09:45
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You can call Nintendo plenty of things, but lazy is not one of them.

They seem to be resting some over played franchises (Mario Party, DK, some of the sports stuff).  Would something new be appreciated? Most definitely, but if they turn out more core Mario, Zelda and Metroid games then we'll be fine.  I've gotten away with not buying any game that starts with the word "Wii", and I don't begrudge people who buy that stuff, I figure it's funding the good stuff.

I do think they need to keep a closer eye on where Pokemon is going.  Doesn't seem to have much quality control or focus lately.

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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:57:09
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In terms of output, even when they seem perilously slow compared to other publishers or platform holders, they are far ahead of themselves.

Think about their GC output and compare it to their wii games. Already they have delivered us the wanted sequels in the franchises we love, and then some. And then all the new stuff like Wii Sports.

But despite being a platform holder nintendo just aren't aggressive enough when it comes to expansion. They had a decent idea back in the cube days, get other developers to work on lesser IP like F Zero and Starfox. F Zero GX was amazing, unfortunately Namco crapped out Starfox Assault. Imagine if Factor 5 had made it?

I think there would be an uproar if they stopped making mario and zelda, so what they need to do is partner with someone else. They need antoher Rare.

Or they need to expand and acquire. Any other company flush in cash like they are would start buying up othe companies. I mean can you imagine if Nintendo bought Capcom? The range of games those two companies could make when paired would make an entire library of games for a single system. But I think we also forget that Nintendo has to make games for two platforms at once and this has been the case since the gameboy first launched.

When you look at their output across both home and portables its pretty darn great and suprising that they have managed to consistently maintain quality for decades now.

EDGE mag awarded them publisher of the decade, well they could easily have been awarded best ever publisher.

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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:58:54
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What I would like though is if they put out the staples and then once they were out, they went all out on original titles. Then we would get the best of both worlds.

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^I think Nintendo's plan is just wait until the companies get bankrupt and then buy all the talent for cheap. They will not expand quickly, because that can be dangerous to Nintendo's internal atmosphere. Iwata said so himself. I think the plan is to work together with other companies and hire people, and slowly and surely buy the good ones.

I think they might bring Sakurai back. And buy Suda and the guys that made LKS. 

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^I think Nintendo's plan is just wait until the companies get bankrupt and then buy all the talent for cheap. They will not expand quickly, because that can be dangerous to Nintendo's internal atmosphere. Iwata said so himself. I think the plan is to work together with other companies and hire people, and slowly and surely buy the good ones.

I think they might bring Sakurai back. And buy Suda and the guys that made LKS.

I dont think they have an expansion plan. In the cube days you had this deal for Fzero and starfox. They partnered with Silicon Knights and Factor 5. This gen they seem to secure the odd big exclusive from a big japanese developer, DQuest and MHunter for instance. Otherwise that is it.

The only recent new studio I can think of is the Tokyo one that is made up of Mario sunshine guys/DK Jungelbeat, now galaxy guys.

It was in the N64 days that a prolific Rare showed what a great 2nd party could do. Retro is only big enough to make one game at a time and they take as long as Nintendo do making zelda games.

There are tons of companies they could buy, CING would be perfect, maybe the overkill guys, Climax, the Shattered memories guys. Factor 5 ex staff - starfox beckons.

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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:29:18
Nintendo has partnered with Sega a lot this gen and last gen. Maybe they should buy them? That way Nintendo can show them how to make a real Sonic game. Happy

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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:37:49

Ravenprose said:
Nintendo has partnered with Sega a lot this gen and last gen. Maybe they should buy them? That way Nintendo can show them how to make a real Sonic game. Happy

Bah.

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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:42:04

Ravenprose said:
Nintendo has partnered with Sega a lot this gen and last gen. Maybe they should buy them? That way Nintendo can show them how to make a real Sonic game. Happy

OR, they buy Sega for the sole reasons of stopping the Sonic franchise. Everyone is happy except Vader, but seeing Vader cry would make everyone happy, so win-win 

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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:43:47
as raven said, so long as the games are consistently good then bring them on.  i'm very sad about pikmin though.  i want pikmin 3 already, seriously!  (i know there's LKS but i want pikmin).  they should be working on pikmin 4 by now yet there hasn't even been a single pikmin game on the wii yet (new play control don't count).

also i think it's a mistake to say that nintendo is lazy or that they don't invest in R&D.  if anything they are the only company who has been brave enough to shake up the industry this go around.  as iga said in the news section after his cat-fight with grammatoncleric ...

1. the DS
2. the wii-mote
3. nintendogs
4. brain games
5. wii sports
6. wii fit

these are all stuff which were so revolutionary they kicked off entire genres but they were all risky to begin with.  none of this happens without significant investment in R&D and excellent strategic planning (luck too, but that is always a necessary ingredient)

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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:02:59

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as raven said, so long as the games are consistently good then bring them on.  i'm very sad about pikmin though.  i want pikmin 3 already, seriously!  (i know there's LKS but i want pikmin).  they should be working on pikmin 4 by now yet there hasn't even been a single pikmin game on the wii yet (new play control don't count).

also i think it's a mistake to say that nintendo is lazy or that they don't invest in R&D.  if anything they are the only company who has been brave enough to shake up the industry this go around.  as iga said in the news section after his cat-fight with grammatoncleric ...

1. the DS
2. the wii-mote
3. nintendogs
4. brain games
5. wii sports
6. wii fit

these are all stuff which were so revolutionary they kicked off entire genres but they were all risky to begin with.  none of this happens without significant investment in R&D and excellent strategic planning (luck too, but that is always a necessary ingredient)

If this is a response to my R&D comment, I was talking strictly about graphics/processing power, not motion tech or software. I'm sure they spend a ton of money on that stuff.

Also, as far as them being lazy, they are lazy but in a very smart way; actually, frugal would be a much better word. Nintendo does not go after all of the extra bells and whistles that most other companies do simply because they don't need to in order to compete.

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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 14:14:26
i agree with you there.  hopefully they'll move some of those areas forward step by step.  i think miyamoto was talking about how "convinced" he became when he heard the full orchestral audio of mario galaxy.  other games would benefit from that too, especially zelda ... and pikmin Nyaa  and it wouldn't have been out of place in NewSMB
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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:32:30

Nope I wouldn't mind at all, since that's what I got the Wii for was to play Nintendo's mainstay franchise games as well as for the VC.

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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:13:56
You mean...if I would mind Nintendo being Nintendo? No, not at all. Nyaa
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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:22:24

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You mean...if I would mind Nintendo being Nintendo? No, not at all. Nyaa

What would you guys think if Nintendo used the same design but as a new franchise? I mean Mario Galaxy was a new concept, from planetoid to planetoid. It's a new game that has an old franchise attached to it. What if they just created another furry looking platforming icon and named it differently? Would they have a better image for creating new IP even if the design would be the same as mario galaxy?

What if Twilight Princess didn't have zelda attached to it and you played as the wolf and midna combo the whole way through? The game was called Midna and the wolf and had the same art style and new name, hence new IP but same design as Twilight Princess.

Better image as a new IP creator? I see a lot of similar games getting credit for being a new IP even when its a reskinned clone of an existing design. What's the bigger sin here?

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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:24:04
Ugh, I was just giving you guys shit. No need to get your panties in a bunch.
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Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:25:58

SteelAttack said:
Ugh, I was just giving you guys shit. No need to get your panties in a bunch.

Panties aren't in a bunch and I actually agree and LOLed at your observation. I'm just trying to have a discussion here like what the thread was made for.

Anus.

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