phantom_leo said:

Ravenprose said:

Yeah, I wouldn't say RS2 is an example of the future of motion controls. I mean, they're not true 1:1, but they are a vast improvement.

Zelda Wii will most likely show us what the future of motion controls could be like.

I hesitate to say it because I WILL NOT buy it, but I was actually more impressed by the gladiator video of Move in action than my hands on experience with Red Steel 2 for the first time.

Natal's not gonna do 1:1. I'm starting to doubt Motion Plus' ability to do it effectively.

The Move with its big balls and camera seems to capture motion better (at a ridiculous cost, literally and functionally).

I'm not dismissing RS2 yet...

...and I don't know if near dead batteries is affecting my experience...

...but I'll certainly play it more and post.

Um, their gladiator demo was gesture based as well, with a bit of 1:1-ish on top, basically like Red Steel 2. Not everything has to, or should be 1:1 just because there's the ability to do it. Fun, compelling gameplay is what must be offered first. Merely tracking your movements won't provide that for every game. Red Steel 2 doesn't have tracking as good as WSR's swordplay, because they didn't want to. They wanted a robust fighting system, with motion on top. So there's your standard slashes which are 1:1-ish (but to help players all slashes go through the center of the screen to hit, only their angle and strength is based on your movements), blocking has been simplified to an all encompassing block for normal moves, or vertical and horizontal block for strong moves, and they have added a ton of special gesture based attacks to add variety and spice things up. So, less 1:1 than WSR, but more variety, as any game that goes on for 10+ hours should have. Outside a fencing sim (which is impossible, no force feedback, no AI will be good enough, nor most players) that is how most games will have to work even with Move's better tracking abilities, as shown in Sony's demonstrations, where all their actual game software used gestures.

As for those actually playing it, try and get the hang of it first? You haven't played any other game like this, and most reviews agree the controls are great (even those giving the game questional scores based on other structural weaknesses), so maybe there's more to it than you've gotten used to yet, it should give you more specials over time as well. Also tweak the controls in the configuration screens, manual lock on is recommended by most since it lets you get easier control over when the camera is staying put (ie whenever you hold Z, even if an enemy isn't in range) so that you can slash steadily without moving your view around as if you attempted to turn, which can get annoying if you're just trying to smash stuff up and your view wobbles around.

Other than that, play like first person Zelda with motion, jump strafing (instead of side rolling) your enemies, attacking after dodge or block, etc. And keep in mind it takes a bit to get going, for example enemies with strong attacks you need to do a directonal block on don't appear until later, so the early mooks are pushovers by comparison. The game apparently slowly teaches you from the first slashes, to the gestures, to the blocking, then directional blocking, then the parries, then introducing enemies that require you to make the most of all the taught moves as they counter or avoid previous abilities or can only be harmed in certain ways and so on and so forth.

phantom_leo said:

"Subsequent games" and Kratos spoils a bit of it.

No, play the game, you'll see.

phantom_leo said:

...alright.

Why are you not playing it, what is wrong with you.

phantom_leo said:

I dunno. like eleven games in the last week and NOT being done with ffxiii...!

I subscribed to the dvader play one game to completion philosophy...

...and man does it ever suck!

Even I had to break that for GoW3. I need to get back into FFXIII, maybe today... but GoW3 is so much fun. I am halfway through crazy insane why are you doing this hard mode.

Yodariquo said:

phantom_leo said:

HOLY FUCKIN' GOD ! ! !

MEGA-FUCKIN-MARCH CONTINUES ! ! !

OGRE BATTLE 64 HITS EUROPE ON FRIDAY ! ! !

Originally, Nintendo was going to release it in North America, but this comment:

phantom_leo said:

Just for that, I am calling Iwata and telling him to pull all plans for Ogre Battle 64 to be released on the VC!

. . . changed our minds.

phantom_leo said:

Hey Yoda, are you going to break your no game purchasing stance and get Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey?

Hadn't planned on it.  I've got some Best Buy/Future Shop gift card money set aside for Sakura Wars though (except they don't list it, yet.  They better have it )

phantom_leo said:

'K then, why Sakura Wars?

I have it preordered through GameStop online. I don't think we're gonna see a big retail release on this one at all.

I ordered it cause I had extra credit left over from some trades and I have been hearing about the series forever and have always been intrigued, but I don't know that much about it.

Care to share some info? PS2 or Wii, btw?

Preferably PS2 since that's the only one with the limited edition.  I'm on a JRPG hook, and this one looks very in-depth, plus it's not full price.  I also enjoyed the social mechanics in Persona.  Also don't know much about the series.

Yodariquo said:

Preferably PS2 since that's the only one with the limited edition.  I'm on a JRPG hook, and this one looks very in-depth, plus it's not full price.  I also enjoyed the social mechanics in Persona.  Also don't know much about the series.

 And it is the first Sakura to come stateside right?

I got the PS2 version.  NIS, late-cycle PS2 game, limited edition? Collecting gold.