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Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:20:21
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Too early to start speculating on this?  Nahhhh. . .

I picked up something kind of interesting on Gametrailers' Bonus Round when they went over Nintendo's E3.  Patcher said he asked Reggie about the cost of the 3DS.  Reggie of course wouldn't directly comment but he did say that it was a lot more expensive to produce that the DSi and they would not take a hit when selling it.  Lots of emphasis on that "a lot more expensive." Based on that, and a few other things Patcher was predicting a $229 launch price with most of the extra cost going to the 3-D tech. He actually doesn't have a terrible track record when it comes to pricing games so that's probably fair.  

That got me wondering what Sony's going to have to come up with.  Seems pretty natural that they're going to go the 3-D route for their handheld as well.  If they do that though that means the idea of a touch screen is out unless they can work around the problem that Nintendo had with touch-screen and 3-D existing on the same screen.  And as much as Sony looks to Nintendo for ideas I don't think they'd cross the line and go with a dual screen system.

And because it's Sony they're going to put as much processing power as they can cram in it to go for some high end visuals.  Question is, what would the cost be?  Conservatively at least $250, but probably more in the lines of $300.  

Would anyone really pay $300 for a handheld system though?  You can get a PS3 for that.  So they're going to have to add something else big.  My guess is Sony is going to take the big jump into a full fledge cell phone.  They're going to have to do something that the 3DS doesn't already do, and it can't just be better graphics.  The only thing else I can think of is make it either an e-reader or a cell phone. Is there something else out there that I'm missing?

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Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:29:49
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i think they'll ape the 3DS and just give it even more horsepower and better graphical ability.

they'll also try to present is an an everything "portable" entertainment system, but I don't think it'll be a phone as such.

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Sat, 19 Jun 2010 16:44:31
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Sony 3D

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^LOL

I doubt it would happen, and yet I would never bet against it happening.

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They have to go the phone route, its the only path left for them. They will do 3D as well, they must with them being the industry leader in 3D and all. It will have a touch screen but like an iphone, so limited use for gaming. Graphics cant be that much better cause it needs to be cost effective, at least the same price as 3DS. That is what they need to do to make any kind of dent.
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Sat, 19 Jun 2010 19:41:49
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Sony 3D

It's begun.

Any future sony handheld will try and push media as much as gaming. I can imagine if having a hard drive, maybe a larger focus on downloads, yeah, even after PSP Go.

They will have graphics at least the equal of 3DS and they will probably pilfer the touch screen and 3D too.

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Sat, 19 Jun 2010 23:25:19
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Just some quick points.
+ Has to be around $200, but given Sony they are going to turn the tech all the way up and thus demand a price closer to $300.  They have not demonstrated the ability to learn from their prior pricing errors and seem to think that there are enough early adopters to pay the entry-tax. (They are wrong).

+ No phone.  SCE and Sony electronics do not get along well (see the UMD disaster among many other examples).  I don't think it is animosity, I think it is just that they are two Air-Craft Carrier size organizations and getting them to act in synch is almost impossible.  Electronic, politically, also seems to not like the prominence SCE took from them within the company - add in the fact that SCE is always undermining their core sales (PS1 undermining CD-players, PS2 undermining DVD players, PS3 undermining BluRay).  The other reason is for no phone is the individual compliances that need to be taken care of in each country, which I think they would not want to hang onto a PSP-like device.

+ No UMD.  I see them continuing with hard-media though.  Memory has dropped in price greatly since the UMD was released.

+ 3D will be included, because that's the hot gimmick non-gaming amongst industry types and focus group morons.

+ No idea if dual analog.  Knowing Sony, probably not.  Because they are idiots.

All I want is backward compatibility and dual analog, but I doubt I'll get my wishes.  As with the PSP I won't buy until the price drop (I bought at $199).  For the benefit of Sony they probably should not even try, the market is stacked against them and the 3DS looks solid.  
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I was thinking about this too and I do agree that Sony needs more than just good graphics.

But I think the PSP2 won't change anything. Nintendo just has a knack of doing handhelds right and I give all the credit to Nintendo's first-party team, name brand recognition, and legacy. The games they make cater to both core and casuals. And Nintendo has the kids' market which Sony will never tap into like Pokemon for example.

The problem with Sony, which was the problem with the PSP, is that the games were basically either PS2 ports or scaled down versions of PS3 games. What else can Sony do other than smaller versions of Uncharted, Killzone, God of War, Metal Gear, Resistance, Motorstorm, etc.? For gamers, like myself, I'd eat this stuff up because I love portable games, but on a grander scale I don't think the average gamer who plays games would care.

The DS and the 3DS on the other hand has games that appeal to everyone.

Unless Sony manages to be as creative as Nintendo when it comes to games like they do, I just don't see the PSP2 being a viable investment. I think Sony's desire is to keep pushing the PSP for now. Power-wise, the PSP and the 3DS looks about the same. The only difference is 3D and the touch screen.

And no, I won't pay $300 for a PSP2 when I can get a PS3. That's just ridiculous if you ask me! And I think most sane people would think the same...unless they're rich and filthy, which I'm not.
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Sun, 20 Jun 2010 04:13:15
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gamingeek said:

Any future sony handheld will try and push media as much as gaming.

This is what I will guess at. They will have the largest 3d screen possible - maybe multi touch (more for navigation than games). Reworked controls (dual analog ) and more media and online focus.

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Sun, 20 Jun 2010 04:54:21
You'll be able to talk on the built in phone...in 3D!

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Sun, 20 Jun 2010 11:50:24


One thing about the PSP is that the actual hardware sells good, but software not so much. So assuming Sony want to make a profit, I don't think that they would sell the PSP2 at a loss.

So therefore, I think the price will be higher than the 3DS and they will be content making money off the actual hardware rather than software licences.

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Mon, 21 Jun 2010 10:03:59
And they HAVE to get a handle on piracy.  It's contributed greatly to a lack of developer support this gen.

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Mon, 21 Jun 2010 10:23:36

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And they HAVE to get a handle on piracy.  It's contributed greatly to a lack of developer support this gen.

But then not only will nobody be buying the software nobody will be buying the console either. Nyaa

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Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:04:15

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aspro said:
And they HAVE to get a handle on piracy.  It's contributed greatly to a lack of developer support this gen.

But then not only will nobody be buying the software nobody will be buying the console either. Nyaa

 i don't know if you are joking entirely but it's actually the reason nobody is buying the pspgo

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Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:36:20
From the short time I was a Mod at gamespot, I know that's a serious problem.  You could just sit in the PSP forum and snipe posts asking piracy questions (how to do it, which way is best, asking for links) all day long.

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Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:02:06

Yeah it's pretty remarkable about how pirating with a PSP is completely common knowledge. People who know nothing about piracy on other consoles immediately know that it can be done on the PSP.  

Check out Craigslist sometime and go into the videogame sections.  At least in my town, half the "for sale" entries are for people who will hack your PSP for $20 and give you all the games your memory stick can hold. Sony definitely needs to get a grip on this.  For that matter, so does Nintendo. I'm reading more and more about how common those Real Carts are for downloading DS games.

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Mon, 28 Jun 2010 02:39:14
SONY completely fucked themselves by not announcing the PSP2 already. There isn't much they can do.
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Mon, 28 Jun 2010 12:23:11

punk_rebel_ecks said:
SONY completely fucked themselves by not announcing the PSP2 already. There isn't much they can do.

They can find themselves a 3D screen supplier, re-purpose PSP tech and unveil it as PSP2.

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Tue, 29 Jun 2010 08:12:14

gamingeek said:

punk_rebel_ecks said:
SONY completely fucked themselves by not announcing the PSP2 already. There isn't much they can do.

They can find themselves a 3D screen supplier, re-purpose PSP tech and unveil it as PSP2.

The problem is that all the lionshare of support and mindshare will go to the 3DS. And with the PSP ending as badly as it did hardly any publisher is going to want to support it.


Unless SONY comes up with something crazy the best they can do is achieve is highly mediocre like success. It was either launch before the 3DS, or don't launch at all.

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Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:19:06
Yeah but 3DS dev costs can be as much as a wii game so publishers will want to be multiformat to hedge their bets.

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