^ regarding those shit tons of money, I wonder how well Switch2 will sell.  It'll undoubtly sell very fast during the launch period, but I wonder if it'll keep selling after the core gamers have all bought one.  Inflation is all good and well, but I feel the Switch2 will be too expensive for parents to go out and buy one, let alone more, for their kids.  And yeah, often the argument is made that a lot of kids these days carry around iPhone's and iPads, but those are often handdowns from when the parents themselves overspend on the latest iTat.  It'll do good, but I don't see it selling Switch numbers.

On the matter of what might impact their sales I'm not buying the argument that handheld PC's will undermine Switch2.  No matter what anyone wants to pretend, handheld PC's are a very niche product and in no way pose any serious competition for Nintendo.  Same goes for rumours about PS or Xbox handhelds.  Sure, they have brand recognition on their side as Nintendo does, but it's not like those will be able to provide more bang for your buck.  Sony and MS will come up against the same technical and economical limitations as Nintendo.  People seem to think that Sony could magically squeeze a PS5 in a Switch like formfactor, but that's just plain dillusional.

SupremeAC said:

^ regarding those shit tons of money, I wonder how well Switch2 will sell.  It'll undoubtly sell very fast during the launch period, but I wonder if it'll keep selling after the core gamers have all bought one.  Inflation is all good and well, but I feel the Switch2 will be too expensive for parents to go out and buy one, let alone more, for their kids.  And yeah, often the argument is made that a lot of kids these days carry around iPhone's and iPads, but those are often handdowns from when the parents themselves overspend on the latest iTat.  It'll do good, but I don't see it selling Switch numbers.

On the matter of what might impact their sales I'm not buying the argument that handheld PC's will undermine Switch2.  No matter what anyone wants to pretend, handheld PC's are a very niche product and in no way pose any serious competition for Nintendo.  Same goes for rumours about PS or Xbox handhelds.  Sure, they have brand recognition on their side as Nintendo does, but it's not like those will be able to provide more bang for your buck.  Sony and MS will come up against the same technical and economical limitations as Nintendo.  People seem to think that Sony could magically squeeze a PS5 in a Switch like formfactor, but that's just plain dillusional.

I'm thinking it will be lucky to sell half of S1, which is still pretty darn good.

So how many consoles does Nintendo have to sell in order for the Switch 2 to be considered a success?

travo said:

GG, I will get it so we can co-op together.

travo said:

I think I read somewhere that US Switch 2 preorders begin on May 9. Can anyone confirm? I can’t seem to find the article.

gamingeek said:

Spawnwave video says April 23rd Canada, can't tell if it's the same for USA.


But likely the same. Now they also found info for April 30th for preorders.


Gamestop are getting 100 per store so I wouldn't worry.

I want one from Gamestop so that I can use my trade in credit

gamingeek said:

Hey Sup I saw you in the comments section in a Eurogamer article.


I can't be bothered arguing with randoms online anymore.


Digital Foundry is facing a big backlash ATM online over their insistence on insisting Switch 2 is a PS4 like experience.


It is quite strange at times given what we know and they're making all sorts of weird comparisons.


I think the problem for them is that we already have proper comparison videos with series S and Ps5.


We may not know the TDP and radterisation, but we all have eyes. We can tell what looks better to us.


You can't change that opinion with technical puffery. I think DF takes what they think they know about the hardware and it frames their whole opinion of what a game will look like. Alex was actually getting reamed on ResetEra because he was genuinely shocked on the backlash given Switch 2s power draw wattage wtf.

The EG community is pretty welcoming, there's hardly ever any truely heated discussion going on, it's always very civil.  Their pool of frequent commenters is also smaller than you'd think.

As for comparing the Switch2 to current gen systems, the numbers are clear.  Switch2 is weaker than even the Series S.  Sure, it's more modern silicon, but that doesn't mean that those new systems are a free lunch.  Digital Foundry built a PC similarly specced to Switch 2 and DLSS alliasing would take 9ms on Switch2, which is too high to be practically usefull as that's over a quarter of the time needed to render 30fps.  I'd rather trust numbers than average Joe's eyes.  Developers have become very good at fooling us with all kinds of trickery to fake better graphics.

travo said:

I'm thinking it will be lucky to sell half of S1, which is still pretty darn good.

SupremeAC said:

The EG community is pretty welcoming, there's hardly ever any truely heated discussion going on, it's always very civil.  Their pool of frequent commenters is also smaller than you'd think.

As for comparing the Switch2 to current gen systems, the numbers are clear.  Switch2 is weaker than even the Series S.  Sure, it's more modern silicon, but that doesn't mean that those new systems are a free lunch.  Digital Foundry built a PC similarly specced to Switch 2 and DLSS alliasing would take 9ms on Switch2, which is too high to be practically usefull as that's over a quarter of the time needed to render 30fps.  I'd rather trust numbers than average Joe's eyes.  Developers have become very good at fooling us with all kinds of trickery to fake better graphics.