Everytime I read those Edge reviews it pains me not having access to the magazine here. All I get are crappy Spain editions from 2 months ago.

And Fallout 3 is getting positive reviews all over the internets. How bizarre. We'll have to wait for the implosion of game perception in about 10 days.

angry_beaver said:

iga_bobovic said:

ravenprose said:

I don't mind a little speach samples here and there in Metroid games, I just don't like the fully spoken dialogue; I even turned off the voice acting in the options menu of MP3. But that's not even my main problem, though. I didn't like that people were talking to Samus at all, either by text or by voice acting. MP3 just doesn't feel like a Metroid game with that added dialogue. Metroid games are all about isolation. In the original Metroid, Super Metroid, and Metroid Prime, that isolation was evident throughout the entire game. That's a big part of playing a Metroid game to me. Having characters conversing with or giving orders to Samus just felt very off to me; it felt like they were trying to make the game more like Halo storywise which I simply don't agree with.

Metroid Prime 2, 3 and Fusion disagree with you. And even in Super Metroid you had those teddy bears and that ostrich friends of yours. Prime 3 had to happen, would it not be strange if the Fedaration would not be involved in any of the storyline? The war between the Fedaration and Space Pirates was hinted in the very first Prime. Metroid is about Samus and Samus is a federation hired bounty hunter. And BTW there are some section in Prime 3 that are more scary than anything Prime 1 can muster, so there!

He was criticizing Prime 3, so you can't use that in your rebuttal.

I was just reacting to his statement that Metroid games were about Isolation. So I can use it as a rebuttal and I did use it, so there

angry_beaver said:

I also think that Prime 3 didn't feel enough like a Metroid game. To me, it felt like it strayed too close to an FPS from what the first two games were, and it also felt more linear, even with item collection! It seems like you can pick up most of the power-ups without going out of your way, unlike in the first two Primes, and this downplays exploration. Heck, as far as exploration goes, the environments felt too linear, as well. Is it just me, or do others agree on these points?

The feeling is not a fact Beaver. I played all the Metroid and I play Metroid like I play all my games, doing everything I am not supposed to do. For instance I tried to sequence breaking Twilight Princess and I found that it is not possible, you can't go to another dungeon before you finish the one before. The Prime 1 and 2 are actually quite linear. You might not feel like it because the line is very "curly", but it is. In Prime 2 you had to visit U-mos after you had returned the energy to each controller, plus you had the language you could not decipher. So you had to find the recording of one of those luminoths.

The 2D Metroid are truly non-linear. In Zero-mission on my 15% run, the first boss I defeated was Ridley. The normal order is Kraid then Ridley. I got my super missiles before facing Kraid, killing him in 3 shots. He went down like a bitch. When the Aurora Unit told me were to go, I always went the other way. It said I should start at Bryyo and I went imediately to Elysia. Sure I could not progress far, but I could go there, enjoy the scenery and have a nice scan. Then the Valhalla, the first moment it was discovered you could go there immediately, sure I did not have enough energy cell, but I went there anyway, why? Because I could. Something not really possible in the previous Primes. So I did explore, is it truly non-linear? No, but neither are the previous Primes!

angry_beaver said:

Now as far as the voice acting goes... I'd rather they hadn't included that much. The Federation guys sound really cheesey, and the captain/commander/whatever uses the word "damn" at the beginning, with there not being any additional profanities in the entire game before or after (or at most one more, but I don't remember). It's like they just wanted to use one because they could. How many game series previously ok for kids to play contain only one instance of profanity? "Hey, our game's going to be rated T anyway, so let's throw in one of these words just 'cuz!"

Damn is now a profanity? Jesus Christ America, your tits are flapping in the wind. Grow a dick

angry_beaver said:

Regarding isolation... in no other Metroid game do we come anywhere close to having as much interpersonal interaction and such happen. The ship and Norion at the beginning and the deployment of soldiers on a planet later on just make it seem very unlike any Metroid game prior. MP2 had "people", but they just stood there and their only function was to point you in the right direction. In Fusion, it was a ship's computer--not even a person--and the environment made me feel extremely isolated and in tons of danger. The dialogue with the other hunters in Prime 3 was also a little overkill for a Metroid game, IMO.

Note to Retro: Never, ever put people in your games if they're going to have faces like they did in Prime 3!

Actually Fusion was worse, because Adam always closed down paths, killing any sense of exploring. And not all the environments were as creepy. In Prime 3 you could explore much more freely than in Fusion.

Faces what faces?

*looks up

Hell no, what have done Beaver!

angry_beaver said:

Prime 3 didn't have to involve the Federation at all, IMO.

The Federation had to be in a Metroid game sooner or later. The Federation is not some culture that died hunders of years ago, so it makes sense that they would show up. I mean they are by far the galaxy's biggest power in the Metroid universe, and yet you never meet them? That is not plausible. But do not worry Beaver. I take it you finished Fusion? So we know what is going to happen next with the Fedaration. I should be interesting.

angry_beaver said:

My assessment of Prime 3 as I was playing it for the first time was that it was too different from what the first two games were, and I hoped--and still hope--that future 3D Metroid titles are more like the first two than the third. The third had way too many changes to the formula from the last game in the series, and it just didn't feel like Metroid to me (the PED suit was WAAAAAAAAY too useful, for example, and just flying from place to place was quite different). I like the game, and I suppose I'd go back to it sooner than to either of the first two, but that's not because I think it's a better Metroid game. I don't think that.

It was different, but that does not mean it is good or bad, just different. And what would the point be in having 3 identical games? My assessment is that Prime 3 is a combo of Fusion and Prime 1. It has the mission structure of Fusion and a AI that is talking to you. And it has the item collecting and exploration of Prime 1. There are some who like Prime 1 better and they are other who hated Prime 1 and prefer Prime 3.

The flying is a stroke of genius. It eliminates walking from one end to the other end. Prime is not a RPG, so walking back and forwards in the old ones did absolutly nothing but to the kill the pacing a few times. The flying would even work in a single planet level design.

I do not agree with you FPS assessment. I think Prime 3 is more Zelda like. Instead of dungeons you had multiple planet, which were as tightly designed as a Zelda dungeon. You had NPC, and even a target practise minigame in the Olympus.  Instead of the Ocarina or other warp devices you had you ship. And from my understanding Phantom Hourglass had a giant dungeon you had to visit multiple times, kinda Metroid-ish.

So Beaver in conclusion you are very wrong

steelattack said:

Guest_Mantorok said:

Err, sorry for asking this here, how do I register on this site, it's me Mantorok!!!??

You invited me here GG and when I get here I can't register! Come on!!

Damn GG, locked the door after entering.

Just enter your name and a password at the top right corner of the home page. Glad to have you around, man.

Thanks man, I didn't even realise the 'Register' text was a link lol.

So what is this place, it feels like GG's created a website and it's running from his PC?

So why is this the 'last week'? I feel late to the party!!

mantorok said:

So what is this place, it feels like GG's created a website and it's running from his PC?

It's actually yodariquo's coding wizardry wrapped around GG's news feature. Look! We have a counter for genital comments!

mantorok said:

So why is this the 'last week'? I feel late to the party!!

Ah, we're moving in a week or so. yoda is overhauling the whole concept with input from everyone here but me. It's going to be awesome, these guys even made a first podcast this weekend.

mantorok said:

I've been on the GAF since GS, that place takes a while to get used to but nevertheless it's one of the best places to keep up to date on.

I lurk a lot there, too bad my register application never went through. It's been almost a year now.

mantorok said:

So why is this the 'last week'? I feel late to the party!!

Welcome! Yoda has created a new and improved site that will go live next Sunday. It'll include a more features like forums and such. You can read more about this in Yoda's blog:All Aboard the Hype Train

mantorok said:

Oh ok, where is it moving to? Don't forget to tell me I've only just got here!

So there's a weekly view on all of the news with a forum strapped to the bottom of it? Quite neat, good job.

I've been struggling to find another substantial game on the Wii since Galaxy and Mario Kart and I'm beginning to lose faith, it seems that my main choices are VC & WiiWare games or puzzle titles, which is a shame.

What you guys playing?

The new site will be located here: http://thevgpress.com

I've heard nothing but great things about de Blob on Wii. I haven't played it yet, though.

I've been playing retro games lately, mostly the original arcade Donkey Kong (I go on retro kicks every so often), but I'm highly anticipating Animal Crossing: City Folk in a couple weeks. I'm kind of an Animal Crossing nut. I'm also working on my second play through of Mario Galaxy; I'm trying to get all 121 Stars again.

steelattack said:

Guest_Mantorok said:

Err, sorry for asking this here, how do I register on this site, it's me Mantorok!!!??

You invited me here GG and when I get here I can't register! Come on!!

Damn GG, locked the door after entering.

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Hullo Mantorok! About time boyo. How have you been? I think I must have asked you five times to check this place out. Once I left G-spot, close to a year ago now actually, a bunch of us, like 5 hung out regularly on blogs on 1up and earlier in the year I started this feature where I would collect the weeks news in one blog and we would all chat underneath it. Sort of like a weekly uber thread focused on nothing but news.  

You can see an overview here with pictures, it was pretty cool: http://uk.gamespot.com/users/gaminggeek  

Then it became to much effort and 1up wasn't co-operative technically. So Yo bitch, the dariquo made this cool place for us to hang out. And then we all had ideas about how to make a cool place and contribute and had this newspaper idea and Yo has been beavering away in the background making it better. And we about to switch over next week.

mantorok said:

Oh ok, where is it moving to? Don't forget to tell me I've only just got here!

So there's a weekly view on all of the news with a forum strapped to the bottom of it? Quite neat, good job.

I've been struggling to find another substantial game on the Wii since Galaxy and Mario Kart and I'm beginning to lose faith, it seems that my main choices are VC & WiiWare games or puzzle titles, which is a shame.

What you guys playing?

I saw your list on NeoGaf and it was pretty slim. I can't remember exactly what you have and don't. There is tons of stuff to get. If you haven't already then get Bully, it's hilarious and instantly became one of my favourite games. Check out some youtube videos:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=88KNf0MtU14

It has a great style and brand of humour that is very British in many ways, slightly twisted. I've been playing De Blob for a while now, you can get it for £18 on play.com and it's great.

Yay! I finally completed No More Heroes. That's two more games off the list. All this talk about backlogs has got to me.

The ending was classic. I loved the pre-boss cutscene when the assasin hit the fast forward button and the Darth Vadar guy.

And then I got the normal ending, not the real ending. Travis is taking a dump in the ending and then star wars credits kick in. And then the stadium guy warbles out a tune. Check it out here from 4:00 minutes:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Alz7qVhTeD0

OMG Brilliant! I just saw the real ending too on youtube

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bMQAOKeUc-A

How do you get the good ending? That scene was more entertaining than star wars, lightsaber wise.

Nooooooooow I'm excited for the sequel

Oh here is the fast forwarded bit in slow motion so you can understand it:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EZhuMHw4aPg&feature=related

So yeah I've decided to start my own blog. You guys can come if you want.