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[siliconera.com] Dragonball Z: Story Saiyan Raishuu more details siliconera.com Iga_Bobovic
[gonintendo.com] New WiiWare title announced - Diatomic gonintendo.com Iga_Bobovic
Icarian: Kindred Spirits to feature.... Original Soundtrack by Steven Gutheinz icariangame.com Iga_Bobovic
[nintendoeverything.com] Icarian: Kindred Spirits - more screens nintendoeverything.com Iga_Bobovic
[gonintendo.com] Akinai Games Officially Launches Evasive Space on WiiWare gonintendo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gonintendo.com] Europe - Ahoy, Mateys! Pop-Up Pirate!TM Sets Sail Onto WiiWare gonintendo.com Iga_Bobovic
Last Bullet - more screens dengeki.com Iga_Bobovic
[destructoid.com] Robocalypse sequel coming to the Wii move over Halo Wars destructoid.com Iga_Bobovic
[gonintendo.com] Swords and Soldiers - new trailer gonintendo.com Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] Eurogamer Reviews GTA IV: the Lost & Dammed 8/10 eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] GTA IV: Lost and Damned The Lost vs Angels of Death Gameplay gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] GTA IV: Lost and Damned Story Gameplay gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] GTA IV: Lost and Damned Intro gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Sacred 2 : Fallen Angel displayed gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Stormrise : new pictures gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Puzzle Quest Galactrix : new images gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Need For Speed : Shift revealed gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Halo Wars: UNSC vs. Covenant Rock, paper, SPARTAN. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] GTA IV: The Lost and Damned Single-Player IGN Verdict ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Resistance: Retribution Video Story Feature ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Resistance: Retribution Reconnaissance IGN is kicking off a series of videos that'll take you behind enemy lines. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] C64 Coming to VC? ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[siliconera.com] An Analysis Of MadWorld’s Marketing It is even on sherdog siliconera.com Iga_Bobovic
[nintendoeverything.com] Capcom elaborates on Zack & Wiki, Okami sales They sold bad nintendoeverything.com Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] No Captain Kirk in Star Trek Online It just wouldn't make historical sense. eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] Guild Wars 2 suffers huge delay MMO sequel now "TBA 2010/11" eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] DS Rhapsody remake for March Musical RPG returns with new bits. eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] Rockstar: GTA DLC amounts to full game "There's nothing like it," apparently eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] Eurogamer Reviews Street Fighter 4 10/10 eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] Bonus Round Season Premiere Part 1: Resident Evil 5 Dissected gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] The King of Fighters '98: Ultimate Match Ultimate Mondays: Stronger, Faster, Better Trailer gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] 7th Dragon is showing its classes gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Mega Man Star Force 3 : new images gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Shining Force Feather exposed gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Mad World : new screenshots gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Alganon Status Interview Quest Online offers an update on its fantasy-themed massively multiplayer endeavor and its distinctive elements ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Singularity screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Singularity Concept Art ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Singularity IGN First-look Time-travelling weaponry, Godzilla-sized boss encounters and more revealed. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Blue Dragon Screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon IGN Review A reminder that Nintendo can make a hardcore game when it wants to. 8.5 ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Monster Hunter G screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamasutra.com] COD WOW sales analysis Gaining on PS3 and Wii gamasutra.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] SEGA Megadrive collection trailer gamekyo.com gamingeek
[gamesradar.com] SFIV Gamesradar review No score???? gamesradar.com gamingeek
[ign.com] GI Joe IGN preview ign.com gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] MGS4 goes to budget platinum range Cheaper in Europe in march computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
[edge-online.com] Square Enix Japan sales DQV sells 1.2 million edge-online.com gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] SFIV CVG Review 9.5 computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] RE5: Does a day go by? Without new pics? gamekyo.com gamingeek
HOTD Overkill Bit Tech review 8/10 bit-tech.net gamingeek
HOTD Overkill review BGB "Infinitly replayable" britishgaming.co.uk gamingeek
Saturday Night Live Wii sketch Alec Baldwin jerking off? 1up.com gamingeek
Harmonix sue over patent Konami in trouble? 1up.com gamingeek
[edge-online.com] Halo wars EDGE mag review 7/10 edge-online.com gamingeek
[edge-online.com] Sony closing flagship stores edge-online.com gamingeek
[edge-online.com] Square Enix suffering sales Poor sales lead to cuts edge-online.com gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] MS: 360 selling more than PS3 In Europe. Ignores Wii gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] Lionhead leak old games computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
[eurogamer.net] Syphon Filter PS3 coming? eurogamer.net gamingeek
Survivors: Lionheads Cancelled game pics gfdata.de gamingeek
Operation Flashpoint 2 images gfdata.de gamingeek
FFXIII pics imagebam.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Dead to Rights, more screens gamekyo.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Yakuza 3 scans gamekyo.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Robot studios gets Ensemble staff gamekyo.com gamingeek
[thevgpress.com] Notable New Releases:(2/15-2/21) Yeah. It's me again! thevgpress.com phantom_leo
[gamekyo.com] ArmA 2 : new video gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] God of War III : new pictures gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Kingdom Hearts : 358/2 Days new scans gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Empire: Total War – 10 Things You Need to Know From historically accurate moustaches to Sir Isaac "duelling champion" Newton, this game has it all. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Scout Update for TF2 Coming ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] World in Conflict Trailer Berlin Trailer ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Wanted Blog ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Prototype Blog ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] New Final Fantasy XIII Characters Revealed Spikey hair guy, goggle boy, and "the girl." ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[gonintendo.com] Spectral Force: Genesis - details, boxart gonintendo.com Iga_Bobovic
[youtube.com] Phoenix Wright: The Musical - footage youtube.com Iga_Bobovic
[youtube.com] Pirates: The Hunt for Blackbeard’s Booty review youtube.com Iga_Bobovic
[youtube.com] Broken Sword - footage youtube.com Iga_Bobovic
What’s Killing the Video-Game Business? I blame Fedor slate.com Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] Mass Effect joins Classic range in March Extra disc of content and only 20 quid. eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] GTAIV DLC features male nudity eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] Eurogamer Reviews two games Mystery P.I. Portrait of a Thief & Amazing Adventures: The Forgotten Ruins eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] Street Fighter IV Gametrailers Review gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] Final Fantasy VII: AC Complete North American Debut Teaser gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Killzone 2 : a short advertising gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] New pictures of the BSAA members of RE5 gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Valkyrie Profile dated and imaged gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Disgaea 3 : french's images gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Star Ocean 4 shows more pictures gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Street Fighter IV : new gameplay video gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Alawar Entertainment Announces Holly 2: Magic Land Alawar announces new casual hidden object game. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Wind Slayer Interview - Part 1 North American publisher Outspark airs information on Hamelin's colorful side-scroller, which is now in open beta ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Silkroad Online Guidebook #54 Joymax has designed Chinese swords to suit those players who like to administer both physical and magical damage ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Rare to Restructure Potential job losses at Twycross studio. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] More Crystal Defenders For Wii Square Enix announces a sequel before we've even gotten the first one! ign.com Iga_Bobovic
More Mass Effect DLC Coming Bioware Says So 1up.com edgecrusher
FFXII And Vagrant Story Designer Working On MadWor Legendary Yasumi Matsuno 1up.com edgecrusher
Want to waste $15 today? DL Ghoulies off LIVE! 1up.com edgecrusher
[ign.com] Beyond Good & Evil 2 What to Expect ign.com edgecrusher
[youtube.com] Zelda: Majora's Mask Music Video 'Full Moon' Vader you better watch this youtube.com Iga_Bobovic
[youtube.com] Zelda: Wind Waker Music Video by Tenacious D - Wonderboy youtube.com Iga_Bobovic
[gonintendo.com] NGamer - review scores gonintendo.com Iga_Bobovic
Evasive Space - review 5/10 Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck wiiware-world.com Iga_Bobovic
Europe -Namco promising Tales of Symphonia 2 in 2009. No, we want FRAGILE n-europe.com Iga_Bobovic
[nintendoeverything.com] Grand Theft Auto, now with bloody heart-holding Sorry MadWorld did it first nintendoeverything.com Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] Eurogamer Reviews White Knight Chronicles 8/10 eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] Eurogamer fuck up the Deadly Creature Review 4/10 eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War II IGN Review Relic conquers new territory with its hybrid-RTS sequel. 9.0 ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] Burnout Paradise: The Ultimate Box 88 Special Trailer gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] Burnout Paradise: The Ultimate Box Manhattan Spirit Trailer gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] Sacred 2: Fallen AngelMaking Of: Part 2 gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] Race Pro Exclusive Launch Trailer gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] Super Meat BoyExclusive Teaser Wiiware game gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] GTA IV: Lost and Damned Review Gametrailers Review gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] GTA IV: Lost and Damned Full Monty Gameplay *Contains Nudity* gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Ready 2 Rumble Revolution gameplay video (3) gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Ready 2 Rumble Revolution gameplay video (2) gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Ready 2 Rumble Revolution gameplay video (1) gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] 16 minutes of gameplay for Star Ocean 4 gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Phantom Brave : few images gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Dragon Quest IX : new pics gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Bleach: Dark Souls illustrated gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Review: Colour Cross gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Avalon Code : new trailer gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Sonic and the Black Knight : another video Die already gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Cities XL Screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Braid Gets a Release Date   Preorders available through Stardock's Impluse service.   ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Cross Fire Announces Its Open Beta Success More than 25,000 players have joined the Cross Fire community. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Penumbra Collection Is Released The PC horror trilogy hits North American stores. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Men of War Demo Is Available Single-player demo gives first taste of the campaign in the upcoming World War II RTS. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] GTA IV: The Lost and Damned IGN Review Less Niko, more dong. 'Nuff said. 9.0 ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Halo Wars: Multiplayer Maneuvers How to lose friends and alienate aliens. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] X-Men Origins: Wolverine IGN Hands-on 10 reasons why it rocks ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Riddick Trailer ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] PoP: Epilogue Trailer ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Get Your Rhythm this April Nintendo's "tap and flick to the beat" DS game will ship day and date with DSi. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Namco Bandai Pushes DSi Katamari Damacy puzzler, Mr. Driller, and more on the way! ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Final Fantasy CC Screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Mario & Luigi RPG 3 Hands-on Or "Bowser: Up Close and Personal." ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] US Nintendo DSi Hands-on IGN's impressions of the English version of Nintendo's enhanced handheld. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Dee Jay and T. Hawk coming soon to SFIV? Wow! That's so NOT a surprise! ign.com phantom_leo
X-Play facing cutbacks 1up.com gamingeek
[edge-online.com] Microsoft announce E3 breifing time edge-online.com gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] Xbox Live bug hitting accounts gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] More Killzone 2 videos Look at the bra shooter computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
[eurogamer.net] White Knight Chronicles Eurogamer review 8/10 eurogamer.net gamingeek
[gamasutra.com] SFIV Critical Reception How do they rate Cammy's ass? gamasutra.com gamingeek
[gamasutra.com] DSi out in US April 5th Let the milking commence gamasutra.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Marbles Balance Challenge video gamekyo.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] More Muramasa pics Demons and blades gamekyo.com gamingeek
[ign.com] Dead Space IGN Wii interview Is it on rails? ign.com gamingeek
Development costs out of control Editorial - required reading slate.com gamingeek
[eurogamer.net] Dead Rising 2 Interview Inafune on sourcing out eurogamer.net gamingeek
[eurogamer.net] Katamari creator interview Noby boy and more eurogamer.net gamingeek
[gamasutra.com] E3 interview Bringing back the buzz gamasutra.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Dead Space Extraction First Wii trailer gamekyo.com gamingeek
[edge-online.com] More Sora Nintendo details Sakurai's new studio edge-online.com gamingeek
[edge-online.com] MS trying to buy Motion tech company Ah well. edge-online.com gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] Microsoft braces for revenue hit Head between the legs time gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] Japan 2008 DS dominates 50% of sales gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] Xbox mag reviews RE5 Uh oh, 81 % computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] COD Modern Warfare 2 Devs want your ideas computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
FFXIII scans 2 imagebam.com gamingeek
FF XIII scans 1 imagebam.com gamingeek
[joystiq.com] Capcom still working on Tatsukono rights Will it ever come westwards? joystiq.com gamingeek
We Ski and Snowboard screens wiiz.fr gamingeek
Madworld 2 possible thatvideogameblog.com gamingeek
Resident Evil: The lamest moments All in RE3? gamedaily.com gamingeek
[youtube.com] Must see Mario Galaxy music video Done to Queen track youtube.com gamingeek
[cubed3.com] Headstrong want to do Virtua Cop And Jet Set Radio sequel cubed3.com gamingeek
Tenchu Shadwow Assasins interview Music gamesetwatch.com gamingeek
Avalon Code 1up preview 1up.com gamingeek
[ign.com] Dead Rising: Chop Till You Drop IGN Preview ign.com gamingeek
[ign.com] MadWorld month: The Weapons ign.com gamingeek
SEGA: Wii is this gens PS2 Reaches the whole market blogfaction.com gamingeek
HOTD Overkill review Kombo says impressive kombo.com gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] EIDOS supporting SE take over gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[gonintendo.com] Square Enix sales in pictures gonintendo.com gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] Industry Professionals Pick Wii As 2009s biggest success gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[vg247.com] Bethesdas Wii game is...... A mini-game fest vg247.com gamingeek
[kotaku.com] Nintendo starts new company Project Sora Sakurai Returns to Nintendo kotaku.com darthhomer
Yakuza 3 gets 38/40 from Famitsu Now would somebody please localise it! ps3center.net Foolz
[gonintendo.com] Rabbids Go Home listed for Wii Oh Gawwwwwwwwd gonintendo.com gamingeek
Atushi Inaba Madworld interview developmag.com gamingeek
Conduit hands on "It feels like Goldeneye" n-europe.com gamingeek
[eurogamer.net] Mirrors Edge time trial DLC out soon eurogamer.net gamingeek
[nintendoworldreport.com] Metroid Prime Wii Hands on IR control nintendoworldreport.com gamingeek
[edge-online.com] RE5's Tight Spot Editorial EDGE online edge-online.com gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] Midway delisted from the NYSE gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] Rare axe artists and engineers .......... gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[ign.com] Dead Space Editorial IGN defend Extraction ign.com gamingeek
[eurogamer.net] Rare considering Ghoulies sequel? WTF? eurogamer.net gamingeek
DIRT2 pics gfdata.de gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Sony recruiting hardware testers gamekyo.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Capcom to announce new 360 game Because they aren't making enough? gamekyo.com gamingeek
[gonintendo.com] Rumour: Brutal legend Coming to Wii? gonintendo.com gamingeek
Ghostbusters: The Video Game - preview G4 video preview g4tv.com gamingeek
20 minutes of Deadly Creatures truegameheadz.com gamingeek
[edge-online.com] Valve: Games are too expensive Stand up for gamers guys!!!! edge-online.com gamingeek
[gonintendo.com] Phantasy Star Zero - more screens gonintendo.com gamingeek
[ign.com] Inafune talks about Capcom Wii support Talks about Monster Hunter 3 ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] Eurogamer Reviews Nobi Nobi Boy 9/10 eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] Eurogamer Reviews Dragon Quest V eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] LocoRoco 2 GametrailersReview gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Phantasy Star 0 : new images gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Atlus shares a video of Persona on PSP gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Sega shows more pictures of Stormrise gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Nintendo announced the EU release date for the DS 3rd of April, 2 days before the yanks gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Sins of a Solar Empire: Entrenchment Exclusive IGN's has an amazing new trailer that shows the star bases in all their glory! ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Unreal Tournament III: Titan Pack ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Resident Evil 5 Art ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Scratch Screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Dirt 2 First Look Dirtier than Christina Aquilera ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Skate 2 DLC IGN Hands-On Three classic areas return and a new Fantasy Plaza is constructed. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Skate 2 DLC screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Resistance: Retribution Reconnaissance It's day two of IGN's behind the scenes series, and that means rocket launchers! ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Shining Force Feather Screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Characters That Should Die Sonic first ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Galactrix Blog ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Blue DSi Photos No black for the US. OMG Racism ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] DICE 2009 Keynote: Gabe Newell Valve's head talks about entertainment as a service. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Onslaught IGN Hands-on A first-person shooter? Out of Japan? For the Wii? ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Onslaught Videos ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] EA: Tiger Wii MotionPlus Will reveal more on the anticipated game in mid-March. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Dead Rising Screens sniper mode ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[neogaf.com] Nintendo Voice Chat Podcast summary neogaf.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Nintendo Voice Chat Podcast Dead Space, Dead Rising, and DSi. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamespot.com] DSi Australian Launch Confirmed April 2nd, $299.95 gamespot.com darthhomer
[gamespot.com] DSi US Release Confirmed April 5th, $170 gamespot.com darthhomer
If Street Fighter IV characters were MMA Fighters! This one's for Iga. ggl.com phantom_leo
Adventure Island: The Beginning - screens (balance Master Higgins is back wiiloveit.com Iga_Bobovic
[joystiq.com] Blue Dragon Plus - impressions joystiq.com Iga_Bobovic
[gonintendo.com] Overlord Minions - fact sheet, screens gonintendo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gonintendo.com] Overlord: Dark Legend - fact sheet, trailer gonintendo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] New MadWorld trailer confirms split-screen co-op Gahhhhhhhhhhh gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
7th Dragon tidbits early Dragon Quest IX news influenced development toastyfrog.com Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] NASA MMO developers announced America's Army team involved. eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] DSiWare to get Katamari, Mr Driller Due out next week in Japan. eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] GAME doing half-price DSi deal When you trade in an old console eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] Cryostasis, MOW, NecroVision delayed eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] Eurogamer Reviews Halo Wars 8/10 eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II Eurogamer Review 8/10 eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] Jumpgate EvolutionEnter the Fray gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] Resident Evil Retrospective Episode 3 gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] House of the Dead: Overkill GT Review 7.8 gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Some more pictures for 7th Dragon gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Jumpgate Evolution Screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Warhammer Online IGN Hands On Exclusive new details of the skull smashing, limb chopping, groin stomping Slayer! ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Toys, Terrorism and Games How does a $22 million helicopter relate to game design? ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Singularity Screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] DICE 2009: Raven's Lessons Learned Move or die. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] DICE 2009: Fallout 3: The Pitt IGN Hands-on The Steelers may have won the Super Bowl, but that wasn't enough to save Pittsburgh from destruction. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Star Ocean: The Last Hope IGN Review Grab your snuggie and a caffeinated beverage, it's time for some epic JRPG action. 8.0 ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Halo Wars Review Ensemble takes Halo, and real-time strategy, to a whole new planet. 8.4 ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Sony's EU Perspective Some of Sony's most inventive titles come from across the pond. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Dirt 2 Concept Art ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Fuel Screenshots ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Flashpoint 2 Screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Yakuza 3 media blow-out 6 movies at one page! ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] DICE 2009: Singularity IGN Impressions What time is it? Who cares? Let's shoot stuff. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] DICE 2009: Building Better Worlds Panel Report What does it take to create a space that people want to live in? ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Resistance: Retribution Reconnaissance Day 3 It's time to hear the voices and see the cutscenes of Grayson's journey ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Patapon 2 IGN Video Preview Some IGN editors get their Pata on. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Riccitiello on Economy EA's CEO talks about tough times ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Valkyrie Profile Vids ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Sudoku Ball Screens heh, balls ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Overlord: Minions Screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] DSi: To Upgrade, or Not to Upgrade That's the question ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Puzzle Quest: Galactrix IGN Review The quest to marry puzzle gaming with role-playing continues. 8.4 ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Creating the Capcom Flavor Universally appealing games. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Petz Crazy Monkeyz IGN Review The boxart is the best part. 3.5 ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] MadWorld Gets Firm EU Date Coming 10 days after US release. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] DICE 2009: the award list LBP wins big, Brawl fighting game winner. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] DICE 2009: A Retailer's Perspective GameStop's COO discusses why brick and mortar sales are still important. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[edge-online.com] POP and Shaun White heading to Macs edge-online.com gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] Sony Enters Latin America Latin america quivers in delight gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[ign.com] Disney doing Wii RPG Click to see ign.com gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] Stunning riddick trailer computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] 21 Million PS3s sold Huzzah computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Need for Speed Online world trailer gamekyo.com gamingeek
[edge-online.com] SFIV and Mario RPG boost Jap sales Hardware stats edge-online.com gamingeek
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Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:40:39

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I cannot believe this. I watched the Dead Space trailer thinking it was a brand new full RE4 style original Dead Space game for the wii. I was about to run in here and proclaim how excited I was that it was not just a port but a brand new game, and that is what the wii should be getting. It was going to prove my point perfectly.

And then it became a piece of fucking shit light gun game. ARRRGH!!!!

Do the guys at EA have any originality? I know if you are going to copy someone copy the best, and they did that with Dead Space making it a very RE4ish like game. But damn it you didn't have to copy RE on the wii. Next we will have Dead Space 2 with online co-op. Umbrella Chronicles for me worked cause the RE franchise has been around for so long that I like odd experiements with franchise, they tried pseudo light gun games before but it never worked, UC nailed it. But thats all it was good for, a fun romp through the RE series, a one time cool game set in the RE universe. DS has no franchise history, DS has no reason to even try this. Its stupid.

I wanted a brand new actual RE4 like Dead Space game for the wii, not a port that would be identical, a new game with a new story but it plays the same way with added tweaks to make use of the wii, that would be perfect. But noooooo, go to hell EA.

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Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:02:46

Dvader said:

I cannot believe this. I watched the Dead Space trailer thinking it was a brand new full RE4 style original Dead Space game for the wii. I was about to run in here and proclaim how excited I was that it was not just a port but a brand new game, and that is what the wii should be getting. It was going to prove my point perfectly.

And then it became a piece of fucking shit light gun game. ARRRGH!!!!

Do the guys at EA have any originality? I know if you are going to copy someone copy the best, and they did that with Dead Space making it a very RE4ish like game. But damn it you didn't have to copy RE on the wii. Next we will have Dead Space 2 with online co-op. Umbrella Chronicles for me worked cause the RE franchise has been around for so long that I like odd experiements with franchise, they tried pseudo light gun games before but it never worked, UC nailed it. But thats all it was good for, a fun romp through the RE series, a one time cool game set in the RE universe. DS has no franchise history, DS has no reason to even try this. Its stupid.

I wanted a brand new actual RE4 like Dead Space game for the wii, not a port that would be identical, a new game with a new story but it plays the same way with added tweaks to make use of the wii, that would be perfect. But noooooo, go to hell EA.

this sums it up very well for me.  UC worked like it did for the reasons dvader says plus at least back then ... the lightgun idea was somewhat original (as there had only been ports up to that point).  supposedly UC was capcom's test for how a so called hardcore game would fare on the wii.  like the guy on gaf said: it seems we passed the test well, and the floodgates have opened for more light-gun games.

does it make me a hypocrit to want Overkill to do well and Extraction to fall flat on its face?

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Dvader said:

I cannot believe this. I watched the Dead Space trailer thinking it was a brand new full RE4 style original Dead Space game for the wii. I was about to run in here and proclaim how excited I was that it was not just a port but a brand new game, and that is what the wii should be getting. It was going to prove my point perfectly.

And then it became a piece of fucking shit light gun game. ARRRGH!!!!

Do the guys at EA have any originality? I know if you are going to copy someone copy the best, and they did that with Dead Space making it a very RE4ish like game. But damn it you didn't have to copy RE on the wii. Next we will have Dead Space 2 with online co-op. Umbrella Chronicles for me worked cause the RE franchise has been around for so long that I like odd experiements with franchise, they tried pseudo light gun games before but it never worked, UC nailed it. But thats all it was good for, a fun romp through the RE series, a one time cool game set in the RE universe. DS has no franchise history, DS has no reason to even try this. Its stupid.

I wanted a brand new actual RE4 like Dead Space game for the wii, not a port that would be identical, a new game with a new story but it plays the same way with added tweaks to make use of the wii, that would be perfect. But noooooo, go to hell EA.

this sums it up very well for me.  UC worked like it did for the reasons dvader says plus at least back then ... the lightgun idea was somewhat original (as there had only been ports up to that point).  supposedly UC was capcom's test for how a so called hardcore game would fare on the wii.  like the guy on gaf said: it seems we passed the test well, and the floodgates have opened for more light-gun games.

does it make me a hypocrit to want Overkill to do well and Extraction to fall flat on its face?

No not at all HotD has always been a lightgun game and a really good one at that. Extraction is clearly taking the easy route with the wii, making an easy dumb game to cash in on.

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Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:08:27

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Development costs article.

Wow, that is really eye opening. Games now need to sell 2 million just to break even?

That article was already posted yesterday by me. Shame on you GG! I might delete it, but now I will do the news!

Damnit, where is that link checker thing? Nyaa

Dvader said:

I cannot believe this. I watched the Dead Space trailer thinking it was a brand new full RE4 style original Dead Space game for the wii. I was about to run in here and proclaim how excited I was that it was not just a port but a brand new game, and that is what the wii should be getting. It was going to prove my point perfectly.

And then it became a piece of fucking shit light gun game. ARRRGH!!!!

Do the guys at EA have any originality? I know if you are going to copy someone copy the best, and they did that with Dead Space making it a very RE4ish like game. But damn it you didn't have to copy RE on the wii. Next we will have Dead Space 2 with online co-op. Umbrella Chronicles for me worked cause the RE franchise has been around for so long that I like odd experiements with franchise, they tried pseudo light gun games before but it never worked, UC nailed it. But thats all it was good for, a fun romp through the RE series, a one time cool game set in the RE universe. DS has no franchise history, DS has no reason to even try this. Its stupid.

I wanted a brand new actual RE4 like Dead Space game for the wii, not a port that would be identical, a new game with a new story but it plays the same way with added tweaks to make use of the wii, that would be perfect. But noooooo, go to hell EA.

But I thought you'd be happy. Now you get to play two great Dead Space games, a main game and an experimental spin off. It's a win win situation! LOL Just kidding man. I almost............ almost, blame Capcom for this with Umbrella Chronicles, they were the first. I just.... ugh, 3 years in and this is still the mindset of developers. Have you seen the reaction in comments on GAF or the IGN article? Nearly everyone hates the idea. It will probably end up quite good but its just not what people want. Adding up HOTD 2, 3, Overkill, Umbrella Chronicles AND now Dead Space, the horror lightgun genre is played out on the system now. It just is. No matter how good this could be.

I almost feel like Capcom are going to announce Resident Evil 5: Umbrella Chronicles Wii. All the best scenes from last years blockbuster with a guided cinematic experience. Look forward to it for 2010. Noooooooooooooo!

And you see the company reaction to our reactions "I honestly wasn't expecting this backlash?" this is the same kind of thing you saw with Chop Till you drop "Have we been putting all our hard work into a game no one wants? Give the game a chance"

The suits just don't get IT. I once asked Capcoms VP if they would ever consider making anymore RE4 style mature games on Wii (other than CTYD) and he replied "That's what CTYD is, a high profile mature game in the same style as RE4, we are fully committed"

Then before that he said that Capcom were making a "Lost Planet style game announcement for Wii". A couple of months later he says that he was talking about spyborgs???

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Does this look like a Lost Planet style game? There was a funny quote I saw in a Dead Space comments section, it quoted that 'guided first person experience' bit from the Dead Space interview and said: after we rid the world of lawyers can the PR people be next? LOL

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Development costs article.

this is why knowing a game like world of goo was created by a team of ... two (with a third person doing the wii translation) is to me very heart-warming and hopeful

How is that though? The credits have more than two people listed I'm sure.  


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this sums it up very well for me.  UC worked like it did for the reasons dvader says plus at least back then ... the lightgun idea was somewhat original (as there had only been ports up to that point).  supposedly UC was capcom's test for how a so called hardcore game would fare on the wii.  like the guy on gaf said: it seems we passed the test well, and the floodgates have opened for more light-gun games.

does it make me a hypocrit to want Overkill to do well and Extraction to fall flat on its face?

This is the lose lose situation Wii gamers are faced with. If the game bombs then original mature games dont sell on Wii. If it succeeds then more light versions of big brother hardcore games are on the way. RE5 on rails? Mirrors Edge on rails?

RE4 and Umbrella Chronicles passed the test that Capcom's Vice President set for us, the test was passed so the reward was a bad port of a 3 year old game.  

I think we all pretty much picked up Umbrella Chronicles out of fandom and because it was one of, if not the first? Lightgun shooter on Wii. HOTD Overkill looks really good, the comedy the original Grindhouse concept. But if I get it, I wont be in the market for another lightgun shooter come the end of this year.

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Yeah GG its a mess, these people dont even seem to know what they want. Did you see that IGN article on the game, the EA guy didn't even want to mention light gun game cause he is ashamed to. If they are ashamed of the type of game they are making why make it?!

Its not hard, Dead Rising is a good template, personally I would perfer them to just make it a new scanario for DS seeing that they practically had to redo the entire game from the ground up but still its a game that keeps the core of what made DR work and adjusted it for wii. Thats what this game should be, thats what most of these games that get "ported" to the wii should be. I probably would have bought a Dead Space prequel on the wii if it was like Dead Space, this, no way.

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Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:43:02

Hey smart ass with the news story, how about you die already huh. Nyaa

Is that the PSO dragon in Black Knight, lol. Combat looks slow (also after Unleashed even Sonic running in this game is a bit slow) still looks awesome.

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Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:55:02

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Yeah GG its a mess, these people dont even seem to know what they want. Did you see that IGN article on the game, the EA guy didn't even want to mention light gun game cause he is ashamed to. If they are ashamed of the type of game they are making why make it?!

Its not hard, Dead Rising is a good template, personally I would perfer them to just make it a new scanario for DS seeing that they practically had to redo the entire game from the ground up but still its a game that keeps the core of what made DR work and adjusted it for wii. Thats what this game should be, thats what most of these games that get "ported" to the wii should be. I probably would have bought a Dead Space prequel on the wii if it was like Dead Space, this, no way.

I was online when the press release was just out and the sites didn't know what to call it from the press release. Some were calling it a FPS, others were calling it a first person game. They wanted to hide the fact that its an on rails game cause they knew they would get shit. In the PR text you dont see the words on rails or lightgun shooter anywhere at all. This game is launching at the end of this year, motionplus is out in Spring. This game could have used that make it really awesome, motion controlled saws? 1:1 melee? Proper physics control and statis abilities? Pixel perfect aiming? Just a complete lack of ambition.

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Hey smart ass with the news story, how about you die already huh. Nyaa

Is that the PSO dragon in Black Knight, lol. Combat looks slow (also after Unleashed even Sonic running in this game is a bit slow) still looks awesome.

That lava bit looked pretty cool. It does seem to slow to a crawl in combat. Which is weird.

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Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:07:58
i read that deadly creatures review on eurogamer.  what a mess.  what i don't understand is when your review is coming late, for a game that has got an average of over 7 from most reputable review sites ... wouldn't you think twice before giving it a 4/10?

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Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:20:44

Dvader said:

Hey smart ass with the news story, how about you die already huh. Nyaa

 *clutches chest in pain

Must reach keyboard, ughh

My final wish is that my good friend Vader, does all the updates in my place. Ughhh, don't worry about the news Vader will surely do a good job. Cough, it not like him to ignore a final wish.

*coughs up blood and dies, with a smirk on his face.

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Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:32:21
Ok about RE5 reviews. One a comment on the general patterns I see when people talk about review scores, its like people will just choose to accept the reviews that fit with what they expect or want the game to score and ignore the other scores. Prime example, this beauty from Edge "

Xbox mag reviews RE5: LMAO....much respect to Xbox mag on that one, calling it like it is." Calling it as it is, right and the magazines giving it high marks are not calling it as it is, no they are lying to themselves. Such a weird mentality. And it doesn't only work one way, it can go the other way as well, someone just ignoring the negative reviews.

Now that I got that out of my system, lets talk about the negative reviews cause it seems there will be some big time issues that are we are getting details on right now. There are two UK reviews, one in a Playstion magazine and one in that Xbox magazine. They both basically say the same things about the game.

Main complaint I guess is that its a co-op game with a bonus single player component, thats how they describe it. Also its too much like RE4 and not as good (big surprise Nyaa ). The final boss is a mess with the AI, apparently the AI was not made to deal with whatever you got to do in this fight.

Scariest thing are these reports of a cover system that comes into play for what they say is most of the final third of the game. I saw the cover system in a video review, basically its a pop in and out system, very ridgid, does not look fluid at all. It seems there will be enemies with guns or something where you constantly have to take cover and pop out and shoot them. Uhh what?! The whole point of RE4 was that there were practically no ranged enemies, it is all about getting right up to enemies. That has the potential of really screwing up the game if it really clogs up the ending acts. It might be one of the biggest bonehead design decisions we have seen.

The demo got me all excited, these reviews got me scared again.

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Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:50:52

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Yeah GG its a mess, these people dont even seem to know what they want. Did you see that IGN article on the game, the EA guy didn't even want to mention light gun game cause he is ashamed to. If they are ashamed of the type of game they are making why make it?!

Because that's what the corporate suits are FORCING people to do on the Wii. That's what they think they NEED to do, because they're corporate suits.

Dvader said:
Ok about RE5 reviews. One a comment on the general patterns I see when people talk about review scores, its like people will just choose to accept the reviews that fit with what they expect or want the game to score and ignore the other scores. Prime example, this beauty from Edge "

Xbox mag reviews RE5: LMAO....much respect to Xbox mag on that one, calling it like it is." Calling it as it is, right and the magazines giving it high marks are not calling it as it is, no they are lying to themselves. Such a weird mentality.

That's the only review I've seen. And based on what I've seen and played of the game I apploud them for telling it the way I saw it. What's weird about that? There will be plenty of places that give this AAA rating for no other reason than it is RESIDENT EVIL, just like people giving perfect 10's to fucking GTA 4.

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Main complaint I guess is that its a co-op game with a bonus single player component, thats how they describe it. Also its too much like RE4 and not as good (big surprise Nyaa ).

4 years after RE4, this is exactly WHY it deserves the score they gave it. It applied to RE Zero when it copied REmake but wasn't as good, and it applies here as well. Its the most derivitive game I've ever seen in my life also. RE Zero wasn't even THIS much of a clone.

What's weird about that? LOL, dude you seem to get upset anytime someone says anything even remotely negative about the game. Like its not allowed because its "RE5". Nyaa

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Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:53:25

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The demo got me all excited, these reviews got me scared again.

If you liked the demo, you'll probably have no problem at all with the game. For me, the demo did the opposite just like it did for Davison over at 1up.

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Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:00:15
As strange as this might seen coming from a guy who just recently made several angry posts, I'm excited about Dead Space: Extraction. Am I disappointed that it's not the kind of game I wanted, and instead a type of game that doesn't really interest me? Of course. But that trailer was awesome, and I hear that Umbrella Chronicles... which is the only light gun game I've ever really played, and the only one I've ever owned... isn't that great for a light gun game, so I'm looking forward to getting superior light gun games at some point in time. Eventually I might get both Overkill and Extraction.

But this reaction of mine is mostly due to the awesome trailer and how much it reminded me of Doom 3, which I'm very fond of.

Having described my excitement, I must still express disappointment in relation to everyone elses'--and my own previous--points. This isn't the kind of game hardcore Wii gamers need or truly want, no matter the quality of the product (which I'm sure will be quite high). This is your experimental stuff, dvader.

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Hey people pay attention to kororinpa: marble saga. The first one was awesome, but way too short. This one has more level, plus ability to create your own levels and share it with others.

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Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:09:51

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The demo got me all excited, these reviews got me scared again.

If you liked the demo, you'll probably have no problem at all with the game. For me, the demo did the opposite just like it did for Davison over at 1up.

True to an extent, it calmed my fears about the overall new gameplay mechanics, I feel they will be fine. It still never addressed if the game would maintain the same type of intense, amazingly paced and well made level designs and scenarios that RE4 had from start to finish. These reviews are starting to confirm that RE5 wont do that and in fact will try something really moronic at the end of the game. Maybe it works, maybe I am all wrong, its not like I wont try this game so I will just leave it now, I have lowered my expectations on the game for the moment.

In your case the game lost you from the demo so all this stuff is just pilling on the pre-release disappointment. But it is pre-release, I will not pass judgement on this game until I play it from start to finish, I am just going to show my concerns at the moment.

Anyway I wont let this ruin my excitment over a new RE game coming, new viral video is out today http://www.residentevil.com/5/kijuju/?fbid=l-_nDkswEVi. Its video 4 called bridge. Password is temple.

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As strange as this might seen coming from a guy who just recently made several angry posts, I'm excited about Dead Space: Extraction. Am I disappointed that it's not the kind of game I wanted, and instead a type of game that doesn't really interest me? Of course. But that trailer was awesome, and I hear that Umbrella Chronicles... which is the only light gun game I've ever really played, and the only one I've ever owned... isn't that great for a light gun game, so I'm looking forward to getting superior light gun games at some point in time. Eventually I might get both Overkill and Extraction.

But this reaction of mine is mostly due to the awesome trailer and how much it reminded me of Doom 3, which I'm very fond of.

Having described my excitement, I must still express disappointment in relation to everyone elses'--and my own previous--points. This isn't the kind of game hardcore Wii gamers need or truly want, no matter the quality of the product (which I'm sure will be quite high). This is your experimental stuff, dvader.

This game so backfired on me. LOL

This is not what I had in mind, I explained why it worked for RE (though i still was angry when UC was first annouced) What I would have liked if it was a prequel, a different story, a different game but it was the same damn genre. I rather have that then just a port of Dead Space. But now we have this, the "experimental", yeah I didn't think this would happen. Oops.

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Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:19:08

Yes Iga I am watching starting now...

Happy Awesome.

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Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:25:24

I guess the good thing about Dead Space Wii is that the shit has finally hit the fan with the Wii audience; people are pissed and getting sick of this shit and from all the comments all over the internet I don't see how companies can continue to NOT get that through their thick heads.

Yes, its true, the Nintendo audience would like more Zelda, Metroid, Resident Evil style ADVENTURE games, just like they always have, and they don't want every game to be a mini-game or a hold- my- hand light gun game.

Man, I truly fucking hope Retro Studios have something coming this year.

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Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:29:23

edgecrusher said:

I guess the good thing about Dead Space Wii is that the shit has finally hit the fan with the Wii audience; people are pissed and getting sick of this shit and from all the comments all over the internet I don't see how companies can continue to NOT get that through their thick heads.

Yes, its true, the Nintendo audience would like more Zelda, Metroid, Resident Evil style ADVENTURE games, just like they always have, and they don't want every game to be a mini-game or a hold- my- hand light gun game.

Man, I truly fucking hope Retro Studios have something coming this year.

It would be nice if the industry saw this reaction as an eye-opener, but being realistic about it, I think things are going to continue just as they have been, just with more quality games coming out for the Wii--and I'm really hoping that this spring is only the beginning for them, too.

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