gamingeek said:

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Eh.

I thought the rumor was the controller was like a Dreamcast pad? Now its a tablet? Ok fuck this shit.....time to speak up Nintendo, the people want answers!!!

edgecrusher said:

Are they suggesting that the PS3 is 50% more powerful than the 360? Because I don't see it, sorry. And if that's indeed the case and yet you can't tell a difference, then the new Nintendo will basically look exactly the same as PS3 visually....at a 30% increase.

Yeah they were talking about this on the IGN podcast, they pointed out that a lot 360 versions of games looked better than PS3 versions. But I guess because most games used 360 as the lead platform. Either way it's difficult for average joe to tell the difference between 360 and PS3.

Visually I don't expect Wii 2 to do anything 360 couldn't approximate.

You realise Nintendo are pulling another Wii 1 here? Wii was about 30% more powerful than cube. Wii 2 is 30% more powerful than PS3 - which released 4 and a half years ago.

It only seems impressive because Nintendo held back with Wii whilst everyone else jumped forward already.

Nintendo's HD console will be about the same power as two Wiis duct taped together.

gamingeek said:

edgecrusher said:

Are they suggesting that the PS3 is 50% more powerful than the 360? Because I don't see it, sorry. And if that's indeed the case and yet you can't tell a difference, then the new Nintendo will basically look exactly the same as PS3 visually....at a 30% increase.

Yeah they were talking about this on the IGN podcast, they pointed out that a lot 360 versions of games looked better than PS3 versions. But I guess because most games used 360 as the lead platform. Either way it's difficult for average joe to tell the difference between 360 and PS3.

Visually I don't expect Wii 2 to do anything 360 couldn't approximate.

You realise Nintendo are pulling another Wii 1 here? Wii was about 30% more powerful than cube. Wii 2 is 30% more powerful than PS3 - which released 4 and a half years ago.

It only seems impressive because Nintendo held back with Wii whilst everyone else jumped forward already.

In a way yes, but at least now Technolgy is at a point where its not going to matter as much. The problem with Wii was that most of its library didn't even look like high-end PS2 software, nevermind Xbox or Wii's predecessor. With this new system, the lowest bar developers have to go by is Xbox 360 which they're all very schooled in anyway, and since the Stream of Wii is easy to port from PC/360, there shouldn't be an issue.

I was kind of pointing out how with modern technology, its kind of silly to say "this system is 50% better" or even "the Wii Stream is going to be significantly more powerful than" because it doesn't really mean what it used to. How much more powerful would a new machine have to be for it to really have an obvious visual improvement?

Still, I remain happy that Nintendo will just finally have some modernized tech to work with here. Bring them out of the dark ages.

edgecrusher said:

In a way yes, but at least now Technolgy is at a point where its not going to matter as much. The problem with Wii was that most of its library didn't even look like high-end PS2 software, nevermind Xbox or Wii's predecessor. With this new system, the lowest bar developers have to go by is Xbox 360 which they're all very schooled in anyway, and since the Stream of Wii is easy to port from PC/360, there shouldn't be an issue.

I was kind of pointing out how with modern technology, its kind of silly to say "this system is 50% better" or even "the Wii Stream is going to be significantly more powerful than" because it doesn't really mean what it used to. How much more powerful would a new machine have to be for it to really have an obvious visual improvement?

Still, I remain happy that Nintendo will just finally have some modernized tech to work with here. Bring them out of the dark ages.

Did you see that Molyneux footage, a new way of rendering graphics. It was like the inside of a house or something. Looked very cool and works on 360.

Here

and here

About Project Cafe being whatever % stronger than PS3 and 360. Remember guys these stuff is written by games journalist, not hardware or software engineers. Saying something is more powerful than something is meaningless. What does more powerful really mean? Polygon pushing power per seconds? Normal mapping? Lighting? Some computer set ups are stronger in some things, but weaker in other. Sometimes people learn some clever programming tricks and sometimes things that were deemed impossible suddenly works. Also journalist do not know anything about technology. I read Edge today probably the best one when it comes to writing. And I found 3 huge errors in their article about the holographic display in the first paragraph. Depth perception, how does it work? Edge does not know.

_Bear said:

IGN has about as much credibility as my Aunt ... She loves to gossip.

Your Aunt >> IGN

Agnates said:

Want more Portal.

I don't see how they could do a part 3 without being contrived, but I thought the same after the 1st.

These two games really are (rather than merely include pretty graphical) art, without sacrificing gameplay.

Agreed! *Hugs Agnates*

Dvader said:

This dude is a genius. Now make a game that isnt in first person.

^ Never heard of it. Do you own it, Aspro?