Dvader said:

I think the third party disapproval began with N64 when their hardware started to deviate from what would become the industry standard. N64 had way less support than the NES and SNES. GC was their most traditional console of the last four gens and as you stated it had really poor sales so third party ports were going to sell less. Still I am pretty sure if you see Xbox sales which had the same user base as GC I bet Xbox versions sold more.  As for your last question I would say the exclusive RE games on GC were such examples, a RE game on any other console would sell tons, on GC it struggled to sell a million (not RE4 but that game was special). REmake on PS2 would have quadrupled the sales it had on GC. Xbox probably double them. Then in the Wii area the effect was the opposite, it had such a large install base that you would expect major sales and yet too many times sales were just ok or bad. The bad ports were going to be a given because of the hardware definciencies.

Look at your third paragraph and the company names you mentioned that Nintendo was partnering with, are any of those not from Japan? Nintendo completely missed the western game revolution, which would become the leaders of gaming. All their worst partnerships were with the companies that would take over the biggest sales.To this day they by far have the worst relationship with western devs of any console maker.

Trine 2 on PS4 is the most amazing 3D I have ever seen in my life. I have it on PS3 but I want to buy it on PS4 just to play the whole game in 3D.

On the flip side Puppeteer which is a game that is all about 3D stunts (stuff flying at the screen) has some of the worst 3D I have seen.

Iga_Bobovic said:

At lauch the Wii did not have 100 million users. So again nice try, but sorry Vader, but your logic is at another castle. CoD4 was not marketed at all, came out year to late and it still sold over a million.

Are you really going to use RS2 as an example?! You are grapsing straws here. Look at Red Steel 1, look at Red Steel 2. They are not even in the same genre. Why not useTiger Woods as an example? All the version were released at the same time. And the Wii version thanks to the Wiimotion+ sold the most!

Where did I compare REmake to anything, it was an estimate, obviously. REmake on any other system would have been gigantic. If Outbreak could sell millions on PS2 an actual mainline RE game would have sold double if not more. Its simple logic. The same userbase that bought all PS1 RE games would be buying them on PS2, sales would have most likely gone up not down. RE3 sold over 3 million on PS1. The first next gen RE game on PS2 would have done better than that guaranteed, probably 4 million, 4x what it made on GC.

CoD would sell anywhere!!! It sold a million copies on my calculator. The fact that it just sold a million is pathetic. Yes look at RS2 it was clearly better than RS1 in every way and yet sold worse. Not even the same genre my ass, you are grasping at straws. Of course Tiger Woods sold best on wii, thats the kind of stuff that sold best on wii. Star Wars Force Unleashed came out on all consoles guess which one sold worse, Wii version! Despite the gigantic userbase.

Dvader said:

Where did I compare REmake to anything, it was an estimate, obviously. REmake on any other system would have been gigantic. If Outbreak could sell millions on PS2 an actual mainline RE game would have sold double if not more. Its simple logic. The same userbase that bought all PS1 RE games would be buying them on PS2, sales would have most likely gone up not down. RE3 sold over 3 million on PS1. The first next gen RE game on PS2 would have done better than that guaranteed, probably 4 million, 4x what it made on GC.

And the PS2 had a userbase that was 7x the size of the GC user base. So selling just 4 million would be bad, according to your simple logic. Maybe people were tired of the mainline RE with their prerendered graphics and fixed camera angles? How about that? We will never know. Reminds my of people that claimed No More Heroes would sell way more on the 360/PS3 than on the Wii. It was released on those consoles and it sold even less. Simple logic does not apply, for the market is not as simpleminded as you are!

Dvader said:

CoD would sell anywhere!!! It sold a million copies on my calculator. The fact that it just sold a million is pathetic. Yes look at RS2 it was clearly better than RS1 in every way and yet sold worse. Not even the same genre my ass, you are grasping at straws. Of course Tiger Woods sold best on wii, thats the kind of stuff that sold best on wii. Star Wars Force Unleashed came out on all consoles guess which one sold worse, Wii version! Despite the gigantic userbase.

CoD was sent to die and it still sold a million, but it was clearly the inferior version besides controls. RS2 has nothing and I repeat nothing to do with RS1. RS2 was not a shooter, you dolt. It was a fist person sword fighting game. The game released way too late after RS1, the graphical style was different, the gameplay was different and RS1 poisoned that well. Calling it RS2 was stupid. The games had nothing to do with each other. The only common ground was they both featured katana's!

Yes Tiger Wood is the kind of game that sells the best on the Wii. A game where the developer actually put effort in it and uses the strengths of the Wii. A game where they do not threat their audience like idiots. Force Unleashed you say? Did that game use the strength of the Wii? Why would someone buy an inferior version of that game?

Iga_Bobovic said:

Dvader said:

I think the third party disapproval began with N64 when their hardware started to deviate from what would become the industry standard. N64 had way less support than the NES and SNES. GC was their most traditional console of the last four gens and as you stated it had really poor sales so third party ports were going to sell less. Still I am pretty sure if you see Xbox sales which had the same user base as GC I bet Xbox versions sold more.  As for your last question I would say the exclusive RE games on GC were such examples, a RE game on any other console would sell tons, on GC it struggled to sell a million (not RE4 but that game was special). REmake on PS2 would have quadrupled the sales it had on GC. Xbox probably double them. Then in the Wii area the effect was the opposite, it had such a large install base that you would expect major sales and yet too many times sales were just ok or bad. The bad ports were going to be a given because of the hardware definciencies.

Look at your third paragraph and the company names you mentioned that Nintendo was partnering with, are any of those not from Japan? Nintendo completely missed the western game revolution, which would become the leaders of gaming. All their worst partnerships were with the companies that would take over the biggest sales.To this day they by far have the worst relationship with western devs of any console maker.

Gamecube usually got late and sloppy ports. Your Resident Evil example has no basis in reality whatsoever. RE4 sold more on the PS2, but not by much. Your Remake example has is just pure speculation on your part.


Your Wii example is even worse. Red Steel a new IP sold over a million copies at launch. The CoD games sold over a million copies, even though activision acted like the wii version did not exist. Most 3rd party games on the Wii were shit and should have sold like shit.

I was quite happy with third-party support on the Gamecube. Toward the end it got messy, but for the first few years they got plenty of support.

Though when it comes to SNES, N64 and GC I'm a bit of a fanboy.

I'm thinking of getting a Fitbit to monitor when I sleep. I keep passing out at random hours on the weekend and never really have an idea of how many hours I lose.

Need to re-buy a Vita first though (I wouldn't bother but I have Dragon's Crown and Tearaway to play on it).

My illness is now at least entertaining me. I sound like when those guitarists run their voices through a guitar:

aspro said:

I'm thinking of getting a Fitbit to monitor when I sleep. I keep passing out at random hours on the weekend and never really have an idea of how many hours I lose.

Need to re-buy a Vita first though (I wouldn't bother but I have Dragon's Crown and Tearaway to play on it).

My illness is now at least entertaining me. I sound like when those guitarists run their voices through a guitar:

Why not wait for the dongle instead? Or are neither compatible with it?

aspro said:

Foolz said:

Why not wait for the dongle instead? Or are neither compatible with it?

The Vita Play? Not a bad idea at all.

But given that we are in Australia, and they don't even display Vita's or the software in EBGames any more I doubt they'll bring the Vita Play down here.

It has not been annonced for the West yet, Sony may see it as too much of a distraction for the PS4 marketing message (whereas in Japan is was used to opposite effect - to draw attention away from the delayed PS4 launch).

This is what Amazon and Play Asia are for.

I read only this:

aspro said:

I'm thinking of getting a Fitbit to monitor when I sleep. I keep passing out at random hours on the weekend and never really have an idea of how many hours I lose.

And then Foolz' reply:

Foolz said:

Why not wait for the dongle instead?

  ?

REmake would have sold 3 times more on PS2, and looked 3 times worse as well. I show you a picture of the PS2's best looking game in the REmake art style:

Onimusha 2, made also by Capcom. This actually came out AFTER REmake also...and this is the best they could do. Looks nice, but compared to this?