I thought there were games that looked better than MGS4 when it released, obviously Crysis but also Dead Space and....I think there was one or two more. It wasn't anywhere near as jaw dropping as MGS2 was for its time. To somebody that only owned a PS3, like Vader, obviously it would seem much more impressive.

Then you also have to consider the games with graphics mods on PC that make them look in some cases insanely better than the "normal" game, like GTA 4, Skyrim, Sleeping Dogs, etc.

I'm actually starting Sleeping Dogs tonight I think...looking forward to it! I downloaded the texture mod, I wonder how much it will improve it?

No I'm serious. I'm enjoying the game a great deal. Typically if I don't like a game, I don't sarcastically compliment it. Usually I just call it a raging piece of shit and then move on.

I really fuckin hate Bayonetta.  Wish the game would end already.  I'm at Chapter 14, playing this level that's a very bad approximation of a spaceshooter ala starfox.  It's terrible, and not only that but you get taken to the start of the level practically every time you lose (even if it's the level boss).  I can't stand this kind of stupid inconsistency with checkpoints.  Makes it come across as a game made by amateurs, which I know is not true but it's still very bad.

Also can't stand the gratuitous f-word swearing in the cutscenes for effect.  And how many more times have I got to fight that stupid blond bimbo.  Should have stopped playing this trash many days ago.

Guess this is one we'll disagree on, Bugsie... I fu..dgin' LOVED Bayonetta!  

phantom_leo said:

...but... but... the space harrier music and everything...  

phantom_leo said:

Guess this is one we'll disagree on, Bugsie... I fu..dgin' LOVED Bayonetta!  

I'm - a - still gonna try and finish it.  I guess I liked it well enough for the most part to get this far.  But the random difficulty spikes, the inconcistency with the checkpoints, and the inane repetition (how many times more have I got to fight red and blue claw guys, or the blond bimbo?) really got to me and are spoiling what could have been a mostly pleasant experience.  Also sometimes the slowdown is just crippling, and I'm playing the 360 version which is supposedly night and day compared to PS3 in performance.  I dread to think what that would be like

phantom_leo said:

OMG!! OMG!! I THINK I SAW A PIXEL OUT OF PLACE!!  SCREEN-TEARING!! SCREEN-TEARING!!  METAL GEAR GROUND ZEROES IS NOW OFFICIALLY THE WORST GAME EVAR ! ! ! THERE WILL BE NO |OT| and KOJIMA IS NOW BANNED FROM TEH FORUMS!! ANYONE WHO DISAGREES SHALL BE TAUNTED AND THEN PERMA-ISP-BANNED FOR LIFE ! ! ! ONCE WE DISCOVER HOW TO DO DNA BANNING, YOU WILL THEN BE DNA BANNED FROM THE INTERNETS FOR-EVAR ! ! !

Really, Leo?  Who's being hyperbolic here?

Dvader said:

KOJIMA IS GOD.

Fox Engine just put everything to shame. And yeah IMPOSSIBLE on PS3/360.

gamingeek said:

Great rock textures but let's not get too ahead of ourselves ... Let's wait for daylight graphics running on an actual PS3/360.

Sounds to me you more than anyone is insisting nobody say a damn thing.

LOL what is the devil horn game?

robio said:

Wow, I just played Sonic CD for the first time. This is a prime example of a design team on the very top of their game.

Are you talking level design cause Sonic CDs level design is insane and atrocious. Its like the entire dev team was on LCD when they made it. 10 year olds can come up with more competent levels. The levels are a jumbled mess of platforms, roads that go nowhere, random shit in random places. One of the later levels is like 10 loops all intersecting and you have to find this one small exit in this sea of crap to get out. The bosses are pretty terrible too and that is saying a lot cause Sonic bosses are average to begin with.

There are things to like, the time travel aspect is interesting. The crazy level design does lend it self to exploration. And its still Sonic but I would say it is easily the worse of the 16 bit Sonics.

Dvader said:

Its like the entire dev team was on LCD when they made it.

That's why it's awesome!

Sonic & Knuckles is the worst of the 16-Bit Sonic games. Still a good game, though.

gamingeek said:

MGS4 was mind blowing? I think you were wowed at every new MGS game unveling? 2, 3, 4 and now Ground Zero?

That gif up there does not illustrate your point very well, it's an empty car park with some rain and wet rocks. If the in game (gameplay) graphics of ground zero match the cutscene visuals, yeah it will be fantastic looking. But I'm not watching a movie, I'm playing a game and the gameplay clips, wet rocks and rain aside do not float my boat. I would wait for daylight where you cannot hide to see how good the visuals can be. Like this:

You didnt see the gameplay footage in the other video, it shows 3 more minutes of Snake sneaking around, getting into a jeep and calling in that helicopter. Fine maybe in daylight and such it doesnt look as good, so what. NO GAME ON CONSOLES LOOK LIKE THIS. Period. I have been playing games on modern consoles for 6 years now, I have played basically every best looking game out there.

There is a CLEAR difference from how this MGS game looks, how Watch Dog looks and EVERYTHING else we have been playing for 6 years. Can it look better, everything can look better, the point is almost nothing does.

As for MGS4 if you and Yoda dont think people were freaking out about that game, remember the first trailer how everyone said it was impossible on the PS3. The reaction was huge, everyone was talking about it. Same with MGS2, it is considered one of the greatest moments in E3 history.

http://www.giantbomb.com/news/ghosts-of-e3-past-metal-gear-solid-2/1337/

OK, this is it: The number one most exciting/mindblowing/memorable/your-superlative-goes-here moment of any E3, ever (except for maybe the first time I descended the escalator at the 1997 Atlanta E3 and realized, holy crap, I want to do this stuff for a living). It's the epic Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty reveal trailer from E3 2000, the grandaddy of all tentpole E3 announcements since time immemorial. Remember how incredible this was, nine years ago?

So yes I did go crazy how other MGS games look cause they are usually graphical showcases. MGS2 and MGS4 were windows into what second gen graphics on each respected console was before the console even launched.