aspro said:

The best selling games on PS3 were made by Sony (God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5 and Uncharted 2 and 3), but that did not dissuade third parties from backing their very difficult to develop for hardware. Sony makes the best games on their system uniformly, if you think back to the prior generations, and it doesn't hurt third party sales.

I think the difference is that the Sony systems have always had a least parity in terms of hardware capabilities.

More notably, they and MS have always had lower royalty rates than Nintendo, so of course third parties will be drawn to those systems.

I do understand the panic of the general public on Nintendo's latest news, that's the internet, it will always be crazy in it's response, but I don't understand Nintendo itself going crazy at this point, saying they won't rule out M&A and smartphones.

Once they have enough evergreen tittes under their belt the system will be more attractive for a larger group to buy...

oh fuck it, what am I saying? That fucking gamepad has to go.

thinks about it...

yeah, there is nothing they can do now to bring third parties around to the Wii U, given the disparity in power, the aberrant control scheme and low install base.

Time to try something else.

Awesome post on every level.

Okay, I'm only one green star away from entering the final boss level in SM3DWorld. The amusment part world is the final level, right?

aspro said:

The best selling games on PS3 were made by Sony (God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5 and Uncharted 2 and 3), but that did not dissuade third parties from backing their very difficult to develop for hardware. Sony makes the best games on their system uniformly, if you think back to the prior generations, and it doesn't hurt third party sales.

Those games sales are not even in the same universe as the Mario, Pokemon and Wii whatever franchise, besides Gran Turismo. And even that one has fallen of the map!

aspro said:

oh fuck it, what am I saying? That fucking gamepad has to go.

Too little too late for that I am affraid. They have to ride it out! It was a bad idea though!

aspro said:

thinks about it...

yeah, there is nothing they can do now to bring third parties around to the Wii U, given the disparity in power, the aberrant control scheme and low install base.

Time to try something else.

WTF is your problem with the control scheme? The controller is just a traditional dual analog controller with a screen on it! There is nothing too hard for 3rd parties to handle. The other parts are legit though!

Will have to ride it out and try again in 2018!

Iga_Bobovic said:

Dvader said:

Cut through all the crap and let me ask you WHY didn't 3rd parties give an effort? Do you think they don't want money? Do you think they are all stupid and don't understand the market (some yes but they are out of buisness now. )

Ok we are in agreement that. Third parties do not gave an honest effort.

And no most 3rd parties do not understand the market at all. Heck even Nintendo went from having to huge successes (DS and Wii) to one healhty system and one complete dud, in a single generation! So they don't know the market either.

So you want to know why they don't put any effort? Inertia, until the other two completely and uttery fuck up, there is no reason for the others to go to Nintendo. Or Nintendo must do something so extraordinary that they will change sides. Why they left in the first place, see SNES and NES generation!

Dvader said:

How am I all over the place, its simple, Nintendo started doing things their own way. They became different, started to not participate in the industry standards and become more insular with almost every gen. Buying just a Nintendo system would never satisfiy a hardcore gamer, so it became a secondary console, you rarely buy third party games on your secondary console. Third parties see the change, they see that system really isn't for them, its for Nintendo to sell Nintendo games and so they slowly decline support.

The Gamecube was a traditional console. It sold like shit. It got the worst 3rd party support of all 3 consoles. The Wii was unique and different and it was therefore the best selling Nintendo console ever! I ask you, what have Nintendo to gain for going traditional again?

Dvader said:

You cant ask Nintendo to be different from a hardware perspective and expect the same third party support. So either they rejoin the industry standards and do their best at repairing all these relationships and try to prove to the average dude that just buying a Nintendo system will be enough, you will get your CoD with awesome online, you will get your madden, you will get your big bidget third party games and you will get first party games you care about. The day they could do that is the day third party support will return to normal on a nintendo console.

So basically Nintendo has two choices. Go the Nintendo route and do not have any 3rd party games because they are too different. Or try the traditional route again, have crappier sales and they won't get any 3rd party games, because they sell too little.

But what about different kind of 3rd party support. Mario Galaxy sold 10 million copies, Galaxy 2 6 million, so where are all the 3rd party 3d platforming games? NSMBwii sold like 20+ million copies, so where are all the 3rd party 2d platforming games. Besides Sonic and Rayman there was nothing. How about a Bushido Blade with wiimotion + or the lightsaber game we never ever got? What about Elebit/Eledees, why has no 3rd party developer made a telekinetic game.

Yes it takes risk to do that, but like the Ferenghi saying goes: "The greater the risk, the greater the profit!"

I agree with the inertia part but that is just answer why its happening now. Why did it start happening is my question?

Agreed on Gamecube but lack of DVD did have something to do with that, I wont say it had a huge impact but it did hurt the GC in terms of hardware sales at least. Nintendo can regain the respect of many of the gaming population that they have lost over the years if they go more tradition, that still probably wont lead to higher sales though.

Agreed on the two choices Nintendo has and on the kinds of third party suppor these systems should get. I agree we need interesting unique third party support. That said it still doesn't sell well cause of whatever reason. Mario is an exception to the rule, not the rule at all. No third party 3D platformer will ever get close to reaching sales of that magnitude but they could become a million seller but no one today wants just a million seller, they want the 5-8 million selling blockbuster. I think it was on one of the game under podcasts where they talked about the death of the mid level budget games, today all we get is the big blockbusters and indies, the mid range game is almost extinct and that is what those 3rd party games on Nintendo would have to be.

Dark Souls II.

Who's getting it? Who's read up on it? Was there a significant story in DS1 that you feel needs to be known before playing II?

Anyone hear the story of the porn star who offered a blow job for the best Lego creation?

All ur Willie Wagtail Egg belong to us!

travo said:

I'm going out to but my son a Lego set!  Be back soon!

JEEBUS, MAN!!! ISN'T YOUR SON A LITTLE TOO YOUNG?!

phantom_leo said:

JEEBUS, MAN!!! ISN'T YOUR SON A LITTLE TOO YOUNG?!

For Legos?.........NO!

"It's funny—two decades ago, in order to boost sales in North America, Square changed the titles of Saga and Mana games to Final Fantasy Legend and Final Fantasy Adventure. Today, they're changing games away from Final Fantasy. Kinda says a lot."

--About the current state of Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest.