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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:53:01

And THIS is why I HATE reading Neogaf. Hrm

dvader said:

I think that Nintendo may be making mistakes now that my hurt them in the future.  I think this whole buy a perhipheral for every game garbage they are doing is going to sting them later on.  The Wiimote is great, focus on that, everything else will slowly diminish the focus on the wiimote.

Yeah I see what you mean. Not to mention that when they are in a tight spot they can't introduce it. I think the balance board would've been a wonder to introduce a few years from now, especially if it could detect where your foot hits so you could run and kick in the game.

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I'm glad Sony lost some steam too, but then again, I'd hate for Microsoft to ever be in the spot Sony was even more. Everything we've been talking about....its clear MS have no real vision or leadership skills. They just copy idea's from everyone else and throw tons of money at it. If they had those things, the 360 would be doing much better and have all those genres you mentioned covered. And MS in a dominant PS2-like position where they can throw down the ol' lock n' key....just scares me.

You could also throw Ubisoft into Xbox's corner I think. They clearly made the Xbox the priority last-gen, especially with the Tom Clancy stuff.But I know you mean exclusives. I'd never dream of buying those on PS2. Xbox also had a stronghold on most PC developers to work on Xbox. Whereas this gen you see most of them also on PS3, while Japanese developers you see making more 360 games...its weird.

That's a big part of Sony's problem now: their success has always been because of huge amounts of 3rd-party exclusives. Look how many they've lost now, with PS3. Sony's 1st-party exclusives haven't been as impressive either, likely because they've had to rush them.

BTW I hate when people say the PS2 is the best console ever. I've said before I don't feel it deserved its success. The console itself kind of sucked compared to its competitors IMO, but yeah it definitely had most of the games, unfortunately. PS1 was sooo much better for its time than the PS2. Because it really was the best hardware overall (like the PS2 was NOT) while also being mass-market (like the PS3 was NOT).

Nintendo has lost multi-platform support, obviously. But they haven't lost much in the way of exclusives because outside of their own, the Gamecube had none anyway. They just seem in a different universe now because of the Wii's odd position.

I have a dream that someday, we'll be able to walk into a store and buy any console we want from any maker, and we'll all be able to play any game we want on them. I have a dream that Super Mario will sit alongside Kratos and the dude from Fable, and they'll all be made on an equal playing field of technology....and anybody who wants to make some kind of crazy ass controller for this universal hardware will be allowed to do so. And any developer who wants to use it will be able to.

Great post. I mean Microsoft's problem is that they are just too much business to be the leader. Yes I know all the console makers are blood sucking vampires that just want our cash but at least some have the wall to please their console base. Microsoft on the other hand just doesn't care. They don't create their own developmenet studios like Nintendo or look for rising studios like SONY does, Microsoft just buys the already Behemoths like Lionhead and Epic. That doesn't do anything but keep the developers from making games on other systems. And don't even get me started about having users PAY for online...WTF you PAY for online...PC gamers get the best of the best of everything (dedicated servers, usercreated servers, mods, updates, demos, buddy list, independent games, the whole nine yards) for free. Microsoft? Dedicated servers, independent games, updates, demos, buddy list for $50 a year. Hrm And what infurates me is that this has become the new "standard" for online on consoles. This certainly isn't what online developers imagined 15 years ago nor what SEGA imagined 10 years ago. I could only imagine if they made top.


That saying all three companies have their problems. With SONY their consoles just feel too much like a DVD player. I mean the consoles and types of games don't give you the same vibes as say SEGA or Nintendo consoles and third and first party games did. Nintendo console give that vibe however Nintendo acts too much like a software company and not enough like a hardware company. Rarely do they ever talk about third party games let alone promote them.

I've said it once and I'll say it again. Standardization is inevitable with this market. It's getting far too big for console makers to call the shots. It is getting far too big for publishers to pick what platform they develop for to be limited by power (whether it is not enough or so much that their games wouldn't seem fit for them) or relying on someone else to advertise the hardware (when was the last time you saw a DVD player commercial?, the movies do the advertising). I wouldn't be surprised if this was the last "console war" generation.

edgecrusher said:

By the way...I missed a game in my September releases.

Apparently, Viva Pinata 2 just came out and got solid reviews. Love the first game but I'm not even done with it, so I think I'll pass on this for now. Kind of baffling that Rare would make 2 VP games on 360 when they sell horribly, instead of something else.

EDGE Magazine UK gave Warioland a 6.0 rating. Wow...

6.0 tranlates to 7.5 for a regular site. EDGE's scores are different as the 1 - 10 scale really applys (Phoenix Wright III got a 6.0).

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Little MS biased are we?

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6197254.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;4

My god.....its over according to these guys. 360 reaching the price of the Xbox1 after 3 years equals domination for 360. They also completely fail to mention the fact that Wii will still outsell it (which is pretty nuts) and that Nintendo could drop $150 off the price of the Wii tomorrow if they had to and still profit.

Also, MS now has the best exclusives. Where'd that come from? Fable is now bigger than Mario and Zelda and Metroid.

Sure the arcade (god that's lame) is 200, but the main version is just hitting 300. I just don't see how this is going to be some drastic change like these guys do. 300 is still in that same hardcore bracket. And 200 for the arcade....I think the audience that would go for that is more likely to keep buying Wii.

Not to mention that this price drop was solely to drop the price of the 360 even lower because their last price drop 2 months ago didn't do squat.

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:16:49

With regard to the Sony/Microsoft discussion, I'm a stubborn consumer; I don't want to support companies I see as acting and promoting genuinely negative practices.  PS3 killed any chance of a purchase from me with that absurd controller announcement at E3 '06.  Despite knowing all about their controller remix's on PS1, I wouldn't have imagined they had the gall.

Meanwhile Microsoft and the red-rings, the RED RINGS.  AAAHG.

Just on decency alone I'm glad to see Nintendo trouncing them.  These ignoring the launch price-points and all the other issues.  They all have their deficiencies, but ugh, Microsoft and Sony are basically the Liberal and Conservative parties in Canada; it ends up being a vote for NDP by default.

Meanwhile I stand steadfast that the standardized "DVD-model" is a pipe-dream and completely unfeasible.

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:43:53

BAHAHAHAHAHA GS scored Mercenaries 2 a 5.0!

Oh it was Aaron Thomas, the genius that gave Ratchet a 7.5. Some dude at gaf did a GG like tear apart of the review, as usual its filled with wrong statements and crazy leaps of logic.

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:53:38
dvader said:

BAHAHAHAHAHA GS scored Mercenaries 2 a 5.0!

Oh it was Aaron Thomas, the genius that gave Ratchet a 7.5. Some dude at gaf did a GG like tear apart of the review, as usual its filled with wrong statements and crazy leaps of logic.

Fucking Aaron Thomas. I hate that guy.

How can you justify giving the third Ace Attorney game a lower score than the sequel? It's fucking stupid. Welcome to Aaron Thomas' world - where up is down, awesome is medicore and so on, so forth.

Sad news - Jeff Green is apparently leaving 1UP to work on the Sims. Fucking lame - I love GFW...

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:59:54

Curse these uni assignements...curse them!

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:19:36

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dvader said:

BAHAHAHAHAHA GS scored Mercenaries 2 a 5.0!

Oh it was Aaron Thomas, the genius that gave Ratchet a 7.5. Some dude at gaf did a GG like tear apart of the review, as usual its filled with wrong statements and crazy leaps of logic.

Fucking Aaron Thomas. I hate that guy.

How can you justify giving the third Ace Attorney game a lower score than the sequel? It's fucking stupid. Welcome to Aaron Thomas' world - where up is down, awesome is medicore and so on, so forth.

Sad news - Jeff Green is apparently leaving 1UP to work on the Sims. Fucking lame - I love GFW...

dvader said:
punk rebel ecks said:
gamingeek said:

Yeah for some reason gametrailers stinks things up. Just immediately pause it and hit the good old download link. It's a shame that the conduit has got all this press and yet mushroom men is doing the same thing as in:

Wii is the priority, it's a new publisher a new IP, a solid engine, an original idea.

And getting so little attention. I really want to see some physics gameplay footage though.

Personally I care less about this game because the visuals and atmosphere of it just really scream generic to me for some reason.

LOL, and The Conduit doesn't?!!?!?!?!??!

darthhomer said:
dvader said:

BAHAHAHAHAHA GS scored Mercenaries 2 a 5.0!

Oh it was Aaron Thomas, the genius that gave Ratchet a 7.5. Some dude at gaf did a GG like tear apart of the review, as usual its filled with wrong statements and crazy leaps of logic.

Fucking Aaron Thomas. I hate that guy.

How can you justify giving the third Ace Attorney game a lower score than the sequel? It's fucking stupid. Welcome to Aaron Thomas' world - where up is down, awesome is medicore and so on, so forth.

Sad news - Jeff Green is apparently leaving 1UP to work on the Sims. Fucking lame - I love GFW...

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 07:38:03
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darthhomer said:
dvader said:

BAHAHAHAHAHA GS scored Mercenaries 2 a 5.0!

Oh it was Aaron Thomas, the genius that gave Ratchet a 7.5. Some dude at gaf did a GG like tear apart of the review, as usual its filled with wrong statements and crazy leaps of logic.

Fucking Aaron Thomas. I hate that guy.

How can you justify giving the third Ace Attorney game a lower score than the sequel? It's fucking stupid. Welcome to Aaron Thomas' world - where up is down, awesome is medicore and so on, so forth.

Sad news - Jeff Green is apparently leaving 1UP to work on the Sims. Fucking lame - I love GFW...

dvader said:
punk rebel ecks said:
gamingeek said:

Yeah for some reason gametrailers stinks things up. Just immediately pause it and hit the good old download link. It's a shame that the conduit has got all this press and yet mushroom men is doing the same thing as in:

Wii is the priority, it's a new publisher a new IP, a solid engine, an original idea.

And getting so little attention. I really want to see some physics gameplay footage though.

Personally I care less about this game because the visuals and atmosphere of it just really scream generic to me for some reason.

LOL, and The Conduit doesn't?!!?!?!?!??!

darthhomer said:
dvader said:

BAHAHAHAHAHA GS scored Mercenaries 2 a 5.0!

Oh it was Aaron Thomas, the genius that gave Ratchet a 7.5. Some dude at gaf did a GG like tear apart of the review, as usual its filled with wrong statements and crazy leaps of logic.

Fucking Aaron Thomas. I hate that guy.

How can you justify giving the third Ace Attorney game a lower score than the sequel? It's fucking stupid. Welcome to Aaron Thomas' world - where up is down, awesome is medicore and so on, so forth.

Sad news - Jeff Green is apparently leaving 1UP to work on the Sims. Fucking lame - I love GFW...

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:45:04
darthhomer said:
foolz said:

darthhomer said:
dvader said:

BAHAHAHAHAHA GS scored Mercenaries 2 a 5.0!

Oh it was Aaron Thomas, the genius that gave Ratchet a 7.5. Some dude at gaf did a GG like tear apart of the review, as usual its filled with wrong statements and crazy leaps of logic.

Fucking Aaron Thomas. I hate that guy.

How can you justify giving the third Ace Attorney game a lower score than the sequel? It's fucking stupid. Welcome to Aaron Thomas' world - where up is down, awesome is medicore and so on, so forth.

Sad news - Jeff Green is apparently leaving 1UP to work on the Sims. Fucking lame - I love GFW...

dvader said:
punk rebel ecks said:
gamingeek said:

Yeah for some reason gametrailers stinks things up. Just immediately pause it and hit the good old download link. It's a shame that the conduit has got all this press and yet mushroom men is doing the same thing as in:

Wii is the priority, it's a new publisher a new IP, a solid engine, an original idea.

And getting so little attention. I really want to see some physics gameplay footage though.

Personally I care less about this game because the visuals and atmosphere of it just really scream generic to me for some reason.

LOL, and The Conduit doesn't?!!?!?!?!??!

darthhomer said:
dvader said:

BAHAHAHAHAHA GS scored Mercenaries 2 a 5.0!

Oh it was Aaron Thomas, the genius that gave Ratchet a 7.5. Some dude at gaf did a GG like tear apart of the review, as usual its filled with wrong statements and crazy leaps of logic.

Fucking Aaron Thomas. I hate that guy.

How can you justify giving the third Ace Attorney game a lower score than the sequel? It's fucking stupid. Welcome to Aaron Thomas' world - where up is down, awesome is medicore and so on, so forth.

Sad news - Jeff Green is apparently leaving 1UP to work on the Sims. Fucking lame - I love GFW...

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More like Jamie May Cry.

All the Js confuse me, my bad!

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:47:48
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edgecrusher said:

Well at least in those screens the character models are about Snake Eater-quality.

You know you want it.

I was so bored as people seemed to have abandoned this place, this week. Steel for instance and Dvader, Raven being busy, that I popped over to GGD to look around. Are GS just bribing old forumers into staying there by making everyone mods?

LOL....I know what you mean. I checked it out last week and was surprised how many old forumers are mods now. I guess that's the only way to avoid the law....to become one yourself. Kind of like people who become cops to avoid the cops.

Why has Steel abandoned us? Then he'll show up and act like he hasn't been sleeping around. What a player.

Nyaa

iga_bobovic said:
gamingeek said:
iga_bobovic said:

Well I did post the making of the music video as big news. I am not sure if many people looked at the video!

Do you still have the link?

No, but I found it anyways. See the awesomeness here

Thanks. Certainy a unique approach to music. I read that the head of red fly are two ex-Retro studios art staff and that's why the game has such strong art.

dvader said:

So is Disaster a ninetendo devolped game or a some other random company developed game (which I assume it is)?

Ah, Edgecrusher answered you. I think everyone assumed that nintendo bought Monolithsoft because Disaster was going to turn out to be fuck awesome. Then there were rumours that Matsuno joined them and nintendo wanted an RPG house with him at the helm, hence the purchase.

dvader said:

They will never make me a mod, which I am happy about.  It does seem like they turned everyone in the ring of fire into mods.

Am I crazy or did I see that Godmode was a mod or some sort of admin thing?

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:51:56

Ah I see someone has started some friday morning updates so i will hold off and post this here.

http://www.gamekyo.com/news28924_kizuna-new-screenshots.html

KIZUNA SCREENS Grinning

Kizuna new screenshots

Kizuna new screenshots

Kizuna new screenshots

Kizuna new screenshots

Kizuna new screenshots

Kizuna new screenshots

Kizuna new screenshots

Kizuna new screenshots

Kizuna new screenshots

Kizuna new screenshots

Kizuna new screenshots

Kizuna new screenshots

Kizuna new screenshots

Kizuna new screenshots

Kizuna new screenshots

Day 1? It's being headed up by the same guy who's making Little Kings Story and he's an ex DQVIII and FF guy.

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:08:44
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"Electronic Entertainment Design and Research analyst Jesse Divnich told GameSpot that Microsoft's $199 SKU puts the company in prime position to halt Sony's surging PlayStation 3. "Microsoft has the industry's best exclusive licenses, such as Halo, Gears of War, and Fable," noted Divnich. "In terms of software, Sony has Resistance and LittleBigPlanet, which can't compare to Gears and Fable 2. So with Microsoft beating Sony on pricing, beating them on library, and beating them on services with Xbox Live, the price cut should shift momentum back to the 360," asserted Divnich. "

Wut?

Edgecrusher the single platform idea is an idea that wont be realised until there is a Highlander situation where there can be only one. As long as people are making money, it wont happen. Strangely the 3DO and Trip Hawkins had the right idea way back when, when he licenced the technology so that anybody could manurfacture it. Like how DVD players can be made by anyone and will play all DVDs.

Punk, balance board? That would mean running on the spot.

dvader said:

BAHAHAHAHAHA GS scored Mercenaries 2 a 5.0!

Oh it was Aaron Thomas, the genius that gave Ratchet a 7.5. Some dude at gaf did a GG like tear apart of the review, as usual its filled with wrong statements and crazy leaps of logic.

Oh jesus. A 5.0? What is wrong with that place? Didn't they underate a ton of PSN and WiiWare titles too.

darthhomer said:
dvader said:

BAHAHAHAHAHA GS scored Mercenaries 2 a 5.0!

Oh it was Aaron Thomas, the genius that gave Ratchet a 7.5. Some dude at gaf did a GG like tear apart of the review, as usual its filled with wrong statements and crazy leaps of logic.

Fucking Aaron Thomas. I hate that guy.

How can you justify giving the third Ace Attorney game a lower score than the sequel? It's fucking stupid. Welcome to Aaron Thomas' world - where up is down, awesome is medicore and so on, so forth.

Sad news - Jeff Green is apparently leaving 1UP to work on the Sims. Fucking lame - I love GFW...

What the crap? Everyone underates Ace Attorny anyway. Who has played Apollo Justice BTW?

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:22:31

GTA on Wii?

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20115

Given that Take-Two and Rockstar's next step in expanding the Grand Theft Auto empire is a move onto Nintendo DS with the upcoming Chinatown Wars, what's the likelihood that GTA IV or another franchise installment might appear on the Wii?

Speaking on Chinatown Wars during the company's third quarter call to investors, Take-Two CEO Ben Feder wouldn't rule it out, as he confirmed that the DS title is set to release in the first quarter of 2009 -- no later than February 1.

The company's spent what Feder said is "an enormous amount of time and effort" with Nintendo building a "partnership" to bring GTA onto the DS, and he also feels the franchise has "significant value to add" to the platform.

"It's not a one-way relationship in any way," Feder said. "Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars is not even the first step, but an important step, in continuing to develop that relationship."

"Without commenting on whether GTA is coming to the Wii or not, Nintendo and Take-Two work very well together; Nintendo and Rockstar work well together, and we are continuing to grow that relationship."

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Hmm, I fail to see the benefits that wii could bring to GTA other than aiming. But that's not to say that they couldn't make a good one like Vice City/GTA3/San Andreas. I would just hope that they could acheive a level of graphics matching say the burnout games. Then again Bully had some intesting additions in the Wii version. The aiming of course but then the combat was really fun with independent movement of your fists with wii mote and nunchuk, shoving and kicking moves and some interesting mini-game type things.

I think if and it's a big F-ing IF, GTA were to come to Wii, Take two would have to get someone else to develop it while the main team worked on GTA V for next gen systems. This wouldn't be a bad thing if they got the Bully team on the case Happy

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:28:27

What the fuck......de Blob, paint bukkake? Who's doing the updates? Steel?

Mercenaries 2 a 5.......wow Gamespot are fucking horrible. I honestly can't believe some forumers there truely believe that Gamespot are still better at reviews than IGN. At one point they were, but that was years ago. Granted, Merc 2 isn't as great as it could have been, but a 5 is as bad as the Fire Emblem Wii review, or Gerstmann's infamous 5.7 rating on Tomb Raider 2.

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:35:17

Regardless of whether the Wii controls would add anything to GTA, that would still be great having a GTA on Wii. Mario Galaxy didn't really benefit too much from the controller either, other than collecting those dumb stars, but who cares as long as it doesn't take anything away.

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:36:54

Someone still updating? Ah, I will post more here then.

TENCHU IV SCREENS

http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1217846_1124.html

“Væn4

“Væn4

SKY CRAWLERS SCREENS

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20080905/sky.htm

HOLY SHIT, De Blob gets a 10/10

http://www.gameplayer.com.au/gp_documents/de-blob-review.aspx?catid=News

"The first third-party Wii game that would have Mr. Miyamoto bowing in awed respect. De Blob is da bomb!"

TECMO + KOEI = DISASTER?

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8862628&publicUserId=4549175

James Mielke had a nugget on Rygar for Wii.

"But both companies are legendary for their cheapness (see: Tecmo's repurposing of a 5 year-old PS2 game -- Rygar -- as a $500,000 quickie port to the Wii, a project which proved so disastrous and unportable that Tecmo had to go back to the drawing board with it, at nearly three times the cost of what they were trying to achieve in the first place), "

LOL At least they are doing it properly now.

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:46:47
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What the fuck......de Blob, paint bukkake? Who's doing the updates? Steel?

Must be Iga Nyaa I can tell most of the time.

edgecrusher said:

Regardless of whether the Wii controls would add anything to GTA, that would still be great having a GTA on Wii. Mario Galaxy didn't really benefit too much from the controller either, other than collecting those dumb stars, but who cares as long as it doesn't take anything away.

True. I would personally like the series to go back to the 1980s.

http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2620493742c5013d3e0evn7.jpg

Or do something different. Why play as the same sort of guy working his way up the criminal underworld? Change things up a bit in terms of character, setting or story.

I think that people underate what Galaxy does with the controller. You used it to tilt that ball about, which I loved. You used it to control the manta ray. It was great at pointing at and shooting out stars. Even something as simple as that, shooting at the screen independently of character control, is something that is impossible with a dual analogue controller. Then you used the controller to use those elastic band type spiders webs and even things like blowing the mario bubble around.

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:48:39

De Blob is going to be remembered as a fucking classic...mark my words.

Tenchu and Sky Crawlers are both looking nice. But Sky is being done by the ace team right? the guys that also did the horrible star fox assault? I hope they're putting more effort into this one...they seem to only get Ace Combat right.

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:00:53
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De Blob is going to be remembered as a fucking classic...mark my words.

Tenchu and Sky Crawlers are both looking nice. But Sky is being done by the ace team right? the guys that also did the horrible star fox assault? I hope they're putting more effort into this one...they seem to only get Ace Combat right.

In fairness Starfox was ruined by by not just concentrating on the flight combat. This game looks to be doing things right. I have seen some screens of this game where the horizon just stretches out into the distance with no fogging or pop up or whatever. Even saw a screen where the plane was miles up in the air and you could still make out the shimmering surface of the ocean.

I got impressions here from Anoop, the IGN guy

http://www.andriasang.com/e/blogs/anoop/2008/08/31/sky_crawlers_hands_on

The Ace Combat team worked wonders making the PlayStation 2 produce top-class flight visuals, and it looks like they're doing the same with the Wii. Sky Crawlers, which saw its playable debut at the C3xHOBBY event today will instantly grab your eye with its quality visuals.

Unfortunately, the C3xHOBBY demo was so short that it was difficult to take in anything but the visuals.

While the short length of the demo kept me from coming fully to grips with the control system, there was no doubt left over the game's good looks. Picture all those pretty frame buffer grabs of the PS2 Ace Combat games, but without having to go through the PS2's crappy video output. Sky Crawlers image quality is clean. And, of course, the game stays nice and smooth even during those cinematic aerial maneuvers.

There is control talk there too. If the anime is good, I might get this.

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:05:31

Its based on an anime? That's fucked up.

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Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:15:41
gamingeek said:
darthhomer said:
dvader said:

BAHAHAHAHAHA GS scored Mercenaries 2 a 5.0!

Oh it was Aaron Thomas, the genius that gave Ratchet a 7.5. Some dude at gaf did a GG like tear apart of the review, as usual its filled with wrong statements and crazy leaps of logic.

Fucking Aaron Thomas. I hate that guy.

How can you justify giving the third Ace Attorney game a lower score than the sequel? It's fucking stupid. Welcome to Aaron Thomas' world - where up is down, awesome is medicore and so on, so forth.

Sad news - Jeff Green is apparently leaving 1UP to work on the Sims. Fucking lame - I love GFW...

What the crap? Everyone underates Ace Attorny anyway. Who has played Apollo Justice BTW?

I have.

Nowhere near as good as the other games. Decent enough, but trust me, you're better off sticking to the original and the third game. Maybe the second, if only for the final part of that game.

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