gamingeek said:

I think drama, but I get what you are saying. The trailers showed all the hammy Brad Pitt moments when the film was mostly serious and slow paced. In fact the film is barely about the Bastards. It's mostly about the cinema owner and the Jew Hunter.

Christoph Waltz, was he the Jew Hunter actor? Amazing that he speaks 4 languages like that.

Was suprised that they didn't do anything better with Hugo Steigletz character.

Yep, the trailers played it up to be Tarantino's version of the Dirty Dozen I think. Maybe a little goofier than that.  Totally not what we got.

And yes Waltz played the Jew Hunter.  He was pretty much the only thing that kept me watching.  

Remember to watch the proper version which is parts 1 and 2, totalling about 2 and a half hours each.

Also saw this.

Pretty good, nice music and suprisingly dark in tone at times, like when the bad dude wants to have sex with the woman or burn her alive. And when he tried to throw a baby down a well.

At the end it pissed me off when Quasimodo put the good looking gals hand in the good looking guys hand. So I threw the disc on the floor in disgust. Don't worry, it was just an off TV recording.

It just didn't gel with any kind of message about Quasimodo and inner beauty and all that crap.

I Love Huckabees: 8/10

Brilliant film, but everyone seems to hate it or misunderstands it IMO. As far as I can tell it's making fun of the philosophies in question, rather than trying to make you think about them and your life...

Easy Virtue: 6/10

"Who is this woman you have pitchforked into the family?"
Some brilliant lines in this silent film! It's Hitchcock so there's awesome shots etc. as you'd expect. The version I saw was only 60 minutes long instead of the 70 or 80 minute versions, and something felt odd. If it was a better release, would possibly get a higher score. Telephone operator scene ftw!

Legend: 7/10

Probably the most successful Ridley Scott film I've seen. Not fantastic, but I liked it. Used to hate it. Tim Curry is always fantastic, though. Got to love Tim Curry.

Ladyhawke: 7.5

I wasn't expecting much, but this was really good! Broderick is brillaint, well so is the whole cast! Special mention to John Wood. Such brilliant pressence. And it's funny seeing Rutger Haur not playing a villain. Nicely shot too.

Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance/Oldboy: 10/10, 8/10

Wow, Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance is amazing. Better than Oldboy in every way. Better shot, better performances, better use of sound, better writing. Amazing film. It's also less violent than Oldboy, even though it's meant to be more. That'd be because the violence actually has a lot of impact, unlike in Oldboy. One of the best black comedies of all time. Masterpiece.

Oldboy is very good too, though.

gamingeek said:

WHAT.

THE.

F*CK?

I hate Sympathy for Mr Vengeance, it's the only Park Chan wook film I don't like. It's so callous, cold and violent and quiet. Less violent than Oldboy? WTF?!!!! No.

There's a distinct lack of music and of emotion and it doesn't showcase any particularly good camera work, which he is famed for. Nor does it come up with a clever, memorable ending like JSA or Oldboy.

Best black comedies of.... WTF? You found that film funny? You are one sick puppy. A black comedy is something like The Host.

 There is distinctly less violence than there is in Oldboy. The difference is the violence in Oldboy has no emotional impact save for a couple of scenes, so there is seemingly far less. Count the number of fight scenes, and compare it to the number of "fight scenes" in SFMV. Hell, there's even more torture in Oldboy! The teeth scene, the self-torture in the final scene, and I'm probably forgetting something. But even at only two scenes of torture, that's twice as many as there are in SFMV.

As for calling it cold and callous definitely can't agree with you there. Of course those two things are a huge part of the film (and if they weren't, the films subject matter would be poorly represented), but it's also  one of the most compassionate films I've seen dealing with such themes, and was far, far more emotional than Oldboy for me as well. I really don't see how you can think it's emotionless.

The distinct lack of music is used to wonderful effect, but not everyone is going to like a minimalist approach to sound, however I also have no idea how you can think there isn't good camera work in it. It blows away the cinematography of Oldboy for me. Every shot is perfectly composed, and used to striking effect. A lot of the shots are much more clever and creative as well.

As for the ending, yeah it's not got a flashy twist, I don't see that as a problem. I certainly find it more memorable than the ending in Oldboy, though because the ending in Oldboy only really has much impact by itself on the first viewing (and the terrorists are so brilliant!). The finale's steam is lost as soon as what'shisname shoots himself, where as SFMV keeps going until the brilliant end credits' song. Oldboy is still a great film, though.

But the fact is that SFMV is a black comedy. Doesn't matter that you don't find it funny, that's still the genre. I found it funny, but that's how humour works; not everyone will get it. 

Whatever floats your boat, though.

P.S.

And you know, at least it doesn't have actual octopuses being eaten alive, unlike Oldboy. Then again it does have moths being electrocuted, so...

gamingeek said:

I found that there was less emotion attached to the violence in Sympathy, for me I got almost ZERO emotion. Which is why it felt so callous. I mean compare it with Sympathy for lady vengeance when they all gang up on that guy at the end. There is emotion there and actual sympathy.

I disagree on the camera work front, I don't know how you can even compare the films. Oldboy is recognised as a classic, Sympathy mearly looked upon.

SFMV is not a black comedy. The Host or Memories of Murder are black comedies. There is nothing to laugh about in SFMV and I really don't know how anyone could laugh at that movie. It's horrible.

You don't see it, I do, whatever does or doesn't float your boat.

Actually, SFMV is a flop, and is not even looked upon really. And in many reviews that hated it, they often say that the cinematography is fantastic, but they otherwise agree with you. Also amongst film makers it is considered by many to be a masterpiece. Both are bullshit reasons for backing up any opinions, though. I imagine that you didn't base your opinion on either film based on their reputation, and neither did I.

SFMV is a black comedy. Your reaction is not relevant. It was made with the intention of comedy. You didn't find it funny, that's fine, but it was made as a black comedy, even if it was miss-marketed as a hardboiled film which it is not in the slightest. Can't be bothered looking for any evidence here, but see director's commentary/extras where Park himself refers to it first and foremost as a comedy. That means it a comedy, whether you find it funny or not.

I feel like we're discussing whether Zelda is an RPG. Eww. I don't see that there's anything funny about Friends, and don't understand how anybody could laugh at it, but that doesn't mean it's not a comedy.

I liked it, you didn't, simple as that.

gamingeek said:

Yeah I saw both films without reading any reviews.

If it was made as a black comedy then it completely failed in its purpose.

If you are saying it's a comedy then its a woefully bad one that elicits no laughs. There is no black and white situation here. Take all the people on this site, get them to watch it and see how many come back saying its a black comedy.

Perhaps you are just a sicko.

SICKO!

Then the site has a very poorly developed sense of humour. *thinks of all the penis/testicle jokes*

Ah.

Don't worry Vader, we always have Wolverine Origins 2 to look forward too. 

I'll get us a gun and two bullets.