Lets put it this way as well. The RE light gun WIi games, which are on rails are less linear than this SH. At least in those games you have choices of paths to take. Of course it has actual gameplay which is the biggest difference. I control the action, I have to be skilled enough to advance, I need to develop strategies on how to defeat enemies, I have to choose the right weapon loadout, I have manage my health and I need to be on the look out for all sorts of secrets which help unlock things. While that game has taken away my movement at least I as a player have a huge role to play. I don't feel that way at all about SH. My role is simply to follow and do exactly what is specifically asked of me at certain moments.

It sounds like you played a completely different game to me Vader. Your opinion is on a completely different plane of existence to mine. Nothing wrong with that, but to me the game is ancient history so I'm not up for intense or detailed debate. However, the lightgun comparison is really f-ed up.

Dvader said:

Iga_Bobovic said:

There are plenty of games that have zero options. There are light gun games, some platforming games that only allow one type of solution to clear an obstacle, puzzle games and so on. Are those games cinematic experiences too?

Just answered that question as well. I am so ahead of you.

Ahead in avoiding the question department. Maybe you should work for Nintendo.

Dvader said:

Lets put it this way as well. The RE light gun WIi games, which are on rails are less linear than this SH. At least in those games you have choices of paths to take. Of course it has actual gameplay which is the biggest difference. I control the action, I have to be skilled enough to advance, I need to develop strategies on how to defeat enemies, I have to choose the right weapon loadout, I have manage my health and I need to be on the look out for all sorts of secrets which help unlock things. While that game has taken away my movement at least I as a player have a huge role to play. I don't feel that way at all about SH. My role is simply to follow and do exactly what is specifically asked of me at certain moments.

So are those game cinematic experiences or not?

Dvader said:

Iga_Bobovic said:

So are those game cinematic experiences or not?

Not in the same way that HR or this SH game are. The RE games are light gun games, a very specific defined genre. i dont know what HR and the like are exactly, I just like the sound of cinematic experience cause you watch a bunch of stuff that happens with little or minimal player interaction. Those games are far more passive, almost like a choose your own adventure novel, except with button presses.

So now they are adventure games?

Also a very specific defined genre!

Dvader said:

Iga_Bobovic said:

So now they are adventure games?

Also a very specific defined genre!

That is fine. But the adventure games I remember playing had complex puzzles. Had items you had to carry around to solve puzzles across long distances and time. It had multiple locations you could visit freely.  While they maybe adventure games, they are not very good adventure games.

And we reached a consensus. If you just said, Shattered Memories is a cool idea, but the puzzles are too easy, the chases are boring and the level design is too simple. I would have understood where you were coming from. But it is non-game or it is a cinematic experience, was really a vague criticism.

P.S. most adventure games did have complex puzzles, but they relied too much on trial and error instead of cold hard logic.

Dvader said:

Just finished it a second time, about 2 hours and 30 min long. Totally pointless, the changes are all cosmetic. I think I did one different puzzle. You go through the exact same locations. The characters change clothes and have different personalities and that is about it.

But I did finish it twice cause it is such a painless experience.  

Well this game inspired me to play a real game, so I will play the original Silent Hill.

Wait this can be beaten in three hours? Maybe I'll try it this week then.

Hey, Aspro. When you have finished TTYD, can you finish my copy for me too? I'm somewhere in Chapter 6. Thanks!

I can't believe I've been working on that game for nearly 8 years now, lol.

Jill Valentine pic of the day:

Iga_Bobovic said:

And we reached a consensus. If you just said, Shattered Memories is a cool idea, but the puzzles are too easy, the chases are boring and the level design is too simple. I would have understood where you were coming from. But it is non-game or it is a cinematic experience, was really a vague criticism.

P.S. most adventure games did have complex puzzles, but they relied too much on trial and error instead of cold hard logic.

Agreed. Now lets have a bro-hug.  

I want to say I am not trying to shit on others opinions of the game, I am coming on strong cause I am pretty upset that this is all they attempted to do with the game. I can see this game being an enjoyable experience to some. I look at a game from the gameplay perspective usually so I tear down all the layers and look directly at what I, the player, is doing.

edgecrusher said:

Jill Valentine pic of the day:

Wow, what was her name again. I want to do some... research on her... yeah...