She could have rolled up the speech like a joint and smoked it.
Or she should have shown she was looking at Playgirl magazine behind the speech papers.
Ravenprose said:Pelosi's nonsense pales in comparison to the absolute bullshit incompetence/ trickery that's going on with the Iowa causus results.
that's cause Pelosi rolled up all the ballots and smoked them.
gamingeek said:that's cause Pelosi rolled up all the ballots and smoked them.
Just the votes for Bernie
^It's comforting to know that Trump being allowed to run for president wasn't really that much of a challenge to cynicism, after all.
Who would have thought?
Also, mines, really? Is that just because Obama enacted the moratorium, or are mine-producers bribing the GOP, or does America just want to show it doesn't care about killing civillians? Or is this a subtler way of funding terrorists organisations America is "fighting". Blow up people to encourage radicalisation, then the mine battery runs out and they can easily salvage them. Hey, that's actually pretty clever!
Trump has
- Solicited a foreign government for election interference
- Told his staff to defy congressional supoenas
- Been accused of rape and/or sexual assault by over 20 women
- Completely ignored the emoluments clause from day 1
- Enacted border policies that has created concentration camps for children of asylum seekers
- Suggested the imprisonment or death of poltiical rivals and journalists
The idea that Pelosi tearing up a copy of his speech is somehow an affront to decency is worrying about whether the linen is fresh while the house burns down.
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Tell me to get back to rewriting this site so it's not horrible on mobileWasn't it Obama that built the concentration camps? Or are you referring to a change in policy in their use?
Concentration camps is a pretty loaded term. And yes, Obama started them, don't take my word for it, listen to the ACLU, "immigration enforcement system that had been plagued by brutality and lawlessness long before Trump was elected."
When you have 76,000 people come over the border in one month, you have to house them somehow, please refer to the NYTimes article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/us/border-crossing-increase.html
Sorry that the USA is so popular that people want to move here, but 76,000 uninvited guests a month means that exigent circumstances are going to exist. I hope that we except all 76,000 a month by the way, I like the moxie of people that love the USA so much they are prepared to break the law to join us, but in an organised society you have to process people before you open the borders and make sure they are not going to harm the ones that have already made their way in.
Comment above is from someone who got into the USA with $20 in my pocket and did whatever I could to become a citizen, despite the intentions of an immigration system that has been hostile since the 1900's.
The child separation policy is new to this administration and that's where the concentration camp label largely comes into play. Also new is the targeting of asylum seekers, and the conditions are severely worsening. Children dying in custody was not a thing before this administration. The driving force is that now cruelty is the point.
Per child separation: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/
Targeting asylum seekers: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/01/a-new-report-shows-how-the-trump-administration-is-targeting-asylum-seekers/
Deaths in detention centers as of June 2019: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/24-immigrants-have-died-ice-custody-during-trump-administration-n1015291
On the use of the term "concentration camp": https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27813648/concentration-camps-southern-border-migrant-detention-facilities-trump/
Most details in a single article: https://www.newsweek.com/migrant-detention-centers-trump-obama-1447160
The three worst aspects of Obama's tenure were NSA surveillance expansion, whistleblower prosecution, and its immigration policy. It was bad before, and it's worse now. You can argue where the line is. The general point was there are dozens of disastrous and offensive things happening right now that are affecting people's lives, yet there's somehow room for a decorum complaint about a 70 year old woman tearing a print copy in half.
Comment above from someone in the American immigration system right now.
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Tell me to get back to rewriting this site so it's not horrible on mobileIn Australia the people who are not in the immigration system are the ones whose commentary on immigration policy are given social credibility so, as someone not in the immigration system who is also eligible for membership in three separate pedigree-based historical societies in Australia, including two pioneer clubs, I'd like to thank both of you for clearing up my confusion, and reminding me of why I wasn't sure it was Obama (but might have been Bush) who built the concentration camps: the establishment of ICE.
There is no arguing against the use of the term concentration camp. Any other term is doublespeak. The simplest, most easily applicable way to remember what a concentration camp is is that they are for imprisoning people who do not face a criminal trial*: applying for asylum (or a green card) is not illegal. This is why it's so important for governments running concentration camps to falsely label immigrants and asylum seekers as criminals, whether they call them "illiegal immigrants" or "rapists and thieves", so that it appears as if they're imprisoning criminals. But even if they were impisoning criminals, if it's without criminal trial, then they're running concentration camps! It really is a simple as that. If anyone is squamish about the use of the term, then they should first consider why that is, and then simply remember that not all concentration camps are created equal, nor is a labour or extermination camp in this context the same thing as a concentration camp (even though those things are concentration camps: remember, not all concentration camps are created equal).
*Of course this only aplies to civillians.
Oh, and I thought both your posts were great as anyone interested in what you were saying can read in detail about your points! Unlike mine, which offers no citations; but it's such a basic thing feel free to google it and find out I'm correct. The definitions in Yoda's link are also good, so consider that my source if you like!
Incidentally, if anyone is worried about the potential dangers posed by mass migration, migrants (in America, anyway) actually committ less crime than the "native" population! The studies in that meta-analysis (there are a numerous others ones that all reach similar conclusions) are based on immigraton systems that predate and include ICE and concentration camps, so clearly you're getting less crime with migrants regardless of how punitive your policies are. (I should also add, as it is unclear in the above article, that the little evidence there is suggests that this applies to undocumented immigrants as well, so public safety isn't necessarily a reasonable justification for ardent migration systems of any sort, let alone punitive ones.)
Personally, my ideal migration system would be one in which native populations are regularly swapped between nations. According to trends, this would eventually eradicate all crime.
Seems like it'll be canceled at the end of the primaries, though...
So, hot on the heels of trying to make internet encryption illegal, the next thing the home of free speech and liberty is considering is suspending habeas corpus to deal with a virus lol.
Or she should have dumped a bucket of cold ice from a bucket on top of him, then flipped off the audience.