Dvader said:

Foolz said:

Don't worry, it's impossible for Vader to be disappointed by a Zelda game.

Then what is Spirit Tracks?

Dvader said:

Agnates said:

No clue, it's not like this is 100% certain, can't exactly trust the sources in everything. Maybe you need to somehow activate it rather than it being like that 100% of the time? Well, I don't care as long as the game is fun (as most claim so far), it just seems they did some things sloppier than they claimed I guess (as usual). We'll have to wait for Zelda to see exactly what M+ can really do I guess, outside WSR, and if that's enough for it to hold its own in light of the more advanced techs around the corner (I think the answer will be hell yes, I doubt they'd use it in Zelda otherwise).

I think the new Zelda will be revolutionary. I expect some major innovation in motion control, something that everyone will be copying for years to come.

I agree. They are going to show how motionplus can add value to your game and then everyone is going to be using these systems for years to come.

Dvader said:

Game looks great but I saw that new vid that shows that slashes occur without showing the sword. It kind of makes it look like any sword game pre-motion plus. I still think it will be a great game and it is easily one of the best looking Wii game.

It slashes exactly the way you swing, showing the sword on screen while you're flailing about would obstruct the view, especially with the on screen effects and jaunty camera angles.

Saw this on the IGN boards:

"I play it and m+ is doing a great with the controls. The game stays at 60fps so that helps a lot! The thing is that you don't see your sword move with your hard/arm (1 to 1) like in WSR but all of your strikes move in the right directions. ALL OF THEM. When you hold "A" you will be in defensive mode and its more 1 to 1 there. Believe me. I'm been playing it about 5hrs +. I seen on IGN that the forward stab doesn't work... well it work for me every single time and I been doing it with fast forward motions. It doesn't use the IR for the forward stab too like i thought it would ( I cover the top of the wii mote with my hand). Pointing and shooting is great and very very smooth like metroid but better becasue you can change the bounding box and turn speeds. You can even change the turn speed when the cursor is off screen(m+ ). You don't have to swing hard because you can change the swing strength. "Enemy Lock on" is the best when turned to manual. You hold Z to lock and what ever character you are pointing at is the one you lock on to. You change enemies by press Z again."

"The difficulty isnt typical lame metroid prime style difficulties, where everything is the same except you take more damage and they take stupid amounts less dragging the combat out into tedium instead of simply making it more challenging.

On easy mode, even if you get surrounded, you only really have to worry about the guy right in front of you, and you can pretty much block all attacks no matter how you hold your block.

On normal getting surrounded is pretty bad, you have to block more, how you block is more important more often more enemies will attack you at once, enemies will block more.

Ninja mode ge3tting surrounded will end you fast, as all enemies in an area will attack you simultaneously without restraint, you will need to use all your moves, particularly the counterattacks, constantly keep moving....."

As for Red Steel 2, it doesn't have tracking  as good as Wii Sports Resort, so if it has lag or whatever (which I don't think it  does) that doesn't mean it's the motion plus' fault. How dumb is it to  still use third party software to judge the capabilities of the Wii?

Its combat system however is very deep and engaging.

Full  1:1 mechanics alone won't make combat engaging for long. You need proper   traditional mechanics for blocking and attacking and countering and you need to throw in some gesture based attacks to spice things up, like   the finishers and some other special moves in Red Steel 2. You even get a   special that lets you throw a weird blast similar to how you throw a   frisbee  in Wii Sports Resort, able to send it to three rough directions (left, center, right)   depending on where in the arc you release the buttons.

The  melee combat can be described as Zelda on steroids. You circle strafe  enemies, using A to dodge in all directions, either to get to the sides  or  behind the enemy, or to move further back, or close in. Then, you slash  away at any angle you want with motion plus as shown in that gif.  Holding A down blocks most melee and ranged attacks, except for strong  attacks which need  you to either hold the sword vertically, or horizontally, to counter  their orientation. You also can't just waggle away, especially to make  strong attacks against enemies that need them (to break their armor or  break  their block stance or whatever else) as you need a certain swing  strength to   activate them, so you'll find yourself playing it somewhat   realistically, not waggling in front of you, but first swinging back to get room for a large and strong swing. This probably makes some  people think it's not 100% reliable, they likely don't make a strong  enough swing (but you can change the sensitivity).

Then you get all sorts of move upgrades (some from the story, others you purchase, alongside new guns, and further efficiency upgrades both for the special moves and the guns, as well as health and armor stuff) that are  mostly gesture based but enhance the combat greatly, including a parry  that has you pushing forward with the remote and nunchuck just  before an attack to make the opponent stagger, charging your sword  with  A+B then doing the upward slash to launch them, or a downward strike to  send a wave around you, it has many different moves that  make the fighting system as robust as any good beat 'em up, having you  exploit the weaknesses of the specific enemy type (there are many), not just 1:1   waggling. It is by far the better option for a deep engaging game,   Ubisoft will surprise you all when you get it.

It  has flaws, but the combat system is way cool and up there with the  best of the brawlers, not to mention the shooting on top of that for  even more variety, which while it has The Conduit-like settings for full  control customisation, it also has cursor smoothing as seen in Metroid Prime 3 (smoothing is a separate option too) which makes the cursor movement feel  much tighter and better than in lesser Wii shooters.

[...other posts followed, then he spoke of the camera when asked about it...]

The  camera, like I said, has The Conduit-like  options, with Metroid Prime 3-like cursor smoothing. It's excellent. For melee,  you lock on enemies like in Zelda in first person. It's just as  tight as in those games. Depending on the lock-on options you can  have it so that camera movement stops when you hold Z even if you're not  locked on an enemy, so that you don't move it around while attempting  to  swing, or looking up or down as you do so. You tend to use it like that   when smashing stuff in the levels (there are tons of breakables and  secrets to  find apparently, the game is mostly linear but it has enough exploration  for secrets and some backtracking as in the Metroid Prime games, though after  certain points you can't backtrack further anymore, and move to   completely different areas with their own exploration etc).

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Foolz said:

Ico does.

Yeah but Ico isn't a game.

robio said:

Yeah but Ico isn't a game.

Indeed, it has transcended the medium.