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[gamasutra.com] Yu Suzuki no longer with Sega. I guess no Shenmue 3... :( gamasutra.com Dvader
[gamespot.com] Wii VC and Wiiware titles for today. Strongbad!!! gamespot.com Dvader
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[computerandvideogames.com] New Lara Croft Model unveiled A  flesh and bone one computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
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[edge-online.com] EDGE magazine special feature The years best shooters edge-online.com gamingeek
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[gamesindustry.biz] Miyamoto Banned by Nintendo He can't talk hobbies gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[ign.com] Saints row 2 trailer ign.com gamingeek
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[neogaf.com] Street Fighter Alpha 1 on PSN this thursday. Everyone says its terrible. neogaf.com Dvader
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[gonintendo.com] LucasArts upset with Nintendo? Regarding Wii MotionPlus Announcement (rumor) gonintendo.com Ravenprose
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[neogaf.com] NPD July, where art thou Solid Snake? Nintendo wins, you know the drill. neogaf.com Dvader
[neogaf.com] Mikami and Suda team up to make new horror game. To be published by EA, all platforms. neogaf.com Dvader
[gametrailers.com] New Saints Row 2 trailer. gametrailers.com Dvader
[shacknews.com] Spore gone gold, releasing Sept. 7th. About damn time. shacknews.com Dvader
[playstation.com] PSN version of Bionic Commando gets an exclusive.. challenge room. playstation.com Dvader
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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:17:44

Man WTF is up with the NPD? The PS3 outsells the 360 AGAIN even when the 360 has a price-drop that puts its main SKU into mainstream pricing. I mean what is it? Can't be MGS4 since that's off the top 10 (sadly, though unless its #11).

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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:19:35

Well MGS4 PS3 pack-in does not count toward the MGS4 sales numbers. So it could be that there are still some of those around.

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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:22:08
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The major 3rd-parties have been pretty fucking average on Wii, and continue to be. Like someone else said, they clearly put all their eggs in the Sony/Microsoft basket and expected the Wii to tank (but I honestly think Nintendo did too...not expect much success on Wii) so at this point they're running around like headless chickens not knowing WHAT the fuck to do.

One thing the Wii should show though, is just how hard it is for Nintendo to get solid support up against these mega-corporations, and lose the stigma of Nintendo platforms not being a good place for 3rd-parties, even when they have an incredibly successful machine. Obviously the Gamecube never stood a chance.

Hell, in the middle of the Cube's life, when they were really neck and neck with MS, you saw 3rd-parties just going from actually supporting the Cube, to outright dropping support. Jedi Knight 2 on Gamecube actually outsold the Xbox version, then Lucasarts dropped Cube support and only released Jedi Knight 3 on Xbox.

Imagine if the PS3 was selling how the Wii is? Every damn game under the sun would probably be PS3 exclusive right now. Its like Nintendo needs to have astronomical success and Sony/Microsoft need to have astronomical failure, for 3rd-parties to change their ways of doing things.

I just wonder how much longer the Wii can go on the way it is, without having the major support. Sooner or Later you'd think people would start going 'Hmmm, the Wii's cool, but the other machine's have all the games'. Then 3rd-parties will do the 'See, we KNEW Wii wouldn't last...that's why we never gave it much support' song and dance that they gave the Cube.

I think its going to be vital to the future of Wii that indie games like Conduit, Madworld, Deadly Creatures, etc...turn out to be really amazing. That's the one thing that could turn it around from a publisher standpoint, as the greatness/success of Nintendo's own games just don't matter to them.

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edgecrusher said:

The major 3rd-parties have been pretty fucking average on Wii, and continue to be. Like someone else said, they clearly put all their eggs in the Sony/Microsoft basket and expected the Wii to tank (but I honestly think Nintendo did too...not expect much success on Wii) so at this point they're running around like headless chickens not knowing WHAT the fuck to do.

One thing the Wii should show though, is just how hard it is for Nintendo to get solid support up against these mega-corporations, and lose the stigma of Nintendo platforms not being a good place for 3rd-parties, even when they have an incredibly successful machine. Obviously the Gamecube never stood a chance.

Hell, in the middle of the Cube's life, when they were really neck and neck with MS, you saw 3rd-parties just going from actually supporting the Cube, to outright dropping support. Jedi Knight 2 on Gamecube actually outsold the Xbox version, then Lucasarts dropped Cube support and only released Jedi Knight 3 on Xbox.

Imagine if the PS3 was selling how the Wii is? Every damn game under the sun would probably be PS3 exclusive right now. Its like Nintendo needs to have astronomical success and Sony/Microsoft need to have astronomical failure, for 3rd-parties to change their ways of doing things.

I just wonder how much longer the Wii can go on the way it is, without having the major support. Sooner or Later you'd think people would start going 'Hmmm, the Wii's cool, but the other machine's have all the games'. Then 3rd-parties will do the 'See, we KNEW Wii wouldn't last...that's why we never gave it much support' song and dance that they gave the Cube.

I think its going to be vital to the future of Wii that indie games like Conduit, Madworld, Deadly Creatures, etc...turn out to be really amazing. That's the one thing that could turn it around from a publisher standpoint, as the greatness/success of Nintendo's own games just don't matter to them.

http://www.edge-online.com/news/riccitiello-we-should-have-bet-on-wii

Riccitiello: We Should Have Bet On Wii

""One thing that's different is we typically figured out who the market leader was going to be before the start of the cycle and bet with our development resources on that platform.

"We made the wrong call there [by betting on the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360], which made this transition harder than it would otherwise be. But now we're catching up, and I think we're fine.

"We've got some incredibly innovative Wii titles, incredibly innovative DS titles coming. And so I think that issue's sort of behind us."

There's more at the link but you get the idea. I'm with you on what you're saying. I think burnout 2 if you totalled europe and america sold equal or more on GC over Xbox but everyone ditched the cube like it was a pile of dung even though it lost the console race by a couple of million compared to the Xbox 1.

You are totally spot on, it's like a self fufilling prophecy. It's like 3rd parties actively want the wii to fail so they don't put any decent games or effort into their games, they're just standing around waiting for the bubble to burst. Well of course it's going to burst if you keep pumping it full of crap. And then they're going to turn around with a knowing wink and say I told you so. What makes it so infuriating is that the market has chosen Wii, damn thing is outselling the competition combined and then the content makers are ignoring it. I said it before, but it's like the market choosing VHS over BETAMAX then everyone continuing to make BETAMAX format videos and ignoring VHS.

Nintendo have done their duty as a platform holder by getting this damn thing into as many households as possible and now because third parties are so off the ball with all their pre-generation bets and ingrained thinking, the machine has had to survive and thrive even, on Nintendo's efforts alone.  

Meanwhile consumers are sitting around twiddling their thumbs thinking "I bought this damn thing, it's a really sucessful platform, so where are the great games please? Oh what's that? Another port? Oh Neopets? Ehhhhhh."

Consumers are so desperate for content that they are grabbing hold of a game like the conduit by average developers simply because it suits their tastes over things like carnival games and actually looks like it has some effort behind it. It's ridiculous. I can't wait to see Factor 5's Icarus game, even if the gameplay is crap it should technically show other developers what they should be doing.

Now why haven't you guys read my article I just made? *wink* wink* *hint* hint*

Also Edge people aren't really going to care about how many more quality games the PS3/360 have. Remember these people aren't serious gamers like us. Most people just play a few games here and there unlikes us who play games ever hour or two (or even three) a day.

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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:52:34
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Suda and Mikami! Wow! Hey, wasn't Suda supposed to work with Kojima on Project S?

They'll probably strap him to another MGS game instead. T_T

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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:58:08

I am done for now! I'll be back in 3 hours. But before I go

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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:03:01
edgecrusher said:

And the Gamecube didn't start to really lose ground UNTIL 3rd-parties abandoned it. When they were at least willing to make 6-month late ports of PS2 games, the system was doing well.

The Cube was never really given a fair shake, and that pisses me off because for its time it was an amazing machine. Mid 2003 there was a sudden developer Exodus from Cube to Xbox and Xbox only, almost like MS was going around to everyone and doing whatever they had to to get them to leave the Cube behind. Of course there was no way they could do that with PS2 as it was too popular. At that point, you could see and feel Cube withering away. It was sad.

The release of RE4 I remember as really a somber moment, because right then and there was the proof of so much wasted potential in that system. I brilliant affordable system that got sandwiched between a popular name brand on one side, and a shitload of $$$ on the other.

It annoyed me, because it was sort of accepted that Xbox multiplats were the best, mainly because of online. I was never on live like 90% of the xbox userbase at the time. I also preffered the Cube controller, the faster load times with those GC discs and even though people cussed down the look of the GC and its handle it actually made it easy for me to transfer it between houses, whilst I could never do that with the xbox. I remember when I first bought it, even getting it home on the tube/subway killed my shoulder. So if there was a multiplat I could get on cube, I would.

Now I'm in a situation where I buy less 360 games because in the back of my mind there is this 24 style ticker counting down to my machine's demise and I dont want to be left with a stack of games I can't play. I also just flat out prefer playing games with the wii controller and with wireless internet it's just easy while I can't get on Live unless I shell out $120 on the wireless adaptor.

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Yeah I loved Mario Galaxy too and consider it a 10/10 however that's in the context of the system it was on. For me while it certainly was my Wii GotY it wasn't my overall GotY. The three limiting factors that I mentioned for the Wii are simply too much for me to overcome. I'd hate to see some of what the developers are bringing out disappear or get hindered in some way because they wanted to shift more focus towards the Wii. It's all just personal preference anyway because naturally whatever system one prefers then that will be the one they want to see the most games on. I bought a Wii as a secondary console mainly for Nintendo games and the VC, everything else is just gravy for me.

Yeah there are people who just buy nintendo machines for their content and then use other machines for everything else. It's a skewed view in that you have to consider those that dont own multiple machines. There's a wii userbase out there that will never get to play SFIV or RE5 etc. They just dont have the option like we do of just getting it on a different machine. That's the hardcore view.

But each day you are seeing examples of people going that extra mile to make sure they get wii content up, Overlord for instance gets a unique entry on wii while having a sequel on the other machines. Even SUDA and Mikami's new game isn't missing out on Wii. It just shows laziness when publishers are completely annexing a platform or pigeonholing it as haivng a certain demographic that doesn't give a shit about quality.

And again we look at things personally, for you mario galaxy was just your wii goty and not overall. On gamerankings it still outrates a ton of killer content on these tech heavy machines. For me, design is king and I think there is a lot you can do with Xbox/Wii level hardware. I would take a RE5 with RE4 + visuals and Wii aiming. I would happily take a GTAIV with Burnout Revenge Visuals and Wii controls. I would take a Halo 3 with MP3 visuals and Wii aiming.

But then, like Iga said there is a ton of stuff the wii controller can do, especially now with this motion plus device. Developers just aren't taking the brave stab. Elebits still has tons of physics based object manipulation that other games should be incorporating and that's just something other platforms, including PC cannot do.  

What just annoys me is that they aren't even trying. You can just think back to what we had last gen, wii can do all of that and with better visuals and some improved design and with things you couldn't do in the past with the wii controller. We just had NG2 for instance which didn't turn out too well. Wii should be able to do visuals better than Ninja Gaiden black, so imagine a fully fledged entry in that series with the motion plus 1:1 sword fighting?

Imagine force unleashed with the 1:1 light sabre action? Or Psi-ops with intricate physics control like Elebits. Or Red Steel 2 with 1:1 sword fighting. I personally flat out prefer using the wii controller for FPS, to the extent that whenever I play a dual stick shooter these days I just think: ehhhhhhhhhhh.

It's just the whole thinking that is holding games back, no one is willing to step up to the plate with the budgets and dedication, because they view the system as second rate and so aren't even trying to match what they did last gen. Meanwhile nintendo kicks it up a notch producing a steady stream of quality games which puts all third party content to shame. And then third parties bitch about sales?

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Batman News Posted Twice, On Thursday and Wednesday.

Wouldn't have happened if you had stuck around! Nyaa

I was rushed.

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NPD results for July:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12393561&posted=1#post12393561

HW
DS 608k
Wii 555k
Playstation 3 225k
PSP 222k
Xbox 360 205k
Playstation 2 155k

Man 360 is getting rocked these days, if only by 20'000 units. A pattern is emerging. But once again (and it's not even funny now) or an anamoly, Wii sells more than both systems combined (again). Meaning that potentially you have a market twice as big to sell to. Given those market conditions, the lack of content and the relative cost of putting out a big budget wii game..... it's not even funny.

You're seeing industry big wigs say it every day, like Peter Moore

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/peter-moore-wii-to-win-console-war-with-over-50-market-share-/?biz=1

While Sony's Kaz Hirai told the Financial Times that he thinks the PS3 can sell 150 million units during its lifespan, former Xbox man and current EA Sports label president Peter Moore gave the Times a different picture of what he expects the market to look like several years down the road. Moore, like many others in the industry, has predicted a relatively easy victory for Nintendo.

"It looks to me as if the Wii is going to have at least half the installed base of the overall industry and the Xbox 360 and PS3 are going to fight over the balance, based on the run-rates we're seeing," he said.

The Wii recently took over the top spot in the U.S. with nearly 11 million consoles sold. On a monthly basis, the Wii has easily been outselling the PS3 and Xbox 360 during each NPD reporting period. In June, even with the PS3's MGS 4 fueled surge, the Wii still outsold the PS3 by about 260,000 units and the Wii outsold the Xbox 360 by a three-to-one margin.

Nintendo's console truly has shown no signs of slowing down. Whether or not Moore's prediction of 50 percent proves to be accurate, Nintendo has already won in terms of mainstream mindshare and profitability.

The suppossed juggernaughts of the industry, MGS, Halo and GTA can't bring this sytem down. People can't even use the old line "When Halo 3 comes out Wii is going down etc" anymore. I'm sorry to bang on about it, but it just boggles my mind. Nintendo caught so much shit last gen because of the cube, here they are totally reversing the situation and developers should be flocking towards success like they flocked to the PS2 last gen. Instead they are like Gollum coveting the ring, the ring being their expensive next gen wares. Then EA loses $100 million in a quarter and radical lay off 100 staff and ten tons of games get canned from the activision fallout.

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Now why haven't you guys read my article I just made? *wink* wink* *hint* hint*

Because it's longer than the Bible.

Give me time.

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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:44:11

I just put the capcom story up, as I think it's an interesting insight into consumer feedback and I was directly responsible for it. And you know that someone else is going to report it as news anyway.

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And again we look at things personally, for you mario galaxy was just your wii goty and not overall. On gamerankings it still outrates a ton of killer content on these tech heavy machines.

Imagine force unleashed with the 1:1 light sabre action?

GG, check again, Galaxy outrates all the tech heavy games on gamerankings. Only Ocarina of Time scored higher.

1:1 light sabre fighting will not work GG.

You want it to look like this

Or this

But with 1:1 it will work like this

^^That guy is fast huh? They better make a 1:1 Samurai game.

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^ I'll check it out. Meanwhile yet another game has hit the 1 million sold mark on wii. High school musical. You see this crap selling well, but just imagine if a company like Ubisoft took the effort to make a wii game with the same effort as assasins creed in terms of establishing a new franchise? Red steel launched when the console hardly had a userbase at all, it was deeply flawed, incomplete game and it sold a million. RE4 is a port and sold a million. With the right effort and marketing you should see games hitting 2 mil easy.

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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:36:13
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NPD results for July:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=12393561&posted=1#post12393561

HW
DS 608k
Wii 555k
Playstation 3 225k
PSP 222k
Xbox 360 205k
Playstation 2 155k

Top 10 SW
360 NCAA FOOTBALL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS JULY 2008 397.6K
WII FIT W/ BALANCE BOARD NINTENDO OF AMERICA MAY 2008 369.6K
NDS GUITAR HERO: ON TOUR ACTIVISION JUNE 2008 309.7K
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA FEB 2007 284K
PS3 NCAA FOOTBALL 09 ELECTRONIC ARTS JULY 2008 242.5K
360 SOUL CALIBUR IV NAMCO BANDAI GAMES OF AMERICA JULY 2008 218.9K
WII MARIO KART W/ WHEEL NINTENDO OF AMERICA APRIL 2008 174.5K
WII ROCK BAND SPECIAL ED BUNDLE MTV GAMES/ELECTRONIC ARTS JUNE 2008 165.8K
PS3 SOUL CALIBUR IV NAMCO BANDAI GAMES OF AMERICA JULY 2008 155.8K
360 SID MEIER'S CIVILIZATION REVOLUTION TAKE 2 INT. CORP. JULY 2008 147.6K

Wow, MGS4 out of the top ten, wtf?!?!?!

PS3 still beats 360 even though the 360 had a price drop.

Wii kills everything.

Well I think its becoming obvious that the 360's reputation for horrible hardware has finally caught up with it, if they can't outsell the PS3 after a price cut.

The only game I really care for in the top 10 is Civilization. I'm surprised its selling so well.

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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:40:11

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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:55:30
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gamingeek said:

And again we look at things personally, for you mario galaxy was just your wii goty and not overall. On gamerankings it still outrates a ton of killer content on these tech heavy machines.

Imagine force unleashed with the 1:1 light sabre action?

GG, check again, Galaxy outrates all the tech heavy games on gamerankings. Only Ocarina of Time scored higher.

1:1 light sabre fighting will not work GG.

You want it to look like this

Or this

But with 1:1 it will work like this

^^That guy is fast huh? They better make a 1:1 Samurai game.

I watched that. I would prefer for a star wars game 1:1 but with a 3rd person perspective. With a slightly zoomed out camera. Obviously in a game they have to make the AI work so that 1:1 is feasible. Even in red steel you can see what they did to ease players into it. The characters have slower exagerrated swipes, or pre-swipe indicators or red marks to show you when large hits are coming. Mutliplayer 1:1 would just degrade into someone swiping madly really fast however.

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Well I think its becoming obvious that the 360's reputation for horrible hardware has finally caught up with it, if they can't outsell the PS3 after a price cut.

The only game I really care for in the top 10 is Civilization. I'm surprised its selling so well.

360 is only outselling the PS2.

1. Nintendo DS: 608,000 2. Nintendo Wii: 555,000 3. PlayStation 3: 225,000 4. PlayStation Portable: 222,000 5. Xbox 360: 205,000 6. PlayStation 2: 155,000

PLATFORM HOLDERS REACTIONS:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/npd-nintendo-sony-microsoft-reaction

NPD: Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft reaction

Following the release of NPD's US software and hardware sales data for July, the three platform holders were quick to post reactions on their respective performances - here is a brief summary before a more detailed examination follows:

Nintendo, which had the most to celebrate following more stunning success in the hardware chart plus a number of titles in the software top ten as well, restricted its victory speech to a simple quote from Cammie Dunaway.

Sony, which will undoubtedly be delighted at a platform victory for the PlayStation 3 over the Xbox 360, detailed a variety of statistics on its PS3, PlayStation Portable, PlayStation Network and PlayStation 2 platforms, rounded off with a note from Jack Tretton.

Meanwhile Microsoft focused on its overall market share since launch, a solid software sales percentage and the level of third party sales that the Xbox 360 has provided to other publishers.

Nintendo

  • The brief statement mentioned the hardware sales figures for DS and Wii, noting a 49 per cent market share for Wii in terms of living-room consoles, and a 73 per cent market share for the DS for handhelds.
  • The statement also noted the five titles that made the NPD software top ten for July: Wii Fit, Guitar Hero: On Tour, Wii Play, Mario Kart Wii and Rock Band.
  • "Great hardware goes hand-in-hand with great software," said Cammie Dunaway, Nintendo of America’s executive VP of sales and marketing. "Various types of games for the Nintendo systems are represented in the top 10, demonstrating how we continue to break down the barriers between veteran and new players."

Sony

  • A rather longer statement began by trumpeting the "momentum" for the PS3, with 1.8 million units sold in the US in 2008 - a 99 per cent growth year-on-year.
  • Additionally PS3 software showed a 206 per cent growth level for the year to-date, and SCEA promised over 140 Blu-ray titles by the end of the fiscal year.
  • The PlayStation Network now has over 10 million registered accounts, with over 200 million pieces of content downloaded worldwide.
  • The PSP sales were spurred on to 16 per cent growth over the first six months of 2007 by the God of War: Chains of Olympus promotion.
  • More than 42.5 million PS2s have now been sold in North America across the console's lifetime.
  • The PlayStation brand has now yielded more than USD 3.3 billion in the year to-date; July hardware sales hit USD 609 million in July - 22 per cent growth; July software sale hit USD 184 million - 28 per cent growth.
  • "Our year-to-date sales growth of 99 per cent for the PS3 reaffirms that consumers are indeed embracing PS3 as their entertainment hub-of-choice with its feature-rich offerings like Blu-ray and our recently announced video delivery service," said Jack Tretton, president and CEO of SCEA. "With an unmatched software line-up that includes LittleBigPlanet, SOCOM: Confrontation, Resistance 2 and MotorStorm: Pacific Rift, and the anticipated launch of our new 80GB PS3 model, we're confident in a strong second half of the year and look forward to quickly addressing any inventory shortages due to the transition."

Microsoft

  • Microsoft's reaction began by hailing a strong E3 showing, and noting a profitable year with USD 2.1 billion "in growth" for the Entertainment and Devices Division.
  • Since launch consumers have spent over USD 10.4 billion on the Xbox 360 in the US, giving the platform a 49 per cent market share.
  • Xbox 360 titles accounted for USD 129 million - 34 per cent share - in software sales for July.
  • Third party revenue generated by the Xbox 360 platform was USD 121 million - 42 per cent of the market.
  • Xbox 360 now has an attach rate of 7.9, which Microsoft stated as the highest attach rate in history for any console at this point in its life cycle.
  • The statement closed with a look ahead to the rest of the year, including the Netflix deal in the US and a games library of over 1000 titles, including Lips, You're in the Movies, and Gears of War 2.

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iga_bobovic said:

gamingeek said:

And again we look at things personally, for you mario galaxy was just your wii goty and not overall. On gamerankings it still outrates a ton of killer content on these tech heavy machines.

Imagine force unleashed with the 1:1 light sabre action?

GG, check again, Galaxy outrates all the tech heavy games on gamerankings. Only Ocarina of Time scored higher.

1:1 light sabre fighting will not work GG.

You want it to look like this

Or this

But with 1:1 it will work like this

^^That guy is fast huh? They better make a 1:1 Samurai game.

I watched that. I would prefer for a star wars game 1:1 but with a 3rd person perspective. With a slightly zoomed out camera. Obviously in a game they have to make the AI work so that 1:1 is feasible. Even in red steel you can see what they did to ease players into it. The characters have slower exagerrated swipes, or pre-swipe indicators or red marks to show you when large hits are coming. Mutliplayer 1:1 would just degrade into someone swiping madly really fast however.

No, multiplayer will result in me kicking arse world wide, by attacking the hands. A lightsaber has no cross-guard so hands are an easy target. You need preprogramed moves so that all the moves will be exagerrated swipes and it needs either to be bit slower or you need a to get a warning before the stikes take place. You could do that with a little lag and markers to show you the impact point of the saber, and it could be explained in the game that a Jedi sees the future trough the Force.

Or make a Samurai Kendo game. and have best of 11 matches.

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Well to me Iga I guess it's the difference between fighting the AI in a FPS vs multiplayer. The whole dynamic changes for me, you go from all powerful beast one man army to everyday joe ready to be killed any second. I don't neccesarily want 1:1 swordfighting for multiplayer, more to have it incorporated well into a decent single player game. I had an idea a couple of years back. I think some might remember my stick men drawings of a ninja gaiden game LOL

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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:27:14

This kind of reporting really just annoys me. This is another NPD Article.

http://www.edge-online.com/news/ps3-outpaces-360-11b-july

Look at the article and how they slant the visuals and article towards a sony victory.

TITLE: PS3 OUTPACES 360 IN $1.1 BILLION JULY

THE PICTURE? This:

The first paragraph? This:

PS3 led Xbox 360 as the two consoles vied for the top slot in the high-def console race in July, a month that saw sales climb 28 percent year-on-year to $1.1 billion, NPD Group reported Thursday.

In the U.S., Sony's console sold 224,900 units versus Xbox 360's 204,800 during the month.

PS3 also topped Xbox 360 in June, nearly doubling sales of Microsoft's console that month thanks to the release of PS3 exclusive Metal Gear Solid 4.

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They use the term "hi-def console race" so they can pretend like the other systems don't exist. And then later in one paragraph their only concession is this:

"In typical fashion, Nintendo Wii handily outsold the two higher-priced consoles with 555,000 units sold in July."

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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:27:45
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Well to me Iga I guess it's the difference between fighting the AI in a FPS vs multiplayer. The whole dynamic changes for me, you go from all powerful beast one man army to everyday joe ready to be killed any second. I don't neccesarily want 1:1 swordfighting for multiplayer, more to have it incorporated well into a decent single player game. I had an idea a couple of years back. I think some might remember my stick men drawings of a ninja gaiden game LOL

Pfft, screw Ninja Gaiden, give me a Iga Ninja game. I want to play as Hattori Hanzo, Watanabe Hanzo, Sarutobi Sasuke, Takamatsu Toshitsugu, and so on. (GG you should know at least 2 of them)

Yeah, historic ninja games where are they?

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Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:34:09

I'm glad Disaster has been classified so recentely. It was looking like this game had gone MIA so close to release or even we dreaded that it was canned like Project Hammer.

EDIT:

I just ordered Blood + Vol 1-50 for $26 Happy

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