Foolz said:

He doesn't need to. It exists and it looks worse than Endless Ocean on the Wii due to far less realistic animation..

Bad animation has nothing to do with horsepower. Good graphics and good animation aren't mutually exclusive.

SteelAttack said:

Bad animation has nothing to do with horsepower. Good graphics and good animation aren't mutually exclusive.

Ya don't say. He said imagine Endless Ocean on current gen hardware. It exists and looks worse because HD bullshit doesn't matter with graphics like that.

Who cares if fucking rocks will have better textures lol. The graphics won't be substantially improved because the important thing is the animation of the fish.

Foolz said:

Well keep at it cause there's a pretty cool bit after that that you wouldn't expect in a modern FPSer!

Plus it feels like a relief after you've been through that crap!

Yeah, I have to beat it. I spent another hour on it today.  I think I'll try taking a few days off of it and come back with a clean slate.

Dvader said:

It's all because of the wii. The next zelda will blow everyone away.

Sorry, I call BS, they made a realistic Zelda on the Gamecube and they could have made the next one on Wii. I know what you want out of Nintendo and you know as well as I do that they will zag rather than zig. When they made Twilight Princess everyone nodded in approval and Nintendo made noises about continuing in that fashion - then Skyward Sword was shown. Wind Waker, two cel-shaded DS games, a cel-shaded Wii game. This is the link Nintendo envisions.

Nintendo already takes 4 years to put out a zelda with gamecube graphics or wii graphics. How much time and resources do you think it would take them to make an HD zelda? And the gameplay and pattern hasn't changed, you get the overworld and temples. Nintendo isn't about to go open world on your ass. And games like Smash Bros, Mario Galaxy and Kirby Epic Yarn, how would having 360 like hardware make the games any better? Unless you just want better textures. I have a wish list of what I would want for Nintendo's franchises too, but here we are in 2011 expecting a Zelda game still with no voice acting.

Dvader said:

GG think of what endless ocean will look like with modern graphics.

I've already seen what a PS3 hardware Endless Ocean will look like in Aquanaughts. Not overly impressed. That's not to say that it couldn't be done better, but Arika is a 3rd party and if they wanted to they could put out an HD Endless Ocean type game on the HD systems already.

edgecrusher said:

Yes, or Mario. Anyone who thinks cartoony games can't be improved by better tech are kidding themselves. Mario would look ridiculous, in a good way. Look how great the new Banjo Kazooie looked on 360, IMO its one of the top 5 best looking games on the machine. Not to mention they could make the worlds bigger, especially if the rumor of a blu-ray drive is true.

F-zero? Wow. Pikmin? Pikmin was some of the best looking games on the Cube....those gardens would look incredible with PS3 level graphics.

I'm hoping Pikmin 3 is a launch game for it. IMO that's the best time to release a new Pikmin game to remind everyone of the franchise before the big waves of software start to hit. New Pikmin and a Retro Studios game and I'll be happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZpem57wtvU

I'd love for you to explain how Mario Galaxy would look ridiculously better on better hardware. It's a stylised, cartoon game where the hardware and the intended presentation perfectly mesh. It already has shaders, what more would you do with it? Highly detailed Kameo like rock surfaces? This is not what Mario, or Nintendo is about. Also factor in that in game development terms, Nintendo has never coded on HD consoles, the first few years of their games will probably have visuals like the first few years of the 360 while 3rd parties will be far ahead. And if I wanted to play 3rd party games, I could already do that on my 360.

Nintendo is about tight gameplay and tight level design. They don't want to make worlds bigger, that would go against the gameplay they want to present. And they can make pretty large worlds on Wii already, like Monster Hunter or possibly the largest scaled game this generation in Xenoblade. And HD Pikmin and F-Zero would be the same game, the same gameplay with HD graphics. I can't get excited for things like this. What good would HD hardware do for games like Animal Crossing or Mario Kart? They have defined gameplay and defined art styles, the games are already caught in an ever repeating loop - so we continue the loop but this time with better grass effects and rock textures?

I'm more excited about new gameplay that new hardware features can bring like motion, like touch screens or mics, than what Animal Crossing would look like on the PS3.

travo said:

I know Nintendo drums to the beat of a different march.

Exactly.

Vader, Edge, you will just be disappointed. You need to come to terms with the gap between what you want and what Nintendo will actually do. They are an anachronistic, befuddling company.

Let's hope not:

gamingeek said:

Dvader said:

It's all because of the wii. The next zelda will blow everyone away.

Sorry, I call BS, they made a realistic Zelda on the Gamecube and they could have made the next one on Wii. I know what you want out of Nintendo and you know as well as I do that they will zag rather than zig. When they made Twilight Princess everyone nodded in approval and Nintendo made noises about continuing in that fashion - then Skyward Sword was shown. Wind Waker, two cel-shaded DS games, a cel-shaded Wii game. This is the link Nintendo envisions.

Nintendo already takes 4 years to put out a zelda with gamecube graphics or wii graphics. How much time and resources do you think it would take them to make an HD zelda? And the gameplay and pattern hasn't changed, you get the overworld and temples. Nintendo isn't about to go open world on your ass. And games like Smash Bros, Mario Galaxy and Kirby Epic Yarn, how would having 360 like hardware make the games any better? Unless you just want better textures. I have a wish list of what I would want for Nintendo's franchises too, but here we are in 2011 expecting a Zelda game still with no voice acting.

Dvader said:

GG think of what endless ocean will look like with modern graphics.

I've already seen what a PS3 hardware Endless Ocean will look like in Aquanaughts. Not overly impressed. That's not to say that it couldn't be done better, but Arika is a 3rd party and if they wanted to they could put out an HD Endless Ocean type game on the HD systems already.

edgecrusher said:

Yes, or Mario. Anyone who thinks cartoony games can't be improved by better tech are kidding themselves. Mario would look ridiculous, in a good way. Look how great the new Banjo Kazooie looked on 360, IMO its one of the top 5 best looking games on the machine. Not to mention they could make the worlds bigger, especially if the rumor of a blu-ray drive is true.

F-zero? Wow. Pikmin? Pikmin was some of the best looking games on the Cube....those gardens would look incredible with PS3 level graphics.

I'm hoping Pikmin 3 is a launch game for it. IMO that's the best time to release a new Pikmin game to remind everyone of the franchise before the big waves of software start to hit. New Pikmin and a Retro Studios game and I'll be happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZpem57wtvU

I'd love for you to explain how Mario Galaxy would look ridiculously better on better hardware. It's a stylised, cartoon game where the hardware and the intended presentation perfectly mesh. It already has shaders, what more would you do with it? Highly detailed Kameo like rock surfaces? This is not what Mario, or Nintendo is about. Also factor in that in game development terms, Nintendo has never coded on HD consoles, the first few years of their games will probably have visuals like the first few years of the 360 while 3rd parties will be far ahead. And if I wanted to play 3rd party games, I could already do that on my 360.

Nintendo is about tight gameplay and tight level design. They don't want to make worlds bigger, that would go against the gameplay they want to present. And they can make pretty large worlds on Wii already, like Monster Hunter or possibly the largest scaled game this generation in Xenoblade. And HD Pikmin and F-Zero would be the same game, the same gameplay with HD graphics. I can't get excited for things like this. What good would HD hardware do for games like Animal Crossing or Mario Kart? They have defined gameplay and defined art styles, the games are already caught in an ever repeating loop - so we continue the loop but this time with better grass effects and rock textures?

I'm more excited about new gameplay that new hardware features can bring like motion, like touch screens or mics, than what Animal Crossing would look like on the PS3.

travo said:

I know Nintendo drums to the beat of a different march.

Exactly.

Vader, Edge, you will just be disappointed. You need to come to terms with the gap between what you want and what Nintendo will actually do. They are an anachronistic, befuddling company.

After reading all of this, you have convinced me that Nintendo should just stick with the Wii for another 10 years. I do not want better technology powering their games, nor do I want 3rd-parties to be more inclined to partner with them. They could just release a new controller every 4 years so we can control our games differently, instead of a whole new console.

"If that's what you expect Nintendo games to be like on a platform with 360 like power you will be disappointed because they will once again, confound expectations and do the best to trample on your desires."

Umm, Nintendo doing that is the best. Half of these epics are boring as hell.

And this is why you people should never visit Kotaku again, like I stopped doing years ago

Wrong game, fool.

And yes, Skyward Sword is cel shaded because they wanted it to be. Twilight Princess wasn't because they didn't want it to be. Whatever art style they choose for the next one will have little to do with the power of the system it will be on. Plenty series were going for realism in the last gen and even the one before that. Anyway, I'll just be glad Nintendo games will be more jaggy free. Other than that, Wii games can look superb already, especially since few have frame rate (many being 60 fps) or tearing issues and the like...

Twilight Princess, being a GameCube game, was hardly the best Wii could do without cel shading anyway. Some PS2 games like Metal Gear Solid 2 do better with such art styles. Yet we never saw much close to that even though the Wii could push more polygons and of course have way better textures since the PS2 had a pitiful amount of RAM even for its generation. On Wii, Monster Hunter Tri certainly looks better than Twilight Princess. Of course the world is segmented rather than seamless but that's, in my opinion, a design decision not based on system specifications. They could always mask the loading like in Metroid Prime (loading doors) or even Mario style (the face fade-out/in) anyway, they just didn't. Capcom's Sengoku Basara Samurai Heroes also looks superb without having so segmented levels. Of course it has pop-in and other issues but then it's a game that tries to push a ton of enemies on screen, unlike Zelda or Monster Hunter. Really, I don't think Wii came even close to being maxed out outside games like Super Mario Galaxy which are dismissed for their style.

NintendoEverything said:

1. Fresh Gameplay

Extreme fast races build with a new design idea. You can switch between a white and black phase. Doing so lets you use various gadgets on the tracks like speedup ramps, overhead passages or giant jumps. You can also choose instead to use your ‘switch energy’ to give your vehicle a massive boost anytime. This makes each race unique and a great overall experience. On top of the general racing experience we added tons of unlockables and over 20 racing missions, all on unique build tracks.

2. Best tech

- FAST looks fabulous when moving, still screens do no real justice. First footage is coming as soon the game is scheduled by Nintendo.

- FAST runs in super smooth 60fp, 16:9 or 4:3 for singleplayer and twoplayer splitscreen. It supports upto 4 player splitscreen.

- For multiplayer you can choose to split the screen vertically or horizontal.

- It uses the latest iteration of our tech, continually in development since 2005 and previously used in games like 'Nanostray 2′ or more recently ‘Jett Rocket’.

- For FAST we exclusivley added occlusion culling to our tech to maintain solid framerates anytime. The latest tech also includes stuff like ambient occlusion, emboss mapping, reflections, refractions, dynamic ambient lighting, a weather system (with morning, day, afternoon, night, ice, storm, snow, rain, sandstorms,…), 3d soundeffects, etc.