I have been thinking about what went wrong with Nintendo and if they can fix it. You look back at the Wii and what made it successful it was a totally brand new idea. Everyone has used a touchpad before, almost all a better touchpad than the Wii U pad. No one had ever used anything like the wiimote. It was something you can show off to anyone and instantly grab their attention. The Wii was innovative with the perfect companion game. It became the party game machine, the family machine. The capturing of the casual market allowed them to succeed last gen and maybe that is the market they should have stayed focused on. They still gave us gamers the games we love, just on inferior hardware. They were never going to capture the core gamer market and the third party publishers going head to head with MS and Sony, Nintendo knew this so they switched focus and it worked. They were very healthy for some years and the other consoles were very healthy, everyone was happy.

Then Nintendo decided to go back to the hardcore, a noble gesture but one they are paying for and may be a complete disaster. Of course their biggest mistake is making the hardware a gen back, this is the biggest cause of the lack and future lack of third party games. The Wii Pad is not innovative, its not new, its not something people can latch to and say wow this is cool I want. So the Wii U is not a system core gamers want and its not something casuals even pay attention to, who is this console for? The hardcore Nintendo fans? We are gamers, yeah i buy the console to play Nintendo games but I expect some other stuff. I enjoyed the Wii for three years, it had some cool third party stuff, I dont see that same thing happening with Wii U. The Wii made a great secondary console, I dont know if the Wii U can claim that, you cant ask people to pay over $300 just to play Nintendo games.

Many will point to GC and say Wii U will just be another GC. Gamecube is from another era when third party exclusives were still happening frequently. The GC had Resident Evil exclusivity, some Star Wars games, some other Capcom games, Metal Gear Twin Snakes, big time Sega support. There was plenty of the GC outside of the usual Nintendo games. Also the market was different, PS2 was the king with Xbox and GC fighting for sraps but it still worked for them and made them different. Now we have an era where all three consoles are huge successes and the third party exclusive is almost extinct.

Clearly the Wii U will not be another Wii, the concept simply isnt there and I dont see what they could do to fix it. If they dont get the casuals why would the core get the system if all it has are Nintendo games. It won't be like GC cause there wont be many third party exclusives and that is during this first year when they could keep up. What happens next year when all dev teams shift to new graphics and leave Wii U in the dust. What happens when the new Xbox and PS4 sell well, both outsell the Wii U easily, both offer a huge library of new games and features. Why would third parties put their game on the Wii U? Why would people buy a Wii U without third parties? They are stuck.

Can Nintendo survive on their brand alone, I guess but its going to end up with sales worse than GC, that seems like a total faliure to me. Nintendo needs to refocus and decide what do they want to be. If they do want the core (which they will never get) they have to be up to par with modern systems first before addressing anything else. If they want to do the Wii again they need another spark of innovative concepts, the Wii U is lacking in them. I guess I should have seen this coming but I expected the Wii U would capture more of the casuals than they have. I expected half the sales of the Wii which would still make it a successful system. But I dont see how this system will sell more than the GC at this point, its only going to get worse once the others hit.

Posted by Dvader Sat, 16 Feb 2013 00:23:33 (comments: 56)
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Mon, 18 Feb 2013 03:57:21
Foolz said:

Why do people think the "casual" market has lost interest when Dance Central and the like still crap all over "hardcore" games. Sure sales aren't so great for "hardcore" games, but then it's still obviously a market people would want to go after if the alternate is even worse.

Just Dance 3 sold more than Just Dance 4. That's the evidence.

 
Mon, 18 Feb 2013 05:16:42
robio said:

Just Dance 3 sold more than Just Dance 4. That's the evidence.

But sales are down across the board. It's still selling better than most.

 
Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:55:16

Just watched the Nintendo Direct about Luigi's Mansion for the first time. I had NO IDEA they actually DID call 2013 the 'Year of Luigi' until now --and-- I thought the Luigi DLC was for NSMB 2, when it is actually for NSMB Wii U.

 
Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:20:45
oh jesus
 
Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:14:57
phantom_leo said:

I am just playing Devil's Advocate here, by the way, with EVERYTHING I am posting. Nintendo's not showing much to inspire confidence, unless you read between the lines (which, with Nintendo, usually turns out to be wrong) ---BUT--- everyone's arguments that EVERYONE else will be better next generation is complatetly flawed based on THIS generation's mistakes and the fact that we currently know NOTHING about MS and Sony's machines yet.

Examples: What games is everyone looking forward to that we know 100% are coming? What will the gimmicks be or will there be no gimmicks? What are the ACTUAL specs of these machines?

You shouldn't be excited yet, if you don't know ANYTHING yet! Saying Nintendo is in trouble based on knowing NOTHING about Next Gen is kinda silly.


You know as well as I do that the entire industry is moving onto these next two consoles.There is zero question of support, the ENTIRE industry will be supporting them, the entire next generation of games will play on these two. Wii U will be fighting for scraps in the same way Wii did.

 
Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:19:03
Dvader said:

You know as well as I do that the entire industry is moving on... There is zero support, the ENTIRE industry will be fighting for scraps in the same way Wii did.

Fixed.

 
Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:20:27
phantom_leo said:

Fixed.

Oh dont be another of these doomsday guys. The industry will be fine.

 
Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:20:30

So... 360 and PS3 will have Ubi, Activision and EA, and Nintendo will have Nintendo. Seems about even to me! Who else is left again?

 
Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:46:41
While I'm certain things will pick up for the Wii U and that it'll do ok I think it'll be the third place system this gen and the best options for Nintendo is more marketing and keeping the price point between it and the other two systems significantly cheaper. They should just ride out the gen for about four years.
 
Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:47:40
Archangel3371 said:
While I'm certain things will pick up for the Wii U and that it'll do ok I think it'll be the third place system this gen and the best options for Nintendo is more marketing and keeping the price point between it and the other two systems significantly cheaper. They should just ride out the gen for about four years.

Yeah 3-4 years max. They will need to join the next gen. Or they need some huge casual game idea.

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