robio said:

Did they ever announce if the 360 was getting an exclusive character for MK like the PS3 got Kratos?

It's not. I think it's getting a free Download of Scarlet (Red Female Ninja) and I think an additional Gameplay mode... (Maybe Puzzle Kombat, but don't quote me on that!)

Agnates said:

And this is why you people should never visit Kotaku again, like I stopped doing years ago

Wrong game, fool.

And yes, Skyward Sword is cel shaded because they wanted it to be. Twilight Princess wasn't because they didn't want it to be. Whatever art style they choose for the next one will have little to do with the power of the system it will be on. Plenty series were going for realism in the last gen and even the one before that. Anyway, I'll just be glad Nintendo games will be more jaggy free. Other than that, Wii games can look superb already, especially since few have frame rate (many being 60 fps) or tearing issues and the like...

Twilight Princess, being a GameCube game, was hardly the best Wii could do without cel shading anyway. Some PS2 games like Metal Gear Solid 2 do better with such art styles. Yet we never saw much close to that even though the Wii could push more polygons and of course have way better textures since the PS2 had a pitiful amount of RAM even for its generation. On Wii, Monster Hunter Tri certainly looks better than Twilight Princess. Of course the world is segmented rather than seamless but that's, in my opinion, a design decision not based on system specifications. They could always mask the loading like in Metroid Prime (loading doors) or even Mario style (the face fade-out/in) anyway, they just didn't. Capcom's Sengoku Basara Samurai Heroes also looks superb without having so segmented levels. Of course it has pop-in and other issues but then it's a game that tries to push a ton of enemies on screen, unlike Zelda or Monster Hunter. Really, I don't think Wii came even close to being maxed out outside games like Super Mario Galaxy which are dismissed for their style.

I'm not sure you can really say that using an established cliche is copying someone else using the same cliche.

I'm just further expanding on their stupidity. Traced or not, the original art is still a well established cliche so I don't really see how it bears mentioning.

gamingeek said:

edgecrusher said:

After reading all of this, you have convinced me that Nintendo should just stick with the Wii for another 10 years. I do not want better technology powering their games, nor do I want 3rd-parties to be more inclined to partner with them. They could just release a new controller every 4 years so we can control our games differently, instead of a whole new console.

That's not what I'm saying. I will always take better graphics if offered at a reasonable price. All I'm saying is that better hardware will benefit 3rd parties who just want to have as many versions of their games on as many platforms as possible.

With a lot of Nintendo franchises, they are not geared towards tech, they are geared towards gameplay and many franchises are the same design with better visuals and that would be the case with better tech.

Nintendo won't be using the hardware in the way you and Vader want. You want Nintendo to act like a western third party and build their franchises as massive epic, sweeping HD games with Uncharted 2 like production values.

If that's what you expect Nintendo games to be like on a platform with 360 like power you will be disappointed because they will once again, confound expectations and do the best to trample on your desires. By now, anyone who knows Nintendo should know this. Every freaking new Nintendo console it's the same, people suddenly imagine Nintendo in a perfect world doing what they want and expect, and every time they end up disappointed.

I'm a pragmatist, I hope for the best but expect the worst.

No I don't expect every Nintendo game to be this grand scale game, that's not what I'm expecting. But I do think better hardware would benefit all software, obviously some games more than others but it would be a benefit to all even if in very small ways. I personally don't care what art style Zelda uses, in fact I like the style of the new game. But obviously it would look BETTER on a Wii60 regardless, and it would also take advantage of my digital sound setup as well. As far as the epic scale of their games, no I don't think that would change much because Zelda and Metroid are already epic, but with better hardware you need more storage space to keep doing those epic games because it consumes so much memory so hopefully that's what this new console will have.

I don't agree with you that Nintendo will be playing catch up in the graphics and tech department because they haven't had an HD console until now. Nintendo is one of the most talented companies out there, I'm sure they can figure it out. Moreover, they've likely been building HD game demo's for ages now on prototype hardware. Hell Matt C. from IGN said back when Wii was unvieled that they had two different consoles; the Wii we have now, and one that was comparable to 360 in power, which is likely what this new machine is based on. They went with the Wii at the time because it wasn't a big money risk and their console popularity was waning.

Some of you guys are just boggling my mind because it seems like you think a better console is a bad thing. Nintendo having a modern tech console was never a bad thing in the past, I don't see why it suddenly would be now. And their software always improved with it.

SteelAttack said:

Foolz said:

Ya don't say. He said imagine Endless Ocean on current gen hardware. It exists and looks worse because HD bullshit doesn't matter with graphics like that.

Who cares if fucking rocks will have better textures lol. The graphics won't be substantially improved because the important thing is the animation of the fish.

But you talk like proper fish animation is not possible on a system with higher specs. Or at least that's what I got out of your comment, I apologize in advance if I misunderstood. If Aquanauts has shit animation and stiff models that's the developer's fault, not because of the hardware.

Exactly what I'm saying.

gamingeek said:

Oh hell no, remember these?

Imagine:

Nintendos initial Wii control designs?

Horrible.

More Shin'en goodness.

Nannoassault shmup for 3DS.

Port of MGS4? Lol. Absolutely nothing is confirmed, including its existence. GG never said better hardware won't benefit Nintendo games. Just that it won't necessarily mean a realistic gritty vaseline powered Zelda since that's a design decision they could have gone with on Wii, like they sort of did on GC, yet didn't.

Screw rumours. If you know, tell. If you don't want to tell (ie, you don't know), stop boasting that you know. How do I know even *you* are not being played by this "source" of yours if you don't provide any information?!

gamingeek said:

Nintendo Life teases Wii HD details, discredits Project Café?

Nintendo Life is teasing Wii HD details from “a trusted source,” but are remaining tight-lipped on the specifics for the moment. They do offer some advice though:

All we can say so far is: don’t believe everything you read online. Other than from us, of course. May hear solid details next week…

Beyond that, there’s a few tweets that are difficult to distinguish whether or not they’re simply opinions or hints at what may be revealed in the coming weeks. For instance, one tweet seems to discredit the Project Café rumors:

Nintendo is a Japanese company. Why would a secret project have a French name?

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Revolution wasn't a Japanese name either.