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Sun, 15 Aug 2010 23:47:05
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I have been waiting to replay the Kain series for a while now and now that I have my PS2 back it's the perfect time. I own 4 of the games and played all 5. I rented Blood Omen 2, its easily the worst in the series, not a bad game but not as good as the others. Also its more of a side story so it doesn't really matter if I play that one. So I will play the 4 main games in the series of course starting with Blood Omen. This time I will probably do a much better job of following along with the story cause instead of year breaks between games I will play them all back to back. Glorious voice acting is upon me, to this day it's still the best voice acted series out there.


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I have a feeling this one not many played. It came out in 1996 about a year into the PS1 life. I was following the game for a while cause it was am epic  Zelda game with Vampires, what is not to love. What I didn't expect was how well told the story and voice acting was. Remember at this time we were playing games like Resident Evil, so going from that to this is world's apart. This game also introduced me to Silicon Knights, I knew they had a great future after playing this game, sadly this maybe their greatest achievement. (Yes I know Eternal Darkness was excellent but this game was special). It is a shame they lost the rights to Kain as I wonder how the story would have turned out. This game has a story for babies compared to what happens later on in the series, it went completely crazy with the time travel.

I started the game up yesterday, I still remember all the lines to the opening movie, "Call your dogs! They can feast on your corpses!". What struck me the most is how PCish this game feels. It has this early 90's PC game sound and look to it, you'd expect dialogue like this from a PC RPG. It was different than what was mostly on consoles at the time.

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The game is still a blast to play minus the annoying load times which is the only major blemish on an otherwise great experience. The world is gigantic with plenty of areas you quite can't reach yet just like Zelda. Combat is a bit slow but the variety of spells and objects makes it interesting enough and the difficulty is balanced very well. I have played for about 5 hours now and still have a long long way to go, this is one of the largest top down action RPGS out there.

I have gone through a few dungeons which are basically trap riddled, enemy filled areas with many switch "puzzles" (not so much puzzles as its more find the switch of the door kind of thing). This is where masterpieces like Zelda set themselves apart, when you get into a dungeon in Zelda you are in for one incredibly designed, puzzle/action filled area. Here it's a linear trek that's disguised as a maze. The most complex puzzles come from using one of your spells at the right time or pulling three switches in the right order. I still have not acquired the control mind spell which adds a bit of the Zelda puzzle flare to the game but never to it's full potential.

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I still have a long way to go. I have played the first half of this game a bunch of times, for some reason I never finished it after the first time I did. So I have strong memories of the start, I still remember everything up until about Vorador's mansion, after that my memory is fuzzy besides a few major moments at the end.

So have you guys played this game? Have you played the Soul Reaver games but never this one?

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Sun, 15 Aug 2010 23:56:33
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I never played this series before. Also, I was surprised to find out it was from Dyack.

Where did he go wrong?

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Sun, 15 Aug 2010 23:56:58
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Oh and I forgot one thing about my playtime with Blood Omen:

VAE VICTUS!
VAE VICTUS!
VAE VICTUS!
VAE VICTUS!

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I never played this series before. Also, I was surprised to find out it was from Dyack.

Where did he go wrong?

I don't know, he seems to fight with every company that works with SK. Also he takes forever to make a game, this one took over 3 years and they had to double their team. He is ambitious but I don't know if he knows how to manage.

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I don't know, he seems to fight with every company that works with SK. Also he takes forever to make a game, this one took over 3 years and they had to double their team. He is ambitious but I don't know if he knows how to manage.

Legacy of Kain turned out well, right?

But for his other games, I think his ambition is destroying him...maybe his pride.

I can't believe the Canadian government gave him 400million to waste it on Too Human 2.

What a silly title: Too Human 2!

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The only game in this series that I played was Soul Reaver on Dreamcast. It was good, but I never finished it.

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Mon, 16 Aug 2010 00:05:27
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ASK_Story said:

Legacy of Kain turned out well, right?

But for his other games, I think his ambition is destroying him...maybe his pride.

I can't believe the Canadian government gave him 400million to waste it on Too Human 2.

What a silly title: Too Human 2!

Yeah LoK was excellent, so was Eternal Darkness. The MGS remake was fine, it was what it was. Then they took forever to make Too Human and they are stuck on that series. They haven't done much cause they take so much time to do anything.

What is going on with Canada??? It should be called Two Human or 2 Human. Nyaa

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Mon, 16 Aug 2010 00:05:58
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I loved Blood Omen. Easily one of my 5 favorite PS1 games. I was shocked at what I was playing at the time too. Was not prepared for how ruthless of a game it would be.  The rest of the series didn't impress me though.  Once Raziel was brought in and the game went 3-D it just didn't feel as cool.
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The only game in this series that I played was Soul Reaver on Dreamcast. It was good, but I never finished it.

Good, just good... never finished... *cries*

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Mon, 16 Aug 2010 02:56:12

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The only game in this series that I played was Soul Reaver on Dreamcast. It was good, but I never finished it.

Same here. It suffered a little from camera, like many games in that period.  It was ok, I always felt like I didn't appreciate the story as much as they were indicating I should be.


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Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:22:00
Soul Reaver was pretty sweet and run in silky smooth 60 fps on Dreamcast. The PS version was really good too though, 30 fps but mostly the same. And yeah it had issues but it was at least far more organic and fluid than other (non-Zelda) games of the era like Tomb Raider, and it did have just a few block puzzles too, which was nice. Awesome environments. Not to mention the gameplay was practically a 3D Castlevania done RIGHT Konami eat your heart out sort of thing. The combat felt really nice back then too, I liked using the different weapons in the environment to impale people with. I never got the sequels though, they didn't seem to advance the series in any way. I tried some Kain-focused game on PC (3D, not the original here) but that one sucked ass, it was horrible.
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Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:30:52
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Ravenprose said:
The only game in this series that I played was Soul Reaver on Dreamcast. It was good, but I never finished it.

Same here. It suffered a little from camera, like many games in that period.  It was ok, I always felt like I didn't appreciate the story as much as they were indicating I should be.

I think it was one of those cases where you had to play the first and get invested in the story from the beginning to really appreciate it. For its time Blood Omen really did have a very bloody and ruthless storyline that most other games didn't have. By the time the Soul Reaver sequels came out though the idea of mature storylines was much more commonplace in console gaming so it wasn't as interesting people just getting into the series.  

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Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:26:04

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Soul Reaver was pretty sweet and run in silky smooth 60 fps on Dreamcast. The PS version was really good too though, 30 fps but mostly the same. And yeah it had issues but it was at least far more organic and fluid than other (non-Zelda) games of the era like Tomb Raider, and it did have just a few block puzzles too, which was nice. Awesome environments. Not to mention the gameplay was practically a 3D Castlevania done RIGHT Konami eat your heart out sort of thing. The combat felt really nice back then too, I liked using the different weapons in the environment to impale people with. I never got the sequels though, they didn't seem to advance the series in any way. I tried some Kain-focused game on PC (3D, not the original here) but that one sucked ass, it was horrible.

Yup, I totally agree. The Kain game you played was Blood Omen 2, that is the black sheep, the one I don't own.

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Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:09:01
I only played Soul Reaver, I liked it, though its combat sort of feels like a magnet sucking you towards the enemy. Sort of like Arkham Asylum.

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Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:58:03
Blood Omen is on PSN now.  I wonder if they managed to fix those load times. It'd totally be worth getting again.
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Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:58:42
I am probably past the midpoint now. I forgot how many spells and artifacts there are in this game. The good thing is that they are all useful in their own way. The bad thing is switching between them is a pain, specifically weapons and armor cause that makes you press start which makes it load for like 7 seconds. I read that Dyack wanted to make a game where there was no super weapon, a game where all items have their strength and weaknesses and well he managed to do that. The new armor you get is only useful in certain situations. Like this flesh armor that sucks the blood of the enemies automatically as you attack, its great on humans cause you get juicy red blood but you cant use it against demons or you will be poisoned. It's useless with the flame sword cause that burns the enemies leaving no blood. With the axe its a perfect combo cause the axe kills enemies so quickly you will never get them to a stun point to feed, with the flesh armor you don't have to worry about that. It's great to have so many options. It's almost too many as you can be overpowering at times, I have yet to die once (I have plenty of Hearts of Darkness). The game isn't easy, it just gives you more than enough items and health to keep you alive.

I just fought the double team boss fight which were the third and fourth bosses. They are just ok. All this one boss did was run around making puddles of water, you chase him and hit him, thats it. Again the game could have learned a little something from Zelda in the boss department especially since you have so many spells and weapons. This is one of those games that is afraid to make you play one way, well that is cool in that it gives you a bit of freedom but that requires enemies and bosses to be able to be defeated by all types of weapons meaning you can't have enemies with certain weaknesses and such which I believe leads to better gameplay.

I am 10 hours in or so, I have found about 35 secrets of 100. Backtracking to find the secrets are a bit of a pain as warp points are spread too far, rather the game world just takes too much time to navigate. Still its a great time. I should be finishing it in a day or two.
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Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:24:12
Wow, Legacy of Kain for the Atari 2600! GASP

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Tue, 17 Aug 2010 00:03:37
What the fuck is that? A wrist watch against a white turd?
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Tue, 17 Aug 2010 03:20:06

Blood Omen & Soul Reaver were by far the best games in the series. After that, the quality dropped bigtime. I'm really shocked that the series wasn't revisited on the next-gen consoles though....it could have been amazing. Soul Reaver style game with Assassin's Creed level graphics, or a Blood Omen style Digital Download with Shadow Complex level production.

What was so memorable about Blood Omen to me, was how evil of a vibe the game had...it really felt like you were a vampire in this dark world. One of the most evil feeling games I've ever played, still to this day. It was like a Death Metal album from Morbid Angel in videogame form.

If Crystal Dynamics isn't going to do anything with it, they should give the rights back to Silicon Knights.

& The intro movie to Soul Reaver is still one of the best intros. Ever. cool.gif

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