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Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:41:08

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there is 100% certainty that it has caused a loss of money.  Therefore he should be punished.

Unless he confessed, there's not even 100% certainty that he's culpable.

Keep in mind the issue of precedent.  This places a 1.5 million dollar fine per game for game-sharing.  How many games have you shared on PSN, Dvader?  Are you sure you've read the EULA in its entirety to know that in fact what you're doing is legitimate and not just ignored by Sony?  I doubt 20 would be a stretch; how would you like to be 30 million dollars in the hole?

Again I am not doing anything not allowed by Sony. If they wanted to they can come right out and say sharing is a ban-able offense of whatever.

Sharing it with a group of friends is one thing, sharing it with the world is another. I said the penalty this guy is getting is crazy, obviously its almost joke like just to get a point across. He should be punished reasonably. The mess of this is that this guy is probably not making money off of this, if he was selling the copies of the game he made then he should be punished severely. But it seems he is just releasing the copy into the wild which is just plain stupid. Who the hell is he to do that, its a stupid juvenile act and they should be punished like a little child so that other morons don't do the same.

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Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:53:05
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I said the penalty this guy is getting is crazy, obviously its almost joke like just to get a point across. He should be punished reasonably.

And that's what I'm getting at.  None of this "making a statement" crap, you're making a statement with a man's life.  Not only that, it affects everyone who follows him.  In terms of Sony, my point on that was that the only difference there is the ease in which you can exploit it.  I think it's unlikely that there's no provision in the EULA about sharing account information, and it's not as if it hasn't been enforced.  Remember, it's not about how many people download it, it's that it was made available, at least in terms of our discussion.  And no, I don't think you should be liable at all but that's a separate issue.

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This isn't game sharing though. He actively circumvented a copyright protection.

 You actively circumvent copyright protection if you rip a CD to listen on your computer or MP3 player.  As a Linux user, I have to do that in order to watch a DVD -- which I own -- on my computer.

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I said the penalty this guy is getting is crazy, obviously its almost joke like just to get a point across. He should be punished reasonably.

And that's what I'm getting at.  None of this "making a statement" crap, you're making a statement with a man's life.  Not only that, it affects everyone who follows him.  In terms of Sony, my point on that was that the only difference there is the ease in which you can exploit it.  I think it's unlikely that there's no provision in the EULA about sharing account information, and it's not as if it hasn't been enforced.  Remember, it's not about how many people download it, it's that it was made available, at least in terms of our discussion.  And no, I don't think you should be liable at all but that's a separate issue.

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This isn't game sharing though. He actively circumvented a copyright protection.

You actively circumvent copyright protection if you rip a CD to listen on your computer or MP3 player.  As a Linux user, I have to do that in order to watch a DVD -- which I own -- on my computer.

I don't understand what you want to do, just allow ripped games to be all over the web. Not even try to stop it. Can you stop it, probably not, but they have a right to try and they should. If this man decided to rip the game and make it available for all for shits and giggles, then he should be punished. Not in the your life is over way but some type of fine, some type of legal charge. Something that will show up in his record. Something that will make him and others to think twice before doing something like that.

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I said the penalty this guy is getting is crazy, obviously its almost joke like just to get a point across. He should be punished reasonably.

And that's what I'm getting at.  None of this "making a statement" crap, you're making a statement with a man's life.  Not only that, it affects everyone who follows him.  In terms of Sony, my point on that was that the only difference there is the ease in which you can exploit it.  I think it's unlikely that there's no provision in the EULA about sharing account information, and it's not as if it hasn't been enforced.  Remember, it's not about how many people download it, it's that it was made available, at least in terms of our discussion.  And no, I don't think you should be liable at all but that's a separate issue.

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This isn't game sharing though. He actively circumvented a copyright protection.

 You actively circumvent copyright protection if you rip a CD to listen on your computer or MP3 player.  As a Linux user, I have to do that in order to watch a DVD -- which I own -- on my computer.

 

Unless I'm mistaken there's no code that you have to hack or crack to rip a music cd. Ripping a music cd or a movie dvd to watch on your computer is very different then hacking the copyright protection and distributing the product freely over the internet.

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Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:07:00

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I don't understand what you want to do, just allow ripped games to be all over the web. Not even try to stop it. 

 Doing nothing is preferable to punishing the users that buy games legally with DRM.

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I don't understand what you want to do, just allow ripped games to be all over the web. Not even try to stop it. Can you stop it, probably not, but they have a right to try and they should. If this man decided to rip the game and make it available for all for shits and giggles, then he should be punished. Not in the your life is over way but some type of fine, some type of legal charge. Something that will show up in his record. Something that will make him and others to think twice before doing something like that.

 In this case, in principle, that I would agree with.  My problem then becomes, though, the distinction between distribution and download, and the ability to show evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.  With the fundamental way the Internet works, it is incredibly difficult to show that an individual is culpable, and it's absolutely crucial that that is understood and this is all approached with that in mind.  If there is prosecution, there by necessity has to only be that of the uploader, not downloader (it is in this case)

However, one issue I have is that the laws are there to reflect society's values, and the constitution and/or bill of rights (in the US, the latter's included in the former), provides for rights to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  It's is evident by the propagation of such media sharing that society's values, for better or worse, admittedly or not, are distancing from the ever-increasingly restrictive copyrights that have been progressing over the past century. 

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Copying music to a tape or CD and handing them out for free to friends is basically the same as downloading it for free off the internet.

Hell that started the underground metal scene in the 80's.

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Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:15:26
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 Unless I'm mistaken there's no code that you have to hack or crack to rip a music cd. Ripping a music cd or a movie dvd to watch on your computer is very different then hacking the copyright protection and distributing the product freely over the internet.

 Actually, no, you're using the term "hacking" but there's no difference.  DVDs use CSS encryption, while audio CDs vary.  I use libcss, which breaks the encryption, in order to watch them on my computer.  The only distinction you could make is that somebody else wrote libcss and libdvdread.  You explicitly made a point to say "He actively circumvented copyright" to suggest that his working around the disk encryption made it worse.  I am stating that this is part of the problem in the first place.  It's something paying customers illegally (in the US) work around to use the product the way they want.  You wanted stricter copyright law?  Welcome to the DMCA.  You know what else comes with the DMCA?  If someone files a DMCA complaint, American companies are forced to pull the content unless a counter-claim is made.  That is to say, if you post a video on Youtube, anyone from anywhere can make a frivilous copyright claim and Youtube is legally required to take down your video.  This is what "making a statement" gets you.

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Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:29:11

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Copying music to a tape or CD and handing them out for free to friends is basically the same as downloading it for free off the internet.

Hell that started the underground metal scene in the 80's.

In a literal sense yes it is, but the reality is a bit different. We grew up learning to share with others. If my friend needs to borrow a tool or something I will lend it to them. If I have a movie they want to borrow no problem. I share my hardcopy games with friends and family and they share it with me. No one, no company is going to come out and say that is a horrible illegal thing to do. The problem with digital stuff is that you can make a brand new copy, I can't make a brand new tool and give it to my friend, he needs to borrow the one I have. So yes it gets a bit iffy there, but still I feel the sentiment is the same, you are just sharing with friends.

I do believe there is a massive difference between sharing something with a close group of friends and sharing something to the world. Sharing it with 10 friends is different than sharing it with thousands or maybe a million strangers. You know what you are doing, these people that release this stuff know that they are screwing over the company that made this title. To me there is a difference between keeping sharing private between friends and going public basically.

My feelings on the matter maybe hypocritical but that is how I feel. I don't think we need to be all stiff or be an everything must be done correctly type of guy. I think normal people can tell when they are sort of bending the rules and when they are flat out breaking them and doing something that is harmful.

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Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:34:49

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Archangel3371 said:

 Unless I'm mistaken there's no code that you have to hack or crack to rip a music cd. Ripping a music cd or a movie dvd to watch on your computer is very different then hacking the copyright protection and distributing the product freely over the internet.

 Actually, no, you're using the term "hacking" but there's no difference.  DVDs use CSS encryption, while audio CDs vary.  I use libcss, which breaks the encryption, in order to watch them on my computer.  The only distinction you could make is that somebody else wrote libcss and libdvdread.  You explicitly made a point to say "He actively circumvented copyright" to suggest that his working around the disk encryption made it worse.  I am stating that this is part of the problem in the first place.  It's something paying customers illegally (in the US) work around to use the product the way they want.  You wanted stricter copyright law?  Welcome to the DMCA.  You know what else comes with the DMCA?  If someone files a DMCA complaint, American companies are forced to pull the content unless a counter-claim is made.  That is to say, if you post a video on Youtube, anyone from anywhere can make a frivilous copyright claim and Youtube is legally required to take down your video.  This is what "making a statement" gets you.

 

Well I would say that working around the encryption does make it worse because you are knowingly doing something wrong whereas when I put a music cd into my 360 and rip it to the HDD then for all intents and purposes it is considered legal because it has those very functions in it that allow me to do so. Doing that for my own personal use is fine because I already own the product. Isn't that what the "Fair Use" act supposed to cover? Willfully copying and distrubuting a product whether for personal gain or not to potentially millions of people seems like a very clear distinction of a criminal act to me.

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Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:40:34

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Dvader said:
I don't understand what you want to do, just allow ripped games to be all over the web. Not even try to stop it. 

 Doing nothing is preferable to punishing the users that buy games legally with DRM.

 

I don't like being punished for being a paying customer that's why I want them to really nail these guys asses to the wall.

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Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:55:41
YES YES YES YES YES YES!

http://www.biohaze.com/scan02.jpg

WOOOOOOOO!!!!

More scans from RE Alternate Edition at biohaze.
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Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:21:12

Awesome! Can't wait for this new RE5 stuff to hit.

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"James Burt, 24, of Sinnamon Park in Queensland will pay Nintendo $1.5 million after an out-of-court settlement was struck to compensate the company for the loss of sales revenue."

The hell?

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Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:38:20

Yodariquo said:
"James Burt, 24, of Sinnamon Park in Queensland will pay Nintendo $1.5 million after an out-of-court settlement was struck to compensate the company for the loss of sales revenue."


The hell?

 

Woah. Now that's very intriguing.

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Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:19:47

NOW YOU CAN TASTE THE WRATH OF KRATOS . . .  with the new God of War Slurpee at 7-11!!  It's bloody great!!

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Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:36:20

Dvader said:
YES YES YES YES YES YES!

http://www.biohaze.com/scan02.jpg

WOOOOOOOO!!!!

More scans from RE Alternate Edition at biohaze.

Cool!

I had no idea that the first batch of downloads will be coming out on the 17th of this month and the second one on March 3rd. The separate disc version is later in March, though. But as long as we can download this stuff earlier, I'm stoked! Grinning

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Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:55:28
Bizarre discovery: GameSpy's favicon address redirects to IGN's:

http://gamespy.com/favicon.ico

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Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:10:40

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This warrants further investigation too:

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The demo is on the Nintendo channel in both the US and europe. Checking it out, in a few minutes.

Cool!

But for some reason, I'm not as excited for this one like I was with the previous ones. Maybe it's because it's not Phoenix Wright this time and I didn't like Apollo Justice as much.

Hopefully it gets good reviews.

I'll probably pick it up when I see at the store, though.

I have chronic VGIBD..."Video Game Impulse-Buying Disorder!" Nyaa

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Yodariquo said:
Bizarre discovery: GameSpy's favicon address redirects to IGN's:

http://gamespy.com/favicon.ico

Hmmmmm, Interesting.... 

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