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Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:52:23

gamingeek said:

Yodariquo said:
gamingeek said:

The Wii is a fad and is going to burn out. You think that before it launches and then stick to it, not supporting it, so that does actually happen. You made it happen. And it could have been different, if you made it different.


Self-fulfilling prophecy would have been more succinct.

I had problems spelling fulfilling so I re-worded it. True story LOL

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Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:05:28

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There is a simple answer to why Wii-games are being reported as failures. It's because a huge number of the so called journalists within gaming media aren't journalists as much as fanboys (graphic whores at that). And as such they have still not accepted Wii for what it is but fear it because it's changing and exposing their beloved hobby to new audiances.

Many "gaming journalists" aren't better than the typical 15-20 year old male posting on gaming forums. HD = awesome. Wii = toy. It's sad but to me it's pretty evident that this is the case.

 The headlines today really surprised me on this story:


Reggie Fils Aime on Industry gamers

Nintendo to Third Parties: We've Done Our Job

We asked Reggie how Nintendo is addressing that situation, and how Nintendo might help out third parties.

"Let me answer the question two different ways. First, as a platform holder our responsibility is to create a large installed base for developers to create content, to provide them with the tools and the insight to help them create great games, and to have in place a profit model that motivates them to create the content and reap the rewards. We've done that; global installed base is over 67 million for Wii and there are 120 million in the DS family. So there's a large installed base, an easy platform to develop for and a strong set of tools out there," Reggie began.

"In addition to that, part of the reason why we come to a conference like this, and bring some of our key development talent is also to challenge the mindset of what content can be. To have someone like Sakamoto-san talk about Tomodachi Collection and [Metroid's protagonist] Samus and share his experiences really is a way that we're trying to encourage developers to open their mind to do different things."

Reggie also questioned the long-term sales curve of the so-called core games. "On the other hand, the interesting thing about this business is that developers love to create technically advanced games, and very visually stunning games, but the fact of the matter is not all of that content is selling exceptionally well either," he said. "Look at the most recent NPD results. I'm not sure how much was infested into a game like Dante's Inferno, or how much is invested into a game like BioShock 2, but if that sales level is the best that they will do in a particular month, and it'll fall off rapidly from there, then those games aren't going to pay off their investment. So to me, it's a much bigger question than 'why aren't developers creating core content for the Wii?' It's a much broader question: 'How can the development community create content that will strike a chord with consumers and be financially attractive?' "

And so, the third parties can go do whatever... why should Nintendo care?

Reggie responded, acknowledging that Nintendo absolutely has to continue courting developers for core content: "Well, luckily we don't have that mentality. For us, it is important that third parties bring their very best content to our platform. You could say 'Why?' It's because... well, let me focus in on the West. There are 28 million Wiis out there in the marketplace. We know, based on our data, that we've got consumers from 5 to 95 playing on that platform. The fact of the matter is we know we create great content for younger consumers, we know we've got great content for more casual players, and we want fantastic content for that more active player who loves Metroid or Zelda but maybe also wants something like a BioShock 2 to play as well. And we also recognize that we don't create that type of content ourselves. We're not good at it and it's not a key focus area. So we want that content on our platform, so we have to court third-party developers and encourage them to make [those games], but it also has to be financially viable for them as well."

 And the headlines for this story, when reported at other sites were:

Nintendo: We’re Not Good At Making Core Games

http://www.edge-online.com/news/nintendo-we’re-not-good-at-making-core-games

Fils-Aime Acknowledges Nintendo Focus on Casual Games

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3178372

Nintendo: We can't make games like Bioshock

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=239278

At least the CVG title is a reasonable approximation. The other two are sensationalist BS. 


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Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:16:41

gamingeek said:

Nintendo: We’re Not Good At Making Core Games

Fils-Aime Acknowledges Nintendo Focus on Casual Games

Nintendo: We can't make games like Bioshock

Those are funny. They are essentially polite gamer versions of 'Wii sucks'. Like other software companies are masters of every genre.

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Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:26:40

angrymonkey said:

gamingeek said:

Nintendo: We’re Not Good At Making Core Games

Fils-Aime Acknowledges Nintendo Focus on Casual Games

Nintendo: We can't make games like Bioshock

Those are funny. They are essentially polite gamer versions of 'Wii sucks'. Like other software companies are masters of every genre.

 This headline, 

Fils-Aime Acknowledges Nintendo Focus on Casual Games

Is basically substituting the word "acknowledge" for "admit". 

Fils Aime admits Nintendo's focus on Casual games. They've admitted it! I've always known this but now its official! They've admit it! Go! Go tell everyone now! 

This headline is just sad, because they know its not true:

Nintendo: We’re Not Good At Making Core Games

Nintendo can't make core games eh? Like Smash Bros, Zelda, Metroid, Mario etc? Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

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Tue, 16 Mar 2010 21:37:22
Those headlines are the perfect example of what I was talking about earlier.

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Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:38:40
Isn't SMG a core game? And that's basically the best game of this gen so far.

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Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:51:40

Foolz said:
Isn't SMG a core game? And that's basically the best platformer of this gen so far.

Fixed.

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Wed, 17 Mar 2010 06:04:47

SteelAttack said:

Foolz said:
Isn't SMG a core game? And that's basically the best game of this gen so far.

Fixed.

Fixed again.

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Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:54:20

Ravenprose said:

SteelAttack said:

Foolz said:
Isn't SMG a core game? And that's basically the best game of this gen so far, from my perspective of course, since I realize I am not the voice of everyone's tastes.

Fixed.

Fixed again.

Fixed again.

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Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:16:53

SteelAttack said:

Ravenprose said:

SteelAttack said:

Foolz said:
Isn't SMG a core game? And that's basically the best game of this gen so far, from my perspective of course, since I realize I am not the voice of everyone's tastes.

Fixed again.

 Everyone agrees though. Nyaa

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html

And GTA IV is next LOL

Edited: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:17:44

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Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:18:32

gamingeek said:

SteelAttack said:

Ravenprose said:

SteelAttack said:

Foolz said:
Isn't SMG a core game? And that's basically the best game of this gen so far, from my perspective of course, since I realize I am not the voice of everyone's tastes.

Fixed again.

Everyone agrees though. Nyaa

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html

And GTA IV is next LOL

Pfft. Not even close to the magnificence of Mass Effect. Nyaa

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Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:21:09

SteelAttack said:

gamingeek said:

SteelAttack said:

Ravenprose said:

SteelAttack said:

Foolz said:
Isn't SMG a core game? And that's basically the best game of this gen so far, from my perspective of course, since I realize I am not the voice of everyone's tastes.

Fixed again.

Everyone agrees though. Nyaa

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html

And GTA IV is next LOL

Pfft. Not even close to the magnificence of Mass Effect. Nyaa

 But... Tekken 3 sits on top of Mass Effect 2 Nyaa Straddling it, in a reverse cowgirl position. 

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Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:22:46

gamingeek said:

SteelAttack said:

gamingeek said:

SteelAttack said:

Ravenprose said:

SteelAttack said:

Foolz said:
Isn't SMG a core game? And that's basically the best game of this gen so far, from my perspective of course, since I realize I am not the voice of everyone's tastes.

Fixed again.

Everyone agrees though. Nyaa

http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.html

And GTA IV is next LOL

Pfft. Not even close to the magnificence of Mass Effect. Nyaa

But... Tekken 3 sits on top of Mass Effect 2 Nyaa Straddling it, in a reverse cowgirl position.

Fuck Tekken 3. And 4 and 5 and 6 and whichever comes next. Nobody plays them anyway. Nyaa

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Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:27:21

HEY!!! I play Tekken 1, 2, 3, Tag, 4, 5, and 6. Nyaa

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Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:28:34

Holy shit! I see the pattern. Tekken Tag 2 is going to be next! Grinning

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Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:30:42

Archangel3371 said:

Holy shit! I see the pattern. Tekken Tag 2 is going to be next! Grinning

It's all part of a carefully designed plan. LOL

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Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:34:54

SteelAttack said:


Archangel3371 said:


Holy shit! I see the pattern. Tekken Tag 2 is going to be next! Grinning

It's all part of a carefully designed plan. LOL

 

Carefully designed plan? It's sheer genius! I haven't seen this level of complexity since the DaVinci Code. Nyaa

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Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:35:35

SteelAttack said:

Archangel3371 said:

Holy shit! I see the pattern. Tekken Tag 2 is going to be next! Grinning

It's all part of a carefully designed plan. LOL

 We should play a game where we buy up all old copies of Tekken and hide your Mass Effect disc in one random box. Then throw you into the room to find it. 

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Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:23:11

Archangel3371 said:

Holy shit! I see the pattern. Tekken Tag 2 is going to be next! Grinning

I actually loved TTT! Sad

I wouldn't mind seeing a revival at all.

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Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:49:53

gamingeek said:

SteelAttack said:

Archangel3371 said:

Holy shit! I see the pattern. Tekken Tag 2 is going to be next! Grinning

It's all part of a carefully designed plan. LOL

We should play a game where we buy up all old copies of Tekken and hide your Mass Effect disc in one random box. Then throw you into the room to find it.

Its magnificence will shine like a beacon of light through the poop.

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