Dvader said:

Here is one example of what was said in the thread.

I guess its time for another installment of Carnage Corner *cue music*:

*Shrugs* Nobody is denying that Wii sales are strong, its just that the race for the hardcore is a two system race and the Wii isn't one of those systems.

Nintendo is catering to its longtime faithful (former N64/GC owners who can't get enough of Mario, Zelda and Metroid) but it has no interest in competing with the wider market, where competition is cutthroat and the margins are smaller. So from the perspective of the vast majority of hardcore gamers, the Wii isn't really relevant this gen, though it is a videogame system.

But don't take my word for it (I'm apparently just a nameless fanboy on the internet ). Read the interview below.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article2063714.ece

"Sitting, fully clothed, in his swish Santa Monica hotel room, Satoru Iwata gleefully tells The Times that he is swimming in a clear sea teeming with women, pensioners and repentant couch potatoes.

The Nintendo president, a man in the throes of reinventing the $30 billion video games industry, hasn't just cracked under the pressure.

(He relaxes at home, he earnestly explains, by playing Nintendo's new "cookery game", a typically left-field title that teaches how to prepare Japanese food).

Rather, he is explaining his belief in the "Blue Ocean" theory of business, which says that to succeed you must reach markets (blue oceans) that are free from competitors. Venturing into "bloody red oceans", where packs of rivals fight tooth and nail, can only lead to failure. The central premise – that it is best to zig when others zag – sums Mr Iwata up perfectly."

Sounds like they're sectioning off which sales are relevant or not by talking about hardcore gamers or casuals or non-gamers or whatever. I always though a sale was a sale?

I dont see what that article is suppossed to prove. As far as I remember that is really old too.

Anyone remember this one?

December 2, 2008

http://news.cnet.com/why-wont-sony-or-microsoft-admit-nintendo-is-a-competitor/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1001_3-0-5

Why won't Sony or Microsoft admit Nintendo is a competitor?

Whenever I read a Sony or Microsoft press release or meet with company representatives, they're quick to point out that Nintendo's Wii console isn't a competitor. Why? They claim it's because the Wii does gaming differently and is more of a "casual" platform than a "true" gaming console.

It didn't get any better Monday when Microsoft sent a press release detailing the Xbox 360's performance on Black Friday. According to the company, its console sales "were on pace to beat previous years, outselling the PlayStation 3 by a three-to-one ratio and estimating a 25 percent increase from Xbox 360 Black Friday sales figures from 2007."

Microsoft even worked Europe into its gloat session by detailing how well the Xbox 360 performs across the continent: "Xbox 360 sales have also surged worldwide since the September price drop, outselling the PlayStation 3 week over week across Europe."

Did you happen to see anything missing in those two statements? Was it a mention of Sony? Nope. Was it a mention of the Playstation 3? Not a chance. Was it the Wii and Nintendo? Show her what she's won: a Wii!

It shouldn't come as a surprise. Earlier this year, Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg, director of product management for the Xbox 360, said the Wii isn't a competitor at all.

"I think for us, we don't really see the Wii as a direct competitor, we actually very much complement the Wii experience," he gushed. "It's obviously clear that we're going head-to-head with the PS3 in this generation."

Sony isn't innocent either, of course. Just a few weeks later, the company's CEO, Howard Stringer, told Bloomberg that he's played the Wii and he's not impressed.

"I've played a Nintendo Wii," he said. "I don't see it as a competitor. It's more of an expensive niche game device."

And yet, as Microsoft and Sony continue to focus on each other, it's the Wii that led the way on Black Friday and became the most desired product across retail locations worldwide. And we can't forget that that "niche gaming device" that isn't a "direct competitor" has almost outsold both the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 combined.

Call me crazy, but when I go to Target or Gamestop and I see the Wii sitting next to the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 and I consider the fact that they all play games from the same developers (many of which are the same), have the same general price level, and provide the same basic experience, I'm inclined to believe they're competitors.

There's no debating the fact that the Wii provides a different way to play games, but it's equally undebatable that it's a competitor to the Playstation 3 and the Xbox 360. Are we supposed to believe that Microsoft's decision to drop the price of the Xbox 360 Arcade to $199.99 wasn't to compete on price with the Wii? Are we supposed to believe that Sony's DualShock 3 controller's Sixaxis functionality isn't the result of the Wiimote?

Give me a break.

The Wii is a direct competitor to the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. What does it hurt to say that if you're Sony or Microsoft? I just don't get it.

Don Reisinger

Dvader said:

Here is one example of what was said in the thread.

I guess its time for another installment of Carnage Corner *cue music*:

*Shrugs* Nobody is denying that Wii sales are strong, its just that the race for the hardcore is a two system race and the Wii isn't one of those systems.

I almost killed my GS account today (got flamed and modded -- and I was sober for crissake!)

Anway, sorry to be a snob about it but if you don't have all the consoles you are not hardcore.

Iga_Bobovic said:

So if the Wii is not hardcore, what the hell is Contra Rebirth and Sin and Punishment 2?

Don't forget LKS, de Blob,  Boy and his Blob, No More Heroes, SMG, AC (You have to be hardcore to play that every day.), Metroid, Zelda.   It makes no sense to say that the Wii can't be hardcore.

travo said:

Iga_Bobovic said:

So if the Wii is not hardcore, what the hell is Contra Rebirth and Sin and Punishment 2?

Don't forget LKS, de Blob,  Boy and his Blob, No More Heroes, SMG, AC (You have to be hardcore to play that every day.), Metroid, Zelda.   It makes no sense to say that the Wii can't be hardcore.

None of those games are hardcore. Only games that are in HD count as hardcore. Jeesh, everyone knows that!

*goes off to play Animal Crossing*

Ravenprose said:

travo said:

Iga_Bobovic said:

So if the Wii is not hardcore, what the hell is Contra Rebirth and Sin and Punishment 2?

Don't forget LKS, de Blob,  Boy and his Blob, No More Heroes, SMG, AC (You have to be hardcore to play that every day.), Metroid, Zelda.   It makes no sense to say that the Wii can't be hardcore.

None of those games are hardcore. Only games that are in HD count as hardcore. Jeesh, everyone knows that!

 Yeah, but most of these so called HD games do not reach HD resolutions. So you are only hardcore if you are a PC gamer, correct?

Bitmob: The big thing I think people would like to hear in your own words is, why were you let go from Sega right before Dreamcast’s launch? Why right then?

BS: As I said before, Mr. Okawa...he wanted to release this strictly on the Internet and I refused! He and I just went through major differences.

One of the problems also -- I had just bought Visual Concepts for $10 million. When we were signing up third-party publishers, Larry Probst came to me, and at the time, he was CEO of EA -- and also a good friend of mine.

Larry said, “Look, we’ll come on your platform, but this is the royalty rate we want to pay.” I asked what is it. He said, “We want to be the only sports franchise on Dreamcast.”

I said, “I’ll agree to that, but you’ll be the only third-party publisher that will have sports. But you’re going to have to compete with us because I just bought Visual Concepts.” And he said, “No, no, no, no...then you should not do the deal with Visual Concepts.”

I said, “No it’s too late.” [Laughs] “We’ve already signed the documentation. We’ve already taken the steps.” So because of that, he did not go onto the platform.

Wow a female streaker, nice ass.

Ravenprose said:

Wii sales dropped 50% over last 5 months                             

"Until the late August PS3 price cut, the Xbox 360 appealed to consumers, likely due to a higher perceived value proposition (the Xbox 360 'core' model was priced $100 lower than the PS3). With the core PS3 and Xbox 360 models priced only $50 higher than the Wii, we expect year-over-year sales of Wii hardware to continue their annual declines until the company either changes its bundle or lowers price. Wii unit sales are 50% below last year’s level over the last five months, and we think that September sales will repeat the pattern." - Wedbush Morgan analyst, Michael Pachter

I read that as Foolz, I can no longer read Pachter quotes without hearing him.

phantom_leo said:

*while everyone's attention is on stupid NPD numbers, Phantom_Leo has decided to go streaking through internet forums*

Woooooooooooooooooooooo...!

Who is your friend?  She looks nice.