Dvader said:

^ Listen to yourself?! In 4 years?? You want to wait 4 years for the Mario game that was promised this year. They said we were getting the next big Mario game THIS YEAR. They lied. They showed us a bullshit picture of Zelda WW and said it was going to look like that, they lied. They hyped a new Retro game and it is basically an upscaled Wii game of a game no one wanted (or at least didnt want from Retro)

All they did was shit on us and you want is to sit and wait.  So what happens next year when there is still no new Metroid, still no new Zelda, still no Mario Universe. Keep waiting? A whole generation goes by and I just get one game of each, meh.

They fucked up E3 and since we are in E3 right now I will bash them all I want. They deserve all of it. Yeah I will be playing some awesome games on the Wii U within a year but not one of those I bought the system for.

You're pretty nuts here, I'm pragmatic and always have been, I'm looking at the big picture while you're looking down at your empty hands and shouting "WHERE ARE THE GAMES?!"

I did not say that we would have to wait 4 years, I said Wii U is 6 months old and the new Mario will be out basically 1 year into the U's lifespan. So unless you believe this is a one shot deal and EAD tokyo is going to move away from mario for their next game - it's completely reasonable, probable and likely that they are going to be making another big mario game. And they have 4 years to do it, considering how they managed to pump out Mario Galaxy 2 in record time I have no fears for the future of this franchise. And you are also severly shortchanging 3DWorld and writing it off as a piece of shit, while we should actually be reading previews and seeing if it's any good. I firmly believe it will be, this developer -this publisher- doesn't do shit games and their home console Mario, Zeldas and Karts are always better than their handheld versions. So Mario 3DLand was great, levels were too short though, the home console mario will be at least twice as good.

Your basic expectation is ridiculously high, you expect every game in the Mario/Zelda/Metroid series to be challenging for the greatest game of all time. Now it's a very nice compliment that you expect this and that Nintendo have done that over its history but the actual expectation itself is unreasonable. If anything you should be cutting them some slack given how they have delivered those greatest games of all times throughout 25 years.

And you're pretty hyperbolic on Wind Waker, Zeldinformer just did a breakdown comparing WW Wii U with Wind Waker on Dolphin.

"For the sake of keeping things even keel, I will be comparing the two versions using screen caps of the GCN version running in 720p on the Dolphin. Why use that comparison versus the original 480p? Simply because it's almost impossible to get a good screenshot in 480p since there are a lot of variables that can reflect the quality of the experience (such as the type of TV you play it on). Thus, it's easier to just compare the HD dolphin version to the HD remake. That means that it's important to note that the one major difference is that the original console release is in 480p while the new game runs in 1080p. Thus, there is actually a bigger resolution change than the following comparison screenshots will show."

And please explain when Nintendo hyped Retro's new game? Hyped? HYPED? You know the definition of this word right, just telling us that Retro have a Wii U game is not hype, it's a basic description of reality. Retro DO have a Wii U game on show.

"All they did was shit on us"

"and you want is to sit and wait"

Because expecting all these games to be revealed 6 months into the systems launch and out before Christmas is reasonable?

"So what happens next year when there is still no new Metroid, still no new Zelda, still no Mario Universe. Keep waiting? A whole generation goes by and I just get one game of each, meh"

For a start you and I have no idea what will be at next e3 but given their "rehashing" as the internet likes to put it there is a high chance that those franchises will appear at next years E3, even Miyamoto was commenting on the proper Zelda Wii U. And looking at Nintendo's history you get 2 games in these series if you are lucky, Twilight Princess was some weird cross gen anomally. There was only one Mario Platformer on N64, only one on GC. There was one SNES Zelda, 2 Zeldas on N64, one of which was a weird cut down hybrid (which I love) GC has one, Wii has one, or they both have two Zeldas, depending on how you view weird cross gen. Essentially GC had two and Wii has one.

It usually takes 4 years to a make a Zelda game, 2-3 years for a Mario but Wii was unusual in that they hit the ground running as the development environment did not change much. Now they are going with a new system, massive upgrade, new architecture Nintendo is going through all the growing pains that other companies went through in 2005-6.

Read below:

Q: So Nintendo finally has a bunch of software coming for Wii U - it was a bit slow to build up from the launch - but it seems like Nintendo has some difficulty in lining up its development teams to bring out compelling software on time for hardware launches. Why did Nintendo struggle in the same way with Wii U as it did when it launched the 3DS? If the development teams you oversee know that a hardware launch is coming, should some of them be pushing to make sure the games are ready on time?

Miyamoto: Well, obviously if you speak in terms of simple math you could say that Nintendo should just multiply its development team staff by four times and then everything would be fine, but unfortunately things aren't quite that easy. Our focus is always on delivering the highest quality content, and simply increasing the development team size isn't going to allow you to achieve the level of quality that we strive for. You really have to kind of bring those people up gradually and help teach them how to develop games in order to achieve that consistent quality level. So that's one challenge that we're always engaging with and one we're progressing on.

The other is a little bit coincidental in that the hardware jump from DS to 3DS was quite big in terms of the difference between those two [platforms] and it just so happens that that same scale of jump happened from Wii to Wii U, consecutively with those two pieces of hardware. And any time you have a big jump in the hardware technology it certainly takes the teams time to learn that and adjust their development environment in order to adapt to those big changes. So I think gradually as we're adding more staff and we're increasing our capabilities... and in the future as the hardware generation change doesn't result in significant change in the hardware environment or capabilities of the hardware, then what ends up happening is you have a smoother transition, as you saw from the Gamecube to Wii.

You can bash E3 all you want, I understand now is the time when you usually get enraged as this has happened for the past 3, maybe 4 E3's. But I can also quite reasonably disagree.

My understanding of how Nintendo work is this: They are financially conservative, very quality focused which leads to long development times, they don't really give a shit about industry wide trends, they try to be different and they might not always do what you expect. They usually put out 2 (AAA) good games a year and then a bunch of quirky stuff. They are behaving in exactly the predictable way I expect them too, nothing has changed here. They even put out N64 ports of Zelda games on GC, how is WW any different?

I would love to live in some magical world where developers made the games I wanted how I wanted but I can't. As a consumer I have to eat what I'm served. If it means waiting a little while or giving something a chance, that's life.

What we have here is this:

• Patient person + reasonable expectations = Fair satisfaction level
• Impatient person + unreasonable expecations = low satisfaction level

There is no contradiction here, we just have different expectations and tolerance levels. I am well used to the Nintendo drought game, it's hardly the first time and I always have other systems and games to play anyway. And I'm usually well informed so even if they don't show something on stage I can always know what is going on and being developed in addition to what is selected to be shown at e3.

That is the Nintendo this E3 needed. Anything less than that was a failure. GG, the truth is the Wii U is drowning, Nintendo needed their absolute best show in years to get excitement forward and they flat out FAILED. You can hang around in the corner all you want looking to the future but look around the web, around all reactions and Nintendo failed to deliver. I guess you expected a non true Mario sequel, no one on the internet did. I guess you expected a Wii upscaled basic sequel to DKCR by Retro, no one else did. You are completely out of touch with the reaction now, you can have your own that is fine but dont crap on mine when most people are thinking the same thing.

Iga_Bobovic said:

Are you using internet forums to validate your own opinion?! How pathetic. Here's reality, Nintendo is a business. They are not your friend. Stop being butthurt about it, there is no reason to get angry. Never understand the emotional outburst. It is just videogames.

I am not validating anything, just showing GG it is not just me, as if I am the only one reacting negatively. And its the internet, emotional outbursts are fun. You are an emotionless robot, of course you dont understand emotion.

Dvader said:

That is the Nintendo this E3 needed. Anything less than that was a failure. GG, the truth is the Wii U is drowning, Nintendo needed their absolute best show in years to get excitement forward and they flat out FAILED. You can hang around in the corner all you want looking to the future but look around the web, around all reactions and Nintendo failed to deliver. I guess you expected a non true Mario sequel, no one on the internet did. I guess you expected a Wii upscaled basic sequel to DKCR by Retro, no one else did. You are completely out of touch with the reaction now, you can have your own that is fine but dont crap on mine when most people are thinking the same thing.

Mob mentality and internet sentiment are not necessarily the truth man.

It's like.

Treton:  No used fees for Sony games.  You can lend out your games to your friends. PS4 = $400.  Online will cost you now, oh well.  FFXV!!!!  KH3!!!!  SHOOTERS!!!  Yeaaah bitches!! SONYYYYYY

Person 1 - WOW!  PS4 is the greatest SONY SONY SONY I LOVE YOU LOVE YOU LOVE YOU.  Please take my money now!! PLEAAAASE!

Person 2 - Dude hang on,... you know they haven't exactly said that they guarantee you there won't be all kinds of restrictions on used games etc from other publishers - just like on XBONE.

Person 1 - Fuck XBONE man. PS4 400$, ONLY!!! Oh Sony I love you so much.

Person 2 - You know, Sony came out and said they're charging yearly fees for online play.  Just like Microsoft.

Person 1 - Fuck MICROSOFT man.  Aren't you listening?  Sony man.  They love the gamerrr.  $400 console and everything is allowed.  AND FREE.  OH Jack Tretton please empragnate me NAO.  Guys who do we love?

Mob - SOOONY!

Person 1 - Who do we hate?

Mob - XBOOOOONE!

....

Next day conversation...

Iwata:  My name IWATA.  New Pokemans.  New console 3D Mario U,  Wind Waker HD, Mario Kart 8, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, New Monolith Soft RPG, indie games, and special surprise from Retro ... DKC Returns ... again!  More games to come next year for both U and 3DS.  Thank you please!

Person 1:  What the fuck is this shit?  Srsly WTF?  That's like ... only all the games Iwata said they were going to show!

Person 2:  Well, yeah.  But we got to see the new 3D super mario.

Person 1:  Fuck you man.  That ain't no real 3D super mario.  Where's Super Mario Space Nebulae?  Where's Super Mario Solar System?  Where's Super Mario Infinity?  A cat-suit and 4-way multiplayer?  Fuck super mario and iwata in the ass.  They showed NOTHING man.  NINTENDO has N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

Person 2: Well, yeah.  There was also new donkey kong country from Retro.

Person 1: FUCK new donkey kong from Retro.  That's bullshit.

Person 2: Why I thought you loved donkey kong country returns last year?

Person 1:  Well yeaaah!  But that don't mean I want a sequel.  They ought to be working on Metroid.

Person 2:  Wouldn't that be a sequel?

Person 1:  Fuck you man, stop trying to confuse me.  Nintendo is dead to me D-E-A-D.  Guys who do we hate?

Mob - Nintendo.

Person 1:  Who do we hate even more?

Mob - Reggie!!!!

Person 1 is right.

Another thing, I don't want Prime 4. I want a full on third person Metroid game that is nothing like Other M, please not like that. If retro is working on it, great if not I hope it's a team that is trying some new amazing things.

I want Nintendo to surprise us with new gameplay ideas like they used to. I have no worries a out Zelda cause that is the only franchise that tries something totally different with each installment. If the next Zelda is Skyward Sword 2 I would throw my wii u in the trash.

phantom_leo said:

...but if you try sometimes well you might find you get just what you need.

I think its more... if you cant be with the one you love, love the one your with, love the one your with. Do do do do do do dodo.

edgecrusher said:

I would actually like open world Super Mario and Metroid entries on Wii U, loosly based off of Mario Sunshine and Metroid Prime just less linear.

The games Nintendo has coming definitely look GOOD, I just expected more and I know they could have done BETTER. Normally, you want the 1st year's wave of games to be the giant gamer's dream games, like on Gamecube with Metroid Prime, Resident Evil remake, Mario Sunshine, and Zelda Wind Waker. r on Wii with Metroid Prime 3, Mario Galaxy, Zelda Twilight Princess and more. Then, you follow those up with the B-level excitement entries in following year.

On Wii U, I feel like Nintendo is doing the OPPOSITE.....giving everyone the safe, cheaper, quirky stuff FIRST, Mario 3D World, New Luigi U, Wind Waker HD (REmake it is NOT) New Donkey Kong U, etc....to be followed up 2 or 3 years from now with the big grand Push Wii U to the limits experiences that most people want NOW, like a Mario Universe, Metroid U, new Zelda, etc.

Basically, we are getting the filler games first, then the grand course meal 2nd or 3rd.

Great post. For me this is mostly about Mario and the playing with expectations. I wanted that one game this year, the one I can point to and say "I bought the system for that" I was ready for that big Mario game this year. That is all I wanted, cause even if no other games were announced I k sw I would be playing something magical.

Dvader said:

Leo I didn't want Galaxy 3. I wanted the next evolution of 3D Mario where ever that might take us. Bigger worlds maybe? Crazy new gameplay ideas revolving around touch pad. Some brand new mechanic that defines the game like gravity did in Galaxy.

But this is all ok cause next year they will show Super Mario & Sonic World developed by Nintendo.

Actually the setting of the new Mario and Luigi game would be perfect for a new Galaxy. Can you imagine a dream setting? It will be even more surreal than the space setting in Galaxy. First you are in space, then you are floating in mid air, than suddenly you are 8-bit style and after that photo realistic. Anything goes!

Dvader said:

Another thing, I don't want Prime 4. I want a full on third person Metroid game that is nothing like Other M, please not like that. If retro is working on it, great if not I hope it's a team that is trying some new amazing things.

I want Nintendo to surprise us with new gameplay ideas like they used to. I have no worries a out Zelda cause that is the only franchise that tries something totally different with each installment. If the next Zelda is Skyward Sword 2 I would throw my wii u in the trash.

Actually the core 3rd person part of other M would be perfect. Get rid of the first person sections and give us nunchuck-wiimote controls. You want to shoot, just point and shoot  while moving around. Improve the level design and put the same power up system like the old games. And hire an editor who's job is to kick Sakamoto in the balls when he even thinks about writing a story.

But alas Metroid kinda has the same status as F-Zero right now