Dvader said:

Punk Rebel Ecks said:

The reason third parties aren't on the Wii is because of Nintendo's terrible third party relations, not because they can't "make the games they want". It's been proven time and time again that publishers don't give a rats ass to where their games go, all they care about is cash.

Yes and RE5 would not have sold anywhere close to 1.5 million in a month on the Wii. But the Wii could have had RE5 if it were like the other consoles. The issue is not that they dont want the game to be on the wii, its that Nintendo forced devs to make a choice, make your game for them or make your game for us. I know some games have a wii port but most of the time the end up as totally different games.

Pretty much. Nintendo made their choice. Either have a console powerful enough to being able to decently get multiplatfs from the other platforms while still selling the console at a slight profit, or have the console very low end and try to attract developers through the cheap development costs and sell the console for a ton of profit. This really backfired at them. Normally a regular company would just convince publishers to make games on their console, but this is Nintendo we are talking about here. Nintendo is just terrible at third party relations. Hell for an example just look at Fatal Frame 4 even Tecmo doesn't have any idea what's going on with it. Or look at how Wiiware developers need to sell around 1,500 copies in America just to get paid for their sales in that region. Or look at how Nintendo rarely reaches out for developers and publishers (from what I recall Microsoft helps fund some games to be exclusive to their platform which I think was the case for Star Ocean 4). Nintendo just has to get over their ego and get with the times. It isn't third parties jobs to convince themselves to develop for the Wii, but rather Nintendo's.

ASK_Story said:

That's a little funny to me because Nintendo has not put out anything major lately while third parties have been bringing out some of the best games on the Wii like House of the Dead, Deadly Creatures, Boom Blox, MadWorld, etc.

The thing is though is that neither of those games have the marketing push Nintendo's titles do. And neither of them (possibly but Boom Blox which has done well) have that much appeal. Madworld was bound to fail, I mean just look at it, House of the Dead is well House of the Dead and has done pretty well for itself, Deadly Creatures lulz spiders. I definatley do think that the Wii isn't the best for the 15-35 year old male demographic but that doesn't mean that such a market is non-existant for it.

Punk Rebel Ecks said:

ASK_Story said:

That's a little funny to me because Nintendo has not put out anything major lately while third parties have been bringing out some of the best games on the Wii like House of the Dead, Deadly Creatures, Boom Blox, MadWorld, etc.

The thing is though is that neither of those games have the marketing push Nintendo's titles do. And neither of them (possibly but Boom Blox which has done well) have that much appeal. Madworld was bound to fail, I mean just look at it, House of the Dead is well House of the Dead and has done pretty well for itself, Deadly Creatures lulz spiders. I definatley do think that the Wii isn't the best for the 15-35 year old male demographic but that doesn't mean that such a market is non-existant for it.

 I find it funny that poeple always bring up the niche games to prove their point with regards to hardcore games not selling. Seriously were are the games like Deadly Creature, Little King's Story, Boomblox and Muramasa on the HD consoles? They aren't, most of these niche games would not even be made on the HD consoles, because of the development costs. Look at the sales number of Banjo Kazooie, most jRPGs they aren't doing well for themselves. Look at the expected sales of Marvelous, if it was not for the Wii they would be exclusively selling for the handhelds. 

Foolz said:

If the wii was full of blockbusters I simply woudln't have got it. I'd played all the blockbusters i coudl in the PS2 generation and niche games were what I was interested in. "Niche" games are few and far between ont he 360/PS3 apart from downloadable ones.
Yes I eventually got a PS3 because I like variety. But I wouldn't be perfectly content with a PS3 just like I wasn't perfectly content with a wii.

Oh, and when I did get the PS3, so far there's only been one game that was meaningfully improved with better hrdware than the PS2 had.

 There you go, the Wii is different and people have different tastes. Niche games FTW.

Iga_Bobovic said:

Iga_Bobovic said:

Dvader said:

Iga_Bobovic said:

So how do you explain all the major 3rd party games that never appeared on the Gamecube?

It was last place, it was a waste of time to port many of those titles and as usual demographics kick in. Its a totally different case if the Wii was equal to the 360/PS3.

Would the Wii sell as much if it was $600,-?

Vader you did not answer the question! I take it you gave up an accepted that Nintendo had to do what they have done?

Punk Rebel Ecks said:

Or look at how Wiiware developers need to sell around 1,500 copies in America just to get paid for their sales in that region.

Punk check out the state of Wiiware thread, you might be surprised!

I didn't answer the question cause you are trying to change the subject. Yes by going the cheap route they became kings. So in a way its a trap, if they were just like the other consoles they wouldn't be first place or at least not as far in the lead as they are now. But because they changed they created a barrier for the average third party game.

The good thing is that the Wii gets its own set of games, which is awesome for me cause I have my HD system that gets a certain group of games and my Wii that gets another. The issue is some Wii only owners want to have it all, those are the people I am talking about. The ones wondering why RE5 or SF4 or Mirror's Edge or Fallout 3 (any third party HD game) are not on  the Wii.  They got to understand that this is what happens when you go the cheap hardware route, they were going to lose a ton of those games. Nintendo seems fine with it, they are rolling in money. It seems like people want the wii regardless of it missing out of those third party games.

Dvader said:

Tonights UFC was kind of weird. Chuck Liddell is done, that fight was almost sad, he got KOed but some reaching hook. Some of the other cards were cool.

 Dammit why is no one using the MMA thread I made

Vader check out Shogun's Pride fight and be glad that he is back. That guy is freacking awesome.

This for my little pimp Steel

travo said:

gamingeek said:

travo said:

Fine, it'll just be me and Robio then.

What happened to you last night on AC? I went upstairs for 10 minutes and you disappeared?

I knew I couldn't be on long.  I had to go to my mother's house.

Oh right, Kitty came to live in Fortress BTW.