Dvader said:

I agree with the inertia part but that is just answer why its happening now. Why did it start happening is my question?

The Playstation happened. Sony came with cheaper developing costs, easier to work with console and they did not have to worry about competition with 1st parties. Nintendo came a year too late, had cartridges that were expensive, higher royalties and so on! Sony saw Nintendo's weakness and capitalized on it!

Dvader said:

Agreed on Gamecube but lack of DVD did have something to do with that, I wont say it had a huge impact but it did hurt the GC in terms of hardware sales at least. Nintendo can regain the respect of many of the gaming population that they have lost over the years if they go more tradition, that still probably wont lead to higher sales though.

Gaining respect from the gaming population is like having a hot girl say that you are a great guy, while fucking some other guy. It is nice to hear, but it rings hollow if you are not balls deep in her!

Dvader said:

Agreed on the two choices Nintendo has and on the kinds of third party suppor these systems should get. I agree we need interesting unique third party support. That said it still doesn't sell well cause of whatever reason.

It did not sell well because people thought that niche games like Madworld, Little King's Story, No More Heroes, Muramasa would sell millions. And they thought it would sell millions without any form of advertisement whatsoever! Those games never sell that much not even on the PS2. Games like RE4 Wii version did sell well, but we never got a proper RE game on the Wii.

Dvader said:

Mario is an exception to the rule, not the rule at all. No third party 3D platformer will ever get close to reaching sales of that magnitude but they could become a million seller but no one today wants just a million seller, they want the 5-8 million selling blockbuster. I think it was on one of the game under podcasts where they talked about the death of the mid level budget games, today all we get is the big blockbusters and indies, the mid range game is almost extinct and that is what those 3rd party games on Nintendo would have to be.

True about the mid range and that is the saddest thing about the industry. The Wii was the last bastion for those type of games, but they were hardly there!

travo said:

It's that thang from Willow!

Iga your analogy is amazing as usual.

Iga_Bobovic said:

aspro said:

The best selling games on PS3 were made by Sony (God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5 and Uncharted 2 and 3), but that did not dissuade third parties from backing their very difficult to develop for hardware. Sony makes the best games on their system uniformly, if you think back to the prior generations, and it doesn't hurt third party sales.

Those games sales are not even in the same universe as the Mario, Pokemon and Wii whatever franchise, besides Gran Turismo. And even that one has fallen of the map!

aspro said:

oh fuck it, what am I saying? That fucking gamepad has to go.

Too little too late for that I am affraid. They have to ride it out! It was a bad idea though!

aspro said:

thinks about it...

yeah, there is nothing they can do now to bring third parties around to the Wii U, given the disparity in power, the aberrant control scheme and low install base.

Time to try something else.

WTF is your problem with the control scheme? The controller is just a traditional dual analog controller with a screen on it! There is nothing too hard for 3rd parties to handle. The other parts are legit though!

Will have to ride it out and try again in 2018!

My problem with the control scheme, from a "I-want-Nintendo-to-be healthy" point of view is #1 the additional cost to Nintendo, and #2 the confusion it brings to teh MILF market about how she's going to deal with her 2+ kids grappling with the fact that one of them always gets the cool controller and she's powerless to buy a second one to appease the other kids, #3 it's too fucking complicated for the MILF market.

I personally have no problem with it, single gamer household, I know how to wrangle a 18+ button controller, but most MILFs must look at that thing and see this:

when what they understand is this:

phantom_leo said:

Anyone hear the story of the porn star who offered a blow job for the best Lego creation?

Yeah the response has been hilarious.

I don't quite understand the philosophy behind offering games like Don't Starve and Isaac for free to PS4 owners, but I won't complain!

phantom_leo said:

I don't quite understand the philosophy behind offering games like Don't Starve and Isaac for free to PS4 owners, but I won't complain!

They are still in the recruiting phase of PSN+. The greatnes will slow down at some point.

Because really Sony is shooting themselves in the foot with the quality of games they are giving away.

aspro said:

Iga_Bobovic said:

aspro said:

The best selling games on PS3 were made by Sony (God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5 and Uncharted 2 and 3), but that did not dissuade third parties from backing their very difficult to develop for hardware. Sony makes the best games on their system uniformly, if you think back to the prior generations, and it doesn't hurt third party sales.

Those games sales are not even in the same universe as the Mario, Pokemon and Wii whatever franchise, besides Gran Turismo. And even that one has fallen of the map!

aspro said:

oh fuck it, what am I saying? That fucking gamepad has to go.

Too little too late for that I am affraid. They have to ride it out! It was a bad idea though!

aspro said:

thinks about it...

yeah, there is nothing they can do now to bring third parties around to the Wii U, given the disparity in power, the aberrant control scheme and low install base.

Time to try something else.

WTF is your problem with the control scheme? The controller is just a traditional dual analog controller with a screen on it! There is nothing too hard for 3rd parties to handle. The other parts are legit though!

Will have to ride it out and try again in 2018!

My problem with the control scheme, from a "I-want-Nintendo-to-be healthy" point of view is #1 the additional cost to Nintendo, and #2 the confusion it brings to teh MILF market about how she's going to deal with her 2+ kids grappling with the fact that one of them always gets the cool controller and she's powerless to buy a second one to appease the other kids, #3 it's too fucking complicated for the MILF market.

I personally have no problem with it, single gamer household, I know how to wrangle a 18+ button controller, but most MILFs must look at that thing and see this:

when what they understand is this:

Oh yeah, we are in agreement there. Still cannot believe Nintendo dropped the wiimote that fast. I would think they would try a Super Wii before moving to something else! Oh wel, no point in crying about spilled milk!

I think they could have been very successful if they kept the Wii remote and had specs comparable to PS4/XB1

Iga_Bobovic said:

aspro said:

BrushtailPossum said:

HISSSSSSSSSS!

Keep it up and I will shoot you.

And I have the capability.

And I reckon you have the experience too!

I do.

travo said:

I think they could have been very successful if they kept the Wii remote and had specs comparable to PS4/XB1

Agreed with you and Iga. Super Wii would have been the way to go.

I know where you sleep and next time it won't be the head on your shoulders I go for!