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What is it The Legend of Zelda is trying to say?
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Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:30:03
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I will fully admit that I am drunk **yes, on a Monday** and most of this prolly won't make sense, but I've had lots of thoughts rolling around in my head about Zelda lately and this topic will be the outlet.

First off: Triforce. Why? Wisdom. Courage and Power. Are there no other virtues that the Japanese value?

Zelda is Wisdom. She is the one that holds the knowledge of the Past and has visions of prophecy in all of the games.

Link is Courage. He is the Hero that takes action without fear for his own well being. He boldly charges headfirst into his fate **the future or the Past** to fix wrong-doing.

Ganon is Power. Power is the force that drives change and alters the world around it.

The three are what makes the gears of Hyrule turn...

...but why is Power always bad? Why would Ganon be chosen by the Goddesses unless his role was a necessary one? He is gifted with the Power of Creation, along with Zelda and Link, but he's always made out to be the bad guy. Why would the Goddesses entrust him with this power then?

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Maybe Ganon isn't necessarily "evil."

One of the constants of The Zelda series is a change of Perspective and Dimensions. Maybe Ganon is just misunderstood? Think about it. The first Zelda was a top down affair. The Adventures of Link went to 2D side-scrolling. Link to the Past added layers to the equation and added depth, offering different floors of Dungeons and the interation between them to solve puzzles. Ocarina went full 3D, but Majora went into the 4th dimension and added the concept of "Time." Yeah, so did Ocarina, but it wasn't as relevant as in Majora. Things kinda stagnated a bit for Twilight and Waker, but Between Worlds was all about being 2-dimensional in a 3D world and considering things from all angles in order to be successful.

In short, the Zelda games have always been about how you look at the world...

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What if, in some kind of cosmic twist, the Goddesses decided to make Link the antagonist for a change and made Ganon the hero? How would people take to it? Isn't it about time to give the "devil" his due? What if taking action, taking charge and displays of Power were necessary in Hyrule for some reason? Being tied to the Past constantly and blindly rushing forward doesn't solve every problem. What if, instead of Courage and Wisdom, the Princess decided to try force?

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Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:45:35
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Yeah. That last sentence was a bad pun... and these ideas were more fleshed-out and thought through when I was sober... but does anyone see what I am getting at?

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Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:52:57
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What if the concept of "Free Will" was introduced into Hyrule and Zelda, Link and Ganon allied to free the world and themselves from the endless loop of events and time and undo what the Goddesses created? Isn't it kinda cruel they are all bound to repeat the same or similar events throughout history without choice?

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Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:54:05
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Yes, I've felt for some time that things need to be shaken up a bit.  As far as those three being tied to the Tricorce, Skyward Sword kind of clarifies that a bit.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:55:24
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"The Golden Triangle"

The golden triangle is used to form a logarithmic spiral. By bisecting the base angles, a new point is created that in turn, makes another golden triangle.[3] The bisection process can be continued infinitely, creating an infinite number of golden triangles. A logarithmic spiral can be drawn through the vertices. This spiral is also known as an equiangular spiral, a term coined by René Descartes. "If a straight line is drawn from the pole to any point on the curve, it cuts the curve at precisely the same angle," hence equiangular.[4]



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Tue, 11 Nov 2014 01:15:05
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Nothing.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:39:00
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Well, in the case of this mythos power is equally distributed between Link, Zelda and Ganon.

Link, Zelda and Ganon all have a lot of power over their environment and the end result. Ganon is more a symbol of imposed control.

As for the repetion of the myth. I would like to think that each time something changes slightly, and that by the end of the repetition some resolution will be achieved. When you look at the course of human history though, we have seen the same actions and consequences repeat themselves with no progress though. Which is the power of the re-telling.

I am fine with the Legend being re-told each 7 years or so, it is as legends have always been passed down, from one generation to the next.  It's like an oral history, with each generation emphasizing the points which are most applicable and pertinent to the time.

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Tue, 11 Nov 2014 11:33:02
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Power is distibuted equally, but Ganon always loses.

I guess alone Link can't defeat Ganon. (Courage over Power)

Link and Zelda need to team up in some fashion to beat him. (Courage --and-- Wisdom over Power)

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What if, one day, they NEED Ganon? Say Hyrule is invaded by outside forces or another Kingdom and they need his Power...?

** This is the 'merican in me when I say: "Sometimes in order to make peace, you need to wage war." **

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Tue, 11 Nov 2014 11:48:07
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Interesting...that would be a nice change playing as Ganon. Or having Ganon and Link actually on the same side to fight against a greater threat.

I still like the idea of a futuristic Zelda too.

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Wed, 12 Nov 2014 08:30:06
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Power is distibuted equally, but Ganon always loses.

I guess alone Link can't defeat Ganon. (Courage over Power)

Link and Zelda need to team up in some fashion to beat him. (Courage --and-- Wisdom over Power)

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What if, one day, they NEED Ganon? Say Hyrule is invaded by outside forces or another Kingdom and they need his Power...?

** This is the 'merican in me when I say: "Sometimes in order to make peace, you need to wage war." **

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Wed, 12 Nov 2014 08:34:15
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^(since quoting is a ficle bitch).

Look at the tri-force symbol. Ganon does not have more power than anyone else.

What you are saying (back to my imposed control theory) is like saying, well, what if link is infertile, won't ganon have to come in to finish the job?"

Each have the same power, it is a choice as to how they use it. Zelda over Link, Link over his environment, Ganon over Zelda.  Ganon seeks Zelda to balance his evil, it's not his fault, but he goes around it in the wrong way.  Link is the balance between Zelda's under utilized postive power and ganon's appeal to base instinct.

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Wed, 12 Nov 2014 10:53:28
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It's difficult to not get confused, perhaps I shouldn't use the word Power to describe their strengths and should just reserve the word Power for the Triforce Ganon possesses.

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Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:23:12

Isn't it just a matter of that power corrupts?  I'm sure that if Link had near endless power, he'd turn out the same way as 'Dorfy.

Also, the Golden Triangle isn't an equilateral triangle like the Triforce, is it?

Doesn't the Zelda lore say that the Triforce will chose 3 people on it's own?  It's not as if Zelda, Link and Ganon derive their power from the Triforce.  The Triforce only grants power when you hold all 3 pieces.  So all these theories about one being overpowered, or all being equal to eachother, due to the Triforce fall through.  They're just 3 people who happen to be touched by some higher entity.

Also, Ganon goes for Zelda first because princess'es are easier to locate and capture than elfish boys born in some outskirt of Hyrule wearing cameo gear and with an affinity for sharp objects and bombs.

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Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:00:36

Deep down, it's trying to say one simple thing:

"Help me"

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Thu, 13 Nov 2014 05:54:00

This is like the people trying to figure the Zelda timeline. Nyaa

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Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:20:41
phantom_leo said:

It's difficult to not get confused, perhaps I shouldn't use the word Power to describe their strengths and should just reserve the word Power for the Triforce Ganon possesses.

Ah, okay. Gotcha.

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Fri, 14 Nov 2014 16:26:28

Has there ever been a Zelda game where Link and Ganon team up like true bros?

Also, why is it that I sometimes see people saying Ganon and other times saying Ganondorf? Are they different people?

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Fri, 14 Nov 2014 17:28:06
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Has there ever been a Zelda game where Link and Ganon team up like true bros?

Yep, every game.  They have a true Cain and Abel dynamic. Nyaa

"Ganondorf" is his human, given name.

"Ganon" is his evil, demon form name after corrupted with power.

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Fri, 14 Nov 2014 17:52:52

sO THEY BRO IT UP ALL GAMES?

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