travo said:

Glad you enjoyed Paper Mario, Aspro.  I remember picking it up during the last year before the GameCube was released when there was literally no new games coming out for the N64.  I taught a middle schooler who was a big Nintendo fanatic, so we discussed the game a bit.  I remember what a breath of fresh air that game was.


If I recall, GG and I had different opinions on which is better, Paper Mario or TTYD.  Probably because I played the original first and  he experienced TTYD first.  TTYD is brilliant, but to me, nothing beats the high of playing PM for the first time nearly a decade and a half ago.

Same as you, I played TTYD first and it is my favorite one.

My wii has totally gone Silent Hill on me. The last two times it has turned on by itself.

travo said:

After  turn off my 360, it will continue to turn itself on, then off for a few minutes.  I'm scared.

The current genn systems are getting worried that they are about to be replaced. "Play me" they scream.

Dvader said:

On the chases can you do something other than run? Getting a flare is the closest thing to strategy. Other than that you just need to know where to go which isnt hard after a while. These play out exactly the same over and over. I am not saying they are hard, I am saying there is nothing there gameplay wise except run.

Completely disagree.

Dvader said:

This "game" is more like Heavy Rain except HR actually had far more things for the player to, but the same simplistic thing. Its a guided cinematic experience. If you want a stress free experience where you have a story told for you while you do trivial actions on a controller then yes this "game" is for you.

Didn't Heavy Rain get a lot of acclaim and recognition? So you're saying it's crap?

Iga_Bobovic said:

It has a story that makes sense?!

It has actual gameplay?!  Seeing as I am in control 95% of the time. No QTE.

Should I go on?

LOL Really. You never played Heavy Rain so why am I asking you. Heavy Rain has way more gameplay than this game, with choices that actually impact the game and story in meaningful ways. And the story is about the same, HR though is much more engaging.

Yes you should go on with your completely cluessless observation of both games.

Dvader said:

Well this game inspired me to play a real game, so I will play the original Silent Hill.

Why don't you start on all the uncompleted Bayonetta's?

gamingeek said:

Didn't Heavy Rain get a lot of acclaim and recognition? So you're saying it's crap?

Its the same kind of game but it has much more content, player interaction, a story that really changes not just cosmetic changes. It is way more fleshed out. So while its the same kind of thing Heavy Rain would be like the far superior sequel. I have said I wish HR had wiimote support cause you do all the same stuff except you use the sticks to manipulate objects.

They are both these sort of cinematic experience kinds of game where you do a few things but for the most part you following a very strict script. Some people really enjoy them, some don't.

I already answered your first question to GG so read that. A cinematic experience in a game to me is one where the game is basically completely scripted and you are basically doing very minimal interaction with the game to move it along. Its more like a Dragon's Lair game but way more interactive. Stuff like MGS and Uncharted have tons and tons and tons of gameplay, it has a cinematic like story and presentation but you cant sit by casually, you have to be good at it, you have to really play the game. One is a game, one is more like an interactive movie.

Basically my mom can play SH and finish it, she would never be able to finish MGS or Uncharted.

Dvader said:

I already answered your first question to GG so read that.

Maybe you should read what I posted. There was only one question. And here is your answer.

Dvader said:

A cinematic experience in a game to me is one where the game is basically completely scripted and you are basically doing very minimal interaction with the game to move it along. Its more like a Dragon's Lair game but way more interactive. Stuff like MGS and Uncharted have tons and tons and tons of gameplay, it has a cinematic like story and presentation but you cant sit by casually, you have to be good at it, you have to really play the game. One is a game, one is more like an interactive movie.

So it is like Dragon's Lair, but way more interactive? So it is nothing like Dragon's Lair!

And minimal interaction? You have full control of your characters 95% of the time! If you called the game easy and boring I could understand your criticism, but cinematic? Nope sorry. Your distinction between interactive movie and game is very blurry at best.

Dvader said:

Basically my mom can play SH and finish it, she would never be able to finish MGS or Uncharted.

Well, why don't you try and find out?

Iga_Bobovic said:

Dvader said:

I already answered your first question to GG so read that.

Maybe you should read what I posted. There was only one question. And here is your answer.

Dvader said:

A cinematic experience in a game to me is one where the game is basically completely scripted and you are basically doing very minimal interaction with the game to move it along. Its more like a Dragon's Lair game but way more interactive. Stuff like MGS and Uncharted have tons and tons and tons of gameplay, it has a cinematic like story and presentation but you cant sit by casually, you have to be good at it, you have to really play the game. One is a game, one is more like an interactive movie.

So it is like Dragon's Lair, but way more interactive? So it is nothing like Dragon's Lair!

And minimal interaction? You have full control of your characters 95% of the time! If you called the game easy and boring I could understand your criticism, but cinematic? Nope sorry. Your distinction between interactive movie and game is very blurry at best.

Dvader said:

Basically my mom can play SH and finish it, she would never be able to finish MGS or Uncharted.

Well, why don't you try and find out?

In SH you do exactly what the game wants you to do. You have zero choices outside of the chases and those choices are minimal, just go to this door or that door.

For most of the game you walk in a linear path. You reach a closed door where the key is clearly highlighted so you do a basic interaction to get the key to open that door. Maybe you get a puzzle where you have to basically be observant and that is as complicated as it gets. You as a player do mostly nothing except exactly what is expected of you. It is a completely guided experience. In the first SH game I could go down one hallway or another, fight a monster or not, have to save ammo, have to manage health,  have to carry items around to solve puzzles as the solutions are not all located in the same room. I have gameplay options, I have choices to make and my skill at the game determines if I live you die. The only moments like that in SM are the chases but again those are very basic.