ravenprose said:

iga_bobovic said:

Hoi, sword fighting cool! The motion control looked impressive with the frisbee!

Agreed. Wii Motion Plus is the best announcement at E3 so far.

Yeah...if its gonna be used in some actual AAA games. That part at the end made me laugh my ass off....they act as if they're about to show off some insanely badass game that takes the Wii to the next level....and its Wii Music.

hiresdes said:

If I remember correctly Edge predicted that Nintendo's biggest game was Animal Crossing, and he was pretty much spot on, besides GTA Chinatown.

Funny thing is, I totally missed the whole GTA part and I was watching it the whole time. Its like Nintendo's embarassed about it...shhhhh, quiet about that GTA game. Not too loud.

Nintendo's event was so bad, that you really have to bump MS's score up a notch in order to fully appreciate the degree to which Nintendo's show ate BBW ass.

GG it is a buyers guide for Nintendo, you think they will have a real game ready this holiday season and not show it. Nintendo has nothing for us, and thats sad.

Third party sure there will be some but I mostly want Nintendo games from the Wii.

N64, GC, Wii... I hope I don't see a pattern here with regard to content.

edgecrusher said:

Again....traditional games don't matter now to the Nintendo casual cash cow.

What kills me is that Conduit is so hyped among the base and Nintendo acts as if it doesn't exist. A game that hyped on the other machines would have been raised to a pedistal. And don't get me going on Fatal Frame....Nintendo's publishing it and it comes out in Japan like next month....not one mention of it. This is the closest Wii has to a new RE game, and no mention. Matt C. was right; they're gonna give it the usual zero marketing then act like they really care when its too late.

They do matter as traditional games are some of the system's best selling games Edge, it just so happens that these core games like mario hype themselves while it's titles like Wii Music that need the focus at an event like this. Fatal Frame is coming out in Japan and nintendo doesn't usually refer to anything but the american market at E3.

dvader said:

Well said, MS treats their third parties like kings, bringing them on stage, advertising their products. Nintendo pretends they dont exist. There are plenty of good 3rd party games, real games, that Nintendo wants to not be a part of cause it does not go along with their new plan which seems to focus only on the casual market.

I don't think it's as simple as that unfortunately. I think it was a crap conference but there is an emotional overeaction going on, which leads to me the sensible, balanced....

angry_beaver said:

The Wii has some good stuff coming, so there's plenty of hope to be had. But it looks like Nintendo's E3s are now reserved almost solely for selling games and systems to an entirely different audience than Sony and Microsoft's. *sigh*

Yeah, pretty much. Nintendo's E3 conferences are now for a very specific purpose and that is to promote on the world stage, to an international mainstream audience, their next casual delight.

Remember last year, it was Wii Fit on the front pages, not killzone 2. But again, just because wii music, wii sports resort exist, it doesn't mean that all the other software we know about does not.

You'd have to be mad to think that EAD mario and zelda teams aren't working on the next iterations. We are in a down period because these games just came out and retro lost their lead designers and artists and are still recruiting. There are logical explanations for all these things and though I am not happy about this conference - except for Animal Crossing - I can't agree with this "Wii is doomed, nintendo is forever casual" vibe I'm getting off a few forumers here.

gamingeek said:

I agree with you both. MS shows games that we have known about for months, if not years. The only suprising thing was the FF13 announcement and that is multiformat game. However they actually focused on the content and did a conference for gamers to highlight some titles and features.

There are tons of projects or potential projects on Wii that they could have highlighted and done the same thing as MS. They could have shown FFCC, or Fragile or Monster Hunter 3, or EA's litany of new games. But instead they chose to highlight things that would gain them mindshare with the mainstream media that will sexplode over wii music or wii sports 2. Remember how we all cringed when wii tennis was demoed for the first time? Or the silence when wii fit was shown? Look at what happened with those titles, look what happened to brain training or nintendogs.

Like last years E3 there are still games coming, Dvader I feel the same in that the conference was personally for me, shit. But at the same time you can't view the conference as a buying guide as to what lies in store for the console's future as we already know that there are many more already announced games or unamed projects to come.

Don't misunderstand GG I see where you are coming from. I know that Nintendo could have done some advertising for the third parties in the way that Microsoft did for RE5 (though there was Shaun Palmer but that wasn't as aweing). But again the reason people get excited about these press conferences is due to seeing new things revealed which is what Nintendo did. Obviously this is due to Nintendo's main focus being the casual market now since they draw in more bucks then anyone which is why they mainly focused on them (of course they still like their fans pooring in money hence Wario Wii and Kirby DS).

I can understand the whole potential factor but really was Microsoft any better? What about future projects from RARE (like the all but confirmed Killer Instinct 3) Silicon Knights (Too Human) and other internal development studios?, 360 price drop?, that new 360 model that is all but confirmed? Again Microsoft didn't show shit nor was Nintendo anything to talk about. The only difference between the two is that Microsoft used a lot of filler by showing already shown games while Nintendo just keep it short and showed their new stuff.

Just as I've said before thinking that this is the end of the road for Nintendo or Microsoft in terms of big announcements then that is incorrect. Expect to hear a few more tidbits slowly come your way during other events until it finally paints a pretty picture of the average E3 blowout of the old just like Nintendo and Microsoft did last year as they didn't have jack shit for E3 but by the time TGS ended you could very well paint a pretty picture of cool new stuff.

Keep spinning guys, last year they did show some games, two years ago there was a huge focus on games. This year, not so much, just "Wii *insert name*"

^ Those Nintendo platforms start off strong and end horrible.

dvader said:

Keep spinning guys, last year they did show some games, two years ago there was a huge focus on games. This year, not so much, just "Wii *insert name*"

Good thing that I am talking about something far broader then E3.

dvader said:

^ Those Nintendo platforms start off strong and end horrible.

Well that's expected. Nintendo release all their shit the first few years, then go into trickle mode the last few while they make software for their next machine. Difference is now, they can just ride the Oprah crowd once the hardcore well runs dry so they don't have to scramble to throw a few bones out like on Gamecube.

N64 though...actually got better the last few years IMO. It was the first few that had nothing, then 98,99,2000 all had a good amount of stuff. Thanks to Rare.

dvader said:

LOLI love gaf: