My turn to defend Trump. 
Trump is yet to be responsible for 100,000-650,000 dead civilians in a war of aggression, not to mention nearly 5,000 dead Americans Bush really put Bin Laden to shame in his American kill count lol, especially when you consider that the direct response to 9/11 in Afghanistan killed just over 4,000 so in a direct fight he beat Bin Laden, too. And if you combine the figures, it's a 3-1 (9,000-3,000 odd) thrashing in favour of Bush. But the lives of soldiers don't matter, so it's all good I guess?
And that's not to mention the erection of a stasi surveillance state across the anglosphere, a massive political assassination scheme (greatly accelerated by Obama), and the suspension of rule of law for certain crimes...and let's not forget that whole torture fiasco.
Plus, wasn't it Obama who built all those concentration camps? It might have been Bush, I'm not sure. Maybe it was even earlier?
Not to mention that the sort of propaganda required to push for a war of aggression is very conducive to also encouraging cultural acceptance of terrorism, so it's not as if all the cultural changes of recent came out of nowhere. It's obviously much more complicated than that war, but it is one part of it. Obama rewarding bankers for crashing the economy probably didn't help matters much, either.
Not that this excuses anything Trump has done, especially when he's continued or doubled down on such policies himself, but I don't know how you can be nostalgic for the likes of Bush. Though The Late Show was pretty funny during his reign!
gamingeek said:His China tariffs are even threatening our games consoles and prices may go up.
Are you sure you're not mixing this up with your own Brexit?
gamingeek said:My policy on the middle East is to let them get on with it and don't get involved. I believe it was Bush that set up Guantamo Bay.
That were certainly have been the case, were it not for the fact that they're sitting on the world's biggest oil reserves. Oh cruel fate, why must you mock us?
SupremeAC said:Are you sure you're not mixing this up with your own Brexit?
No, Brexit will push the prices of everything up. I'm hoping we can make a deal with america so I can buy stuff from ebay without paying an extra 20%.
SupremeAC said:That were certainly have been the case, were it not for the fact that they're sitting on the world's biggest oil reserves. Oh cruel fate, why must you mock us?
There are plenty of corrupt, violence ridden countries on the planet that are pretty much ignored by western govts. Oil is the reason it became a concern.
In 1989, Trump purchased newspaper advertisements demanding the reinstatement of the death penalty after the arrests of the “Central Park Five,” black and Latino teenagers accused of raping a white jogger in New York. They were exonerated in 2002, but Trump has repeatedly refused to acknowledge their innocence. In 2005, he pitched an idea for his reality television series, “The Apprentice,” that would have pitted white people against black people.
Also, what is the politically correct term for 'black people' in the US these days? Over here, if you absolutely want to offend no one, it's 'someone with roots of people from the sub sahara'
SupremeAC said:That were certainly have been the case, were it not for the fact that they're sitting on the world's biggest oil reserves. Oh cruel fate, why must you mock us?
Why does everyone forget about the lucrative poppy fields? 
gamingeek said:My policy on the middle East is to let them get on with it and don't get involved. I believe it was Bush that set up Guantamo Bay.
This is what I had in mind. Looks like the vast majority were built by Bush as well. Dude just loved concentration camps of all shapes and sizes.
Trump has reportedly suggested using nuclear bombs to stop hurricanes from striking the US
President Donald Trump has reportedly suggested dropping nuclear bombs into hurricanes to stop them from causing damage to the US, Axios reported on Sunday.
The report said that the president suggested the idea on multiple occasions to senior officials at the Department of Homeland Security and other national security officials.
One source present at a hurricane briefing at the White House at an unspecified date told Axios that Trump suggested something along the lines of: "I got it. I got it. Why don't we nuke them? They start forming off the coast of Africa, as they're moving across the Atlantic, we drop a bomb inside the eye of the hurricane and it disrupts it. Why can't we do that?"
The person who was briefing Trump on the hurricane reportedly responded, "Sir, we'll look into that."
But the source added that when Trump repeated the suggestion, people in the room were shocked and thought, "What the f---? What do we do with this?"
Trump has faced sharp criticism over his response to natural disasters, particularly after Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico in September 2017.
Nearly 3,000 people died as a result of the storm. The entire island was declared a Federal Disaster Zone after the hurricane made landfall, and much of the power grid is still recovering from the catastrophic damage.
When Trump visited the decimated island in 2017, he said the hurricane was not a "real catastrophe."
He also told the residents, "I hate to tell you, Puerto Rico, but you've thrown our budget a little out of whack, because we've spent a lot of money on Puerto Rico, and that's fine. We saved a lot of lives."
In the wake of the widespread public backlash to its handling of Hurricane Maria, the Trump administration has reportedly doubled down on its preparation for hurricane season this year.
According to USA Today, the administration expanded its outreach to states, provided additional supplies, and conducted drills to test emergency response times.
The added preparation lends to the realization that many of the communities that were devastated by natural disasters in the past were likely to be hit again.
"If a hurricane makes landfall in the United States this year, chances are a community that's already undergoing recovery will be hit again," homeland security adviser Doug Fears told USA Today. "That means it's a much more vulnerable community because all of the work necessary to restore it or even make it stronger has not been completed."
A senior administration official who was briefed on Trump's suggestion to nuke hurricanes told Axios that the president's objective is "not bad." "His goal - to keep a catastrophic hurricane from hitting the mainland - is not bad."
This isn't the first time the idea has been suggested - it was first floated by a scientist during the Eisenhower era, but experts widely agree the idea won't work.
National Geographic posted an article in 2017 explaining that besides for the suggestion being labeled as "wacky" by physicist Robert Nelson, the move would be prohibited under a nuclear treaty signed between the US and the former Soviet Union.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration even published a fact sheet online, explaining that the approach "won't work" and that radioactive fallout from the action would have a devastating environmental impact.
"Needless to say, this is not a good idea," it states.
;">He also told the residents, "I hate to tell you, Puerto Rico, but you've thrown our budget a little out of whack, because we've spent a lot of money on Puerto Rico, and that's fine. We saved a lot of lives."-This right here...🙄
gamingeek said:Trump has reportedly suggested using nuclear bombs to stop hurricanes from striking the US
President Donald Trump has reportedly suggested dropping nuclear bombs into hurricanes to stop them from causing damage to the US, Axios reported on Sunday.
The report said that the president suggested the idea on multiple occasions to senior officials at the Department of Homeland Security and other national security officials.
One source present at a hurricane briefing at the White House at an unspecified date told Axios that Trump suggested something along the lines of: "I got it. I got it. Why don't we nuke them? They start forming off the coast of Africa, as they're moving across the Atlantic, we drop a bomb inside the eye of the hurricane and it disrupts it. Why can't we do that?"
The person who was briefing Trump on the hurricane reportedly responded, "Sir, we'll look into that."
But the source added that when Trump repeated the suggestion, people in the room were shocked and thought, "What the f---? What do we do with this?"
Trump has faced sharp criticism over his response to natural disasters, particularly after Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico in September 2017.
Nearly 3,000 people died as a result of the storm. The entire island was declared a Federal Disaster Zone after the hurricane made landfall, and much of the power grid is still recovering from the catastrophic damage.
When Trump visited the decimated island in 2017, he said the hurricane was not a "real catastrophe."
He also told the residents, "I hate to tell you, Puerto Rico, but you've thrown our budget a little out of whack, because we've spent a lot of money on Puerto Rico, and that's fine. We saved a lot of lives."
In the wake of the widespread public backlash to its handling of Hurricane Maria, the Trump administration has reportedly doubled down on its preparation for hurricane season this year.
According to USA Today, the administration expanded its outreach to states, provided additional supplies, and conducted drills to test emergency response times.
The added preparation lends to the realization that many of the communities that were devastated by natural disasters in the past were likely to be hit again.
"If a hurricane makes landfall in the United States this year, chances are a community that's already undergoing recovery will be hit again," homeland security adviser Doug Fears told USA Today. "That means it's a much more vulnerable community because all of the work necessary to restore it or even make it stronger has not been completed."
A senior administration official who was briefed on Trump's suggestion to nuke hurricanes told Axios that the president's objective is "not bad." "His goal - to keep a catastrophic hurricane from hitting the mainland - is not bad."
This isn't the first time the idea has been suggested - it was first floated by a scientist during the Eisenhower era, but experts widely agree the idea won't work.
National Geographic posted an article in 2017 explaining that besides for the suggestion being labeled as "wacky" by physicist Robert Nelson, the move would be prohibited under a nuclear treaty signed between the US and the former Soviet Union.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration even published a fact sheet online, explaining that the approach "won't work" and that radioactive fallout from the action would have a devastating environmental impact.
"Needless to say, this is not a good idea," it states.
bahahahahaha
robio said:And speaking of hurricanes, guess what we have coming towards us? Shit....
On the bright side, it hasn't been irradiated (yet)!
One can't help but think he makes statements like this, because these are what he and his administration's actual environmental policies are.
At least dying from radiation will be a slow death compared to being hit by flying debris.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on4PDM8p7QI
(I still don't know how to embed video's)
SupremeAC said:At least dying from radiation will be a slow death compared to being hit by flying debris.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on4PDM8p7QI
(I still don't know how to embed video's)
I thought Trump was funny as fuck, before his ideas and policies starting messing up the rest of the whole and impacting me directly.
Youtube may be removed from my phone?! What the F?!
His China tariffs are even threatening our games consoles and prices may go up.
Now you have Iran capturing tankers, kinda Trumps fault. Racist white supremicist mass murderers around the world. No Russian pushback, really. And just a kind of breakdown of social norms and the world order. I wasn't an Obama or Bush fan, but whenever they or their photos show up on the news, I feel nostalgic. And remember how, reasonable and appropriate they were and how important they were in pushing American values to the rest of the free world. Under Trump, as an outsider, America seems almost scary in some regards now. When they showed the "Send her back chants" as someone who watched WW2 documentaries it was scary how similar it was to video they showed of a Hitler rally and the crowds there.