gamingeek said:

iga_bobovic said:

I will start with the second round of updating, but first this rant.

Stop with this Art BS.

If some one can make a picture of his trash and call it art than everything is art. Art is subjective and therefore there is nothing to discuss. One might say that Superman 64 is art because it makes you feel the pain and  senselessness of living. I just call it a bad game.

What is the defintion of art anyways. I say it does not exist. Fuck art.

You're just angry because ninjas aren't artful.

No seriously what's there to discuss about art?

yodariquo said:

Here's why games can't be art: Art is an expression.

So that is the definition of art, so basically everything is art! Fuck art, Engineering FTW

Done with the updates.

Back to the art discussion. According to Wiki:

Art refers to a diverse range of human activities, creations, and expressions that are appealing or attractive to the senses or have some significance to the mind of an individual.

See everything can be considerd art! No point in further discussion, everything can be art, its all in the eye of the beholder.

iga_bobovic said:

What is the defintion of art anyways. I say it does not exist. Fuck art.

My wang is art.

Possibly watching the opening ceremony...or sleeping....or gaming....or something else. I can tell you during the course of last night I was doing all three.

iga_bobovic said:

darthhomer said:

Possibly watching the opening ceremony...or sleeping....or gaming....or something else. I can tell you during the course of last night I was doing all three.

The opening ceromony is long over. And Vader asked me to find the FFXIII scans. I find them in 30 seconds, and Vader is gone! Weird. Oh well time to go to bed now. See you guys later

I know that - it was in relation to your question "Where the fuck is everybody?"

If you're asking about Vader, he's probably playing PixelJunk Eden.

Playing deeper into Killzone, again, it strikes me as odd how this game ever got the "Halo killer" moniker. Odd probably isn't the word...I just can't think of a better one right now.

I mean....it sucks. I like the CONCEPT. I think a better developer could have made this idea into an amazing game. But this game how it is here, is horrible. Its like a very average shooter from early in the PS2's life, except it came out in 2004.

I'm constantly struck by how bad the production values are. Why did this get hyped to have great production?? Because as I said before, the fucking sound alone is ass horrible. Voices are all muffled worse than most PS1 games, its honestly grating whenever someone speaks. And the weapons have no power at all to them. Graphically, it rivals Timesplitter's 1.

Its so sad that they actually blamed the PS2 for this game's shortcomings. Cause I mean Red Faction came out in 2001 and blows this away in every way. PS2's shortcomings had nothing to do with this mess...I think they may have been using PS1 devkits on accident.

And OMFG the aiming.....its one of these shooters where the aiming feels totally akward. Like its actually hard to aim at a target. There's not much I can't stand more than that.

This is just bad.

GG, I recieved a message that said "You have recieved new levels from 218573983759286930296783469373. I'm assuming that's your Wii username.

Trying to see if I could embed a video here...

Never mind!

yodariquo said:

Here's why games can't be art: Art is an expression.  Games are a set of rules.  A game's story, music or visual design can be "art," but the constructs of a game involving reaching a goal, developing character stats or amassing a high score are not emotional expressions or expressions of any kind for that matter.

But you can only make a game so open-ended as every game has set barriers so that the player knows what to do. Can gaming be art? IMO very much so. Just look at Suda-51, Kojima, Tim Schaffer, or Miyamoto; all these developers have a certain style and tone for their game. They all have the player play the game differently as well as come out with totally different experiences from them.

Oh and Gamingeek right here, I think this is the thread where people defend GTA IV as art by the dick.