^ WOW!!!!

And it looks exactly like Dragon Warrior/Quest

EDIT: Of course... a new page. Steel post the pics again.

Dvader said:

^ WOW!!!!

And it looks exactly like Dragon Warrior/Quest

EDIT: Of course... a new page. Steel post the pics again.

Ass.

Get Little Kings Story already, it looks like that too.

gamingeek said:

Dvader said:

Having a 3D Castlevania game where you enter a bunch of rooms that have moving platforms, giant buzz saws in the walls, spiked floors rising up and down, where you have to swing around with a whip and giant holes of death, does not sound right to me.

Oh wow, that sounds perfect to me.

Steel, that 3d dot game gives me a hard on. What is it?

To be honest that does sound pretty cool, but its still not Castlevania. Action first, giant maze castle second, then you can throw in platforming.

Dvader said:

Iga_Bobovic said:

You are not making sense anymore. Why would a game that used to be an action platformer not work if you make a 3D version of a action platformer? Or are you saying that Prince of Persia is not an action platformer?

Oh the original Castlevania are action platformers. If they are so because reasons you mentioned before, well guess what, that still makes them Action Platformers.

P.S. I will withhold judgement from the new Castlevania for now, because I do not know what the platforming/exploring/fighting ratio will be.

But the old Castlevania's are still ACTION PLATFORMERS.

Firstly I dont care for the use of action platformer, its an action game, it fits under the action/adventure genre, all these subgenres are a pain. Anyway PoP can be described as an action platformer, but again its the type of game where I dont see Castlevania working. Platforming in Castlevania was always just there to be there, it was never the focus of the game. In Castlevania you fight tons and tons of enemies as you travel to the next area. Since SOTN the world has become open, but you are still basically fighting tons of enemies and moving to the next room. Almost everything in the game serves to augment the action, a few are relics that allow better movement around the world, which that should stay.

Having a 3D Castlevania game where you enter a bunch of rooms that have moving platforms, giant buzz saws in the walls, spiked floors rising up and down, where you have to swing around with a whip and giant holes of death, does not sound right to me. It's fine if there are a few rooms like that but not 50/50 in the way PoP did it. Castlevania needs to be about the action first and everything else second. They need to nail the combat system, its not 2D anymore, simply slashing an enemy until its dead doesnt work in 3D. It's the reason why every Castlevania game has failed in 3D, cause the combat has sucked.

What confused me the most is that when we finally have a Castlevania game that looks like it matches the very best 3D action games, you start to complain that it not Castlevania. That is what I find crazy, this is what it should be. And its not like its Bayonetta, that trailer showed plenty of aspects that was not action oriented like climbing the side of the castle, going up a large tunnel and using the whip to swing over objects. It is definetly more GoW than DMC from that trailer, I just hope that when I get a good look at the combat system its as fluid as DMC.

It's a action platformer and seriously download Castlevania 3 or Super.

Platforming plays a huge part in those two game. There is jumping from platform to platform. There is jumping while a stupid Medusa head knocks you off. There is forces scrolling sections. There is a bride that collapse under your weight sections.  Heck Super Castlevania 4 had you use the whip to hang on while the room rotates and stuff.

See here a level in Castlevania where you actually use your whip to move from place to place.

Here the clock tower level, see platforming and action! And again you use your whip to move around.

Iga_Bobovic said:

Dvader said:

Iga_Bobovic said:

You are not making sense anymore. Why would a game that used to be an action platformer not work if you make a 3D version of a action platformer? Or are you saying that Prince of Persia is not an action platformer?

Oh the original Castlevania are action platformers. If they are so because reasons you mentioned before, well guess what, that still makes them Action Platformers.

P.S. I will withhold judgement from the new Castlevania for now, because I do not know what the platforming/exploring/fighting ratio will be.

But the old Castlevania's are still ACTION PLATFORMERS.

Firstly I dont care for the use of action platformer, its an action game, it fits under the action/adventure genre, all these subgenres are a pain. Anyway PoP can be described as an action platformer, but again its the type of game where I dont see Castlevania working. Platforming in Castlevania was always just there to be there, it was never the focus of the game. In Castlevania you fight tons and tons of enemies as you travel to the next area. Since SOTN the world has become open, but you are still basically fighting tons of enemies and moving to the next room. Almost everything in the game serves to augment the action, a few are relics that allow better movement around the world, which that should stay.

Having a 3D Castlevania game where you enter a bunch of rooms that have moving platforms, giant buzz saws in the walls, spiked floors rising up and down, where you have to swing around with a whip and giant holes of death, does not sound right to me. It's fine if there are a few rooms like that but not 50/50 in the way PoP did it. Castlevania needs to be about the action first and everything else second. They need to nail the combat system, its not 2D anymore, simply slashing an enemy until its dead doesnt work in 3D. It's the reason why every Castlevania game has failed in 3D, cause the combat has sucked.

What confused me the most is that when we finally have a Castlevania game that looks like it matches the very best 3D action games, you start to complain that it not Castlevania. That is what I find crazy, this is what it should be. And its not like its Bayonetta, that trailer showed plenty of aspects that was not action oriented like climbing the side of the castle, going up a large tunnel and using the whip to swing over objects. It is definetly more GoW than DMC from that trailer, I just hope that when I get a good look at the combat system its as fluid as DMC.

It's a action platformer and seriously download Castlevania 3 or Super.

Platforming plays a huge part in those two game. There is jumping from platform to platform. There is jumping while a stupid Medusa head knocks you off. There is forces scrolling sections. There is a bride that collapse under your weight sections.  Heck Super Castlevania 4 had you use the whip to hang on while the room rotates and stuff.

See here a level in Castlevania where you actually use your whip to move from place to place.

Here the clock tower level, see platforming and action! And again you use your whip to move around.

I am aware of that, I played CV4. The series shifted from that but I understand your want to go back. That style would fit a 2D Castlevania more. From what I have seen in 3D games they usually keep the platforming and the action separate, even in PoP there is a time for platforming and then a time to fight enemies, it alternates back and forth. I feel that a Castlvania game in 3D needs to be near relentless with the action, thats how Castlevania games are, there is almost never a moment when an enemy is not on the screen.

I'm not saying the game needs to be an exact clone of DMC or GoW, nor that it has to be all action all the time. I think the focus needs to be the action, they need to nail that aspect above all and DMC/GoW/NG is the template they should use. If they manage to make an area where there is spinning clock gears and medusa heads knocking you off then awesome, if not as long as the action is addictive I will be happy.

(And let me state again that new trailer shows Belmont using a whip to get around too, dont worry, the game will be amazing)

So the dot game, action RPG or traditional turned based RPG?

Looks like action to me.

Dvader said:

gamingeek said:

Dvader said:

^ WOW!!!!

And it looks exactly like Dragon Warrior/Quest

EDIT: Of course... a new page. Steel post the pics again.

Ass.

Get Little Kings Story already, it looks like that too.

You lie! That looks amazing, LKS looks good.

It looks like a Boom Blox Little Kings Story made level. Only made on PC with HD graphics.

Dvader said:

gamingeek said:

Dvader said:

Having a 3D Castlevania game where you enter a bunch of rooms that have moving platforms, giant buzz saws in the walls, spiked floors rising up and down, where you have to swing around with a whip and giant holes of death, does not sound right to me.

Oh wow, that sounds perfect to me.

Steel, that 3d dot game gives me a hard on. What is it?

To be honest that does sound pretty cool, but its still not Castlevania. Action first, giant maze castle second, then you can throw in platforming.

I'd like it to be balanced so have the game like you said but allow for action in the same areas or make it so fluid that the action can and does happen whilst you are avoiding all the environmental stuff. Most enemies in CV games can be beaten with one or two slashes.

Steel, From Sofware? Platforms, now please.

phantom_leo said:

Dvader said:

It's time for "Words of wisdom from Carnageheart"

You're misinterpretting what I said. I stated that the Wii and the PS3/X360 are chasing different dollars, not that all of the Wii's fans sprang up this generation, lured in by minigame collections and a simplified controller. That is true of the vast majority of Wii fans, but there are hardcore gamers who bought the Wii for the same reason they bought the GC and the N64, to enjoy Nintendo's weekly release of Mario/Zelda/Metroid games.

Jeebus...

Did a Nintendo-branded truck run over his puppy when he was little or something?

Carnage's constant (and mysteriously allowed) Nintendo-bashing got old two years ago...

I dont know the context but that post sounds okay to me there, it depends what he said before that. Weekly is harsh though, I think most people would want it to be weekly, instead of once every 3 years + per franchise. Even Mario Galaxy 2 which seems recent will release 2 and a half years after the original and the next zelda? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

IF and its a big if, it releases in 2010 that is still like 3 and a half to 4 years later from Twilight Princess.

No responses to my Zelda comparison, come on guys.

gamingeek said:

Dvader said:

gamingeek said:

Dvader said:

Having a 3D Castlevania game where you enter a bunch of rooms that have moving platforms, giant buzz saws in the walls, spiked floors rising up and down, where you have to swing around with a whip and giant holes of death, does not sound right to me.

Oh wow, that sounds perfect to me.

Steel, that 3d dot game gives me a hard on. What is it?

To be honest that does sound pretty cool, but its still not Castlevania. Action first, giant maze castle second, then you can throw in platforming.

I'd like it to be balanced so have the game like you said but allow for action in the same areas or make it so fluid that the action can and does happen whilst you are avoiding all the environmental stuff. Most enemies in CV games can be beaten with one or two slashes.

Yeah, in 2D games a few slashes is fine, in 3D you need to make the action more complex. Blocks, counters, combos, dodges, it needs depth to it.

SteelAttack said:

gamingeek said:

It looks like a Boom Blox Little Kings Story made level. Only made on PC with HD graphics.

Steel, From Sofware? Platforms, now please.

And PS3.

The fuck?

Steel did you check out this:

Cursed Mountain E3 09: Developer Walkthrough

Watch it high quality. Graphics are all right although the textures aren't great.