angrymonkey said:

Ah - It's boardgames. The people that like the total strategy games crap on the games that have varying amounts of luck to them (but they don't exclude them their genre). It's just different gameplay mechanics. Codemasters f1 sim should have powerups and shortcuts - I'd love to hear the reaction to that.

bugsonglass said:

the other games are:  Let's Catch. (No, but i will still get let's tap)

let's tap soothes my constant unquenchable rage

(Hey, the winnipeg contemporary dancers want my mac. How about that.)

this is so joyous.  i hope they didn't meddle with the music selection in bringing this to the west.

Iga_Bobovic said:

SteelAttack said:

By that logic, Excitebots is in the same league as Gran Turismo. You can race. Great line of reasoning there.

No they are not in the same league, Excitebots actually sounds fun!

Sure, as fun as having a fucking piranha gnawing at your ballsack. So much joy.

I'm not even touching that abhorrent attempt at classification you tried up there. Are you seriously creating a whole genre ("Insane"? get the fuck out ) for that fucking turd?

You have 2D fighters, 3D fighters, and shit like Brawl and the turtle games.

You have sim racers (hardcore like PC games, or noob friendly like GT and Forza) and arcade racers (Burnout, Midnight Club). And shit like MK and ExciteTurds.

Iga_Bobovic said:

Watch out with using the term technical, becuase traditional games like Mortal Kombat are anything but technical. Heck many games that are traditional can be button mashed to victory. Something that is almost impossible to do in Brawl.

It all depends on your opponent. I'd defy you to button mash your way out of a fight with someone who knows what he's doing in a fighting game. If you win by button mashing that says more about your adversary than about you or the game itself.

angrymonkey said:

Codemasters f1 sim should have powerups and shortcuts - I'd love to hear the reaction to that.

I'm sure the reaction would be something like a loud, wet fart. A big cheekrattler with lots of moisture.

SteelAttack said:

I'm not even touching that abhorrent attempt at classification you tried up there. Are you seriously creating a whole genre ("Insane"? get the fuck out ) for that fucking turd?

 Well, I have no idea where to put it. Technically you do not even have to win the race to finish first. No way in hell you can put it in the same genre as Mario Kart.

SteelAttack said:

I'm not even touching that abhorrent attempt at classification you tried up there. Are you seriously creating a whole genre ("Insane"? get the fuck out ) for that fucking turd?

You have 2D fighters, 3D fighters, and shit like Brawl and the turtle games

SteelAttack said:

You have sim racers (hardcore like PC games, or noob friendly like GT and Forza) and arcade racers (Burnout, Midnight Club). And shit like MK and ExciteTurds.

 Where do you put WipeOut and F-Zero?

SteelAttack said:

Iga_Bobovic said:

Watch out with using the term technical, becuase traditional games like Mortal Kombat are anything but technical. Heck many games that are traditional can be button mashed to victory. Something that is almost impossible to do in Brawl.

It all depends on your opponent. I'd defy you to button mash your way out of a fight with someone who knows what he's doing in a fighting game. If you win by button mashing that says more about your adversary than about you or the game itself.

 No, it also depends on the game. Button mashing will not work at all in Virtua Fighter, and you will probably suicide yourself in Brawl. Soul Calibur and Mortal Kombat ar much more button mashing friendly. Heck in Mortal Kombat 5 there are some moves that are completely broken. There is a reason why fighting fans hate the MK series.

I was at Baskin Robbins last night with Miyamoto (he can scarf down rum raisin like nobody's business) and we talked about racing games.  He made a pretty good point about why a game like Mario Kart is ultimately going to be more successful than most of the racing games and it has very little to do with Mario believe it or not.

As racing games get more and more realistic, they become less fun to play.  Most gamers are old enough to drive cars now.  In fact, they've been driving for many many years. There's just no thrill to it anymore.  It's the same reason why adults don't do the car racing at Disney World.  Why pretend to drive when it's something that's more or less an everyday hassle?

Mario Kart on the other hand offers something different with the crazy tracks, obstacles, shells, etc.  No matter how many years of driving you do you're not going to be dodging turtle shells, racing down waterfalls, and dodging cows (well assuming you're not a really shitty driver).

That's Miyamoto's viewpoint anyway.  And we're going to a water park tomorrow for those who are curious.

This site is awesome today, we need to fight more often.

Robio is full of win again.

gamingeek said:

BTW, I just wanted to make clear, I was only joking when I said: Blah blah. That's why I put the smiley and I am still really tired. Had a butt clenchingly long review today too. Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I will try and get a coherent reply in that thread over the weekend.

I think it would be fun to do trial threads like Judge Judy or something. Pick a game, RE5 for instance, or Phantom Hourglass. Get two opposing sides, an impartial jury (who hasn't played the game) put forward points and see who wins the argument. Would take something we all lack though: effort

I know.

I love that idea you got, I am in. I can write about games all day long, that is something that comes easy to me. I would love to do something like that on a podcast, but we never seem to be playing the same game, or we have the same opinion of it.

I am down if you can get a jury. We can do PH right now, I will be the guy against it and was it Robio that really likes it? Well whoever it was that loved it can be the other dude. The problem is finding an impartial jury.

Iga_Bobovic said:

So is Infinite Space platinum's bestest selling game ever?

I am shocked that that game is selling. Out of all their games I figured that would be the weirdest most niche of the group.

Bayonetta will easily be its biggest seller when it hits though.

robio said:

I was at Baskin Robbins last night with Miyamoto (he can scarf down rum raisin like nobody's business) and we talked about racing games.  He made a pretty good point about why a game like Mario Kart is ultimately going to be more successful than most of the racing games and it has very little to do with Mario believe it or not.

As racing games get more and more realistic, they become less fun to play.  Most gamers are old enough to drive cars now.  In fact, they've been driving for many many years. There's just no thrill to it anymore.  It's the same reason why adults don't do the car racing at Disney World.  Why pretend to drive when it's something that's more or less an everyday hassle?

Mario Kart on the other hand offers something different with the crazy tracks, obstacles, shells, etc.  No matter how many years of driving you do you're not going to be dodging turtle shells, racing down waterfalls, and dodging cows (well assuming you're not a really shitty driver).

That's Miyamoto's viewpoint anyway.  And we're going to a water park tomorrow for those who are curious.

But he said he was taking me to the park.  I hope you drown!

Dvader said:

I am down if you can get a jury. We can do PH right now, I will be the guy against it and was it Robio that really likes it? Well whoever it was that loved it can be the other dude. The problem is finding an impartial jury.

I am quite happy to defend Phantom Hourglass (finest Zelda game ever made), but I'm afraid this won't be the day for it.  I'm not going to be around much tonight.  Got to make it an early night as I actually am going to a water park tomorrow; Aquatica - SeaWorld's new water park.  Miyamoto may or may not actually be able to make it though.  He had a root canal today (the ice cream last night was sort of a last hurrah before going to the dentist), and he's still not feeling real well so he may have to take an extra day to just chill.

travo said:

But he said he was taking me to the park.  I hope you drown!

You got a baby to take care of. You shouldn't be trying to hang out with middle aged Japanese developers right now anyway.

SteelAttack said:

bugsonglass said:

SteelAttack said:

You going to do watersports with Miyamoto?

you are a sick sick man

He said he was going to a water park! He was asking for demanding me to say that!

You truly are a sick man.  There's nothing sick about the bromance that Miyamoto and I have going on.