I'm still waiting for somebody to make a game where Aliens look like the typical "Greys" of pop culture. But have them a bit twisted and truly frightening, a la the movie Signs.

I would have preferred that in Conduit, over the gamey aliens that look like something out of Turok.

There, I posted. You happy now assholes, eh? Eh? EH?!

Ravenprose said:

gamingeek said:

"The Conduit is a revolutionary new shooter for Nintendo's Wii" What?!

It looks so linear, but the one thing that it has going for it is that it looks quite frenetic and the controls and visuals are suppossed to be top notch for the system (arguably - generic art)

That's marketing speak for "Teh cool game! Buy it!"

I don't mind linear games. In fact, I usually prefer them. It's that frenetic action that's selling me on the game now. This visuals are quite good, but as you said, the art is generic. Why do alien's have to be bugs in most games/movies?  

edgecrusher said:

I'm still waiting for somebody to make a game where Aliens look like the typical "Greys" of pop culture. But have them a bit twisted and truly frightening, a la the movie Signs.

I would have preferred that in Conduit, over the gamey aliens that look like something out of Turok.

There, I posted. You happy now assholes, eh? Eh? EH?!

Edge you just gave another reason why PD64 was (is) awesome!

Ravenprose said:

I kinda liked the first Turok game on N64, but I never did finish it. I kept getting lost in its massive fog-o-war, and other weirdness.

The first two were excellent, then it went downhill! 

...They're still making EverQuest 2 expansions?

Iga_Bobovic said:

Punk is has found himself in the middle of a 2D/3D discussion again. This time it is at Neogaf.

Seriously. It's impossible to keep a flowing logical conversation:

Poster: "I'd kill for a 2D Tales of Wii to look like this" *posts picture*

Me: "Why have such low expectations, those sprites look as good or as worse as some DS or Saturn games. Why not expect sprite quality of Hotaku No Ken and Odin Sphere?"

Different Poster: "Those games don't really look significantly better then the Tales games. They look similar but I guess it's up to art style tastes" (WHICH IS EXACTLY MY POINT THE GAME WOULD LOOK DATED) "Also Hotaku No Ken and Odin Sphere have terrible animation."

Me: "I was talking about sprite quality not animation. Besides why can't we expect more of production from the game?"

Poster: "It's 2D so it would be far more expensive and harder to do."

Me: "3D now is a whole different ball game then what it once was. Developers now have to animate hair, clothing, muscles, facial expressions, mustaches, etc.  I'm just saying at this point in time where 3D has become so detailed on consoles that making a 640p 2D game really isn't that much of a feat anymore."

Mod Reply: "What!? Are you honestly saying that it would be cheaper and faster to do a extremely high resolution 2D game then a standard 3D game like Tales of Vesperia or Tales of Synphonia 2!? Do you even play Tales games or are just here to argue?"

Me: "That's not what I said at all. I said that if Namco can afford to make high quality 3D games then why can't they make a 2D game in standard resolution for such a big series? Especially with all of the different ways of doing 2D now? Nintendo uped the anty with Wario Land Shake It! by using hand-drawn sprites and that game didn't even have that big of a budget, why not expect Namco to do so on one of the if not their biggest series?"

Poster: "I have not seen a 3D game that has even scratched the surface of what you are talking about." (Yes I mean 3D games with facial expressions, moving muscles, animating hair or clothing? Wow talk about years into the future.) "Hell Tales of Vesperia didn't even have mocaping."

Me: "I have seen some 3D games do this and mocap has been used before in which I'm sure you know." (He apparently lacks common sense I had to retract). "But anyway I'm just saying that the cost of making a 3D game and a 2D one is bridging due to 3D getting more complex and new forms of 2D emerging. Just curious what type of 2D do you have in mind for a Tales Wii? Pixel art like the previous ones? Computerized like Street Fighter II HD Remix and Aquaria? Hand-Drawn like Wario Land Shake It!?"

Poster: "I know what motion capturing is. And I don't consider Stret Fighter II HD REmix or Aquaria feats because they have horridble animation."

I mean seriously what the fuck? All I've been trying to say is that a 2D Tales game for the Wii should have higher quality sprites then those that look like they've been created 1o years ago. Yet people keep assuming that I'm saying things I'm not. Seriously between this and the topics I"ve created I'm qucikly realizing why so few who have accounts actually post in NeoGaf. Yes it's cool that you don't have stupid trolls like Carnageheart or annoyances like MechaKirby, but it's irrtating as hell when you try to make a point (not even just a simple comment) without everybody analyzing it trying to find the least thing wrong that they could view in their eyes and responding to anything that doesn't seem to be "correct or good" for the right of the industry. I mean what the fuck so far NOBODY has actually gave a response to my question. A mod asked if I'm just there to argue? Of course not I'm replying to somebody response. It's things like this that remind me why I went here.

SteelAttack said:

gamingeek said:

Graphics wise though, great stuff. I hope my bro loves this, it's a classic I will remember for years to come. I should be getting my hands on Dead Space and Gears 2 soon. Very soon. And Assasins Creed. Did someone say that one should play the main missions only in Assasins Creed right?

Never tried Bully. I think I should get the Wii version. You saw Alien? The first one? It's like being inside the Nostromo. Weird vibes, creepy atmosphere, something always moving ahead of you, feelings of unease. I think if somebody does this game with Ripley as the main and fighting aliens instead of abhorrent creatures it could be the definitive Alien videogame.

You didn't even like the first Gears, anus! What are you looking for in the second one? Besides more locust, that is. Lol.

Yeah, stick to the main missions in Ass Creed and you'll be pleasantly surprised by what the game has to offer..

 Hey I bought it for my Gears loving brother. It's only right that I try it. Prepare for the New Year bitching!

How does the progression in Ass Creed work? You do intel gathering bits before going for the actual kill? Is Dead Space frugal with the ammo or what? And the Aliens arcade game is still the greatest. The 3rd person 2-D side scrolling shooter. 

Ravenprose said:

gamingeek said:

"The Conduit is a revolutionary new shooter for Nintendo's Wii" What?!

It looks so linear, but the one thing that it has going for it is that it looks quite frenetic and the controls and visuals are suppossed to be top notch for the system (arguably - generic art)

 That's marketing speak for "Teh cool game! Buy it!"

I don't mind linear games. In fact, I usually prefer them. It's that frenetic action that's selling me on the game now. This visuals are quite good, but as you said, the art is generic. Why do alien's have to be bugs in most games/movies? I really don't mind, though. I just want something that I can shoot that moves quickly, and will give me a nice challenge. It appears The Conduit will give me that. Also, there's the 16 player deathmatch, MotionPlus, and Wii Speak support. As long as the game isn't total crap when it comes out, I'll most likely buy it.

 It was X-Plays intro, Sessler voice over: "The Conduit is a revolutionary new shooter for Nintendo's Wii" Cracked me up. Anyway if you get the controls right in a FPS on the system the battle is halfway won already when it comes to me as I like the instinctual controls. I will most likely at least try it. I tend to try most FPS on the system even if they are dog turds. Plus another excuse to use WiiSpeak is good. 

edgecrusher said:

I'm still waiting for somebody to make a game where Aliens look like the typical "Greys" of pop culture. But have them a bit twisted and truly frightening, a la the movie Signs.

I would have preferred that in Conduit, over the gamey aliens that look like something out of Turok.

There, I posted. You happy now assholes, eh? Eh? EH?!?  

 Never happy. We want nude pics of you in front of the Christmas tree, holding a candy cane in front of your bits. Of course, it would have to be a really small cane Do you remember Elvis in Perfect Dark? The freaking greatest/most annoying little Grey alien. I wouldn't mind a decent X-Files game. I've been re-watching the series from series 3, on series 4 now, Mulder just went to Tunguska. I used to love this series and it's still better than most shit on these days. They are showing 5 episodes a week. Shame I missed the re-runs of series 1 and 2 If I remember correctly, Scully shags Spooky and they have a baby?

I just watched the Madworld trailer How cool is that. My one worry is that it will be hard to see stuff if it's all black and white. 

On a scale of 1-10, just how cool is this? I want to throw a grenade in there though. 

Ugh, just read the Prince of Persia news. The 360/PS3 versions are the only ones which stand some reasonable expectation of quality. Although looking at Shaun White that may not be a given. Aren't they spreading themselves a bit thin? They probably outsourced the game of the movie, A-Teamed the 360/PS3 version and put the C-Team on Wii/DS. Where the hell is Splinter Cell though?

Did the updates, Metal Gear iPhone based on characters and scenarios from MGS4?

Silent Hill iPhone? You would think that Konami would bring touch games to DS with the huge install base or have them on both platforms. Metal Gear iPhone? Anyone own an iPhone here?

gamingeek said:

Hey I bought it for my Gears loving brother. It's only right that I try it. Prepare for the New Year bitching!

How does the progression in Ass Creed work? You do intel gathering bits before going for the actual kill? Is Dead Space frugal with the ammo or what? And the Aliens arcade game is still the greatest. The 3rd person 2-D side scrolling shooter.

Oh God. You can leave angry messages about Gears in my AC town, lol.

Yeah, pretty much. You receive information in Acre about your next target, and then you travel to the city, where you'll do a series of missions for gathering intel. The missions are ALWAYS of the same three types, so you want to pick a couple different ones for each assassination, to avoid repetition as much as possible. Also, you want to do as little intel missions as possible, because doing all of them is a chore.

When playing Dead Space, I thought at times "shit, this game is hard with the ammo, or what?" until I realized that I could break crates to get ammunition, lol. Ammo for big weapons is scarce, but your first weapon (plasma cutter) has plenty of ammo lying around and the enemies drop ammo on a regular basis. The bad thing is that the basic weapon takes a lot to kill bad guys.

I remember the Genesis version of that Alien game.

Iga_Bobovic said:

edgecrusher said:

Independent Lair developer Factor 5 laid off over 35 staff members last week, sources have independently told Gamasutra.

Do you think Factor 5's problems could get any worse than having "Independent Rogue Squadron developer" replaced with "Independent LAIR developer" for the whole generation?

Wow, it seems like these guys are on the way out. 38 people, and some had to take pay cuts? WOW. Doesn't sound too good for their future or the future of their Wii projects.

 Wow, this is just sad.

 Nintendo should buy them.