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Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:02:57
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You three should do an IGaless MMA podcast.

We need our Pachter.

Yes, there's still time!  THERE'S STILL TIIIIIME!

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Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:14:34
PODCAST TIME. GO GO GO.

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Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:40:08

Feeeeeeeeeeeeedoooooooooooooooooor

Wow, see the first round! That's why Pride has 10 minute rounds.

Rogers was not bad on the ground, but Fedor suddenly became a KO artist.

Need to watch the other fights!

 

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Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:11:53

Iga_Bobovic said:

Feeeeeeeeeeeeedoooooooooooooooooor

Wow, see the first round! That's why Pride has 10 minute rounds.

Rogers was not bad on the ground, but Fedor suddenly became a KO artist.

Need to watch the other fights!

Save yourself the time and don't watch them.

It felt wrong not having you around during the fight. For about 1/1000th of a second I thought Fedor was in trouble, how could I ever have doubts. This Rogers guy would give Lesnar a great fight and probably beat him, UFC should pick him up.

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Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:52:18

Fabricio Werdum vs Antonio Silva

Okay, I watched Werdum vs Silva. Nice fight, we had some good stand-up in the first round and some nice clinching and awesome ground game in the following two round. Werdum is truly a beast on the ground.

Jake Shields vs Jason Mayhem

Meh, takes too long to load. I heard it was boring anyways.

Gegard Mousasi vs Rameau Sokoudjou

Gegard was owning Sokou in the stand up, but those hip throws were pure sex. Did not do much though, Gegard intermediately reversed. Second round Sokou gassed, and Gegard showed how awesome his boxing was. Plus he has an awesome ground and pound. Did you hear that noise? Damn he has cement in his gloves

Fedor vs Rogers

Wow rogers did much better than I thought he would. Some pretty awesome submission defense on the ground. But if we look objectively Fedor did win the first round. Rogers cut Fedor's nose, but Fedor was never in danger from being KOd by a bloody nose. 

Fedor tried to parry that jab by rogers, but missed and got one on the nose from him. From that point on it Fedor was the aggressor. He took him down with a sweet upper body throw. Then rocked him with punches and got him down with a single leg. Then Fedor had a submission attempt that failed, making a opening for Rogers to land some ground and pound. This was answered by an armbar that was nicely evaded by Rogers. Then it was all Fedor again until the KO.

Rogers managed to bully Fedor on the cage, but he cheated a bit by holding it. But it did not matter eventually Fedor got out all the times. Remember this is the first time Fedor fought in the cage ever. You could see him adapt quickly, the first time he got out with great difficulty, the second and third time it went easier. The KO punch was the same one that killed Arlovski, wow fast. 

In short Rogers did well

He clipped Fedor's nose with a jab

He did some ground and pound

He pushed Fedor on the cage a few times and landed knees while in the clinch

Fedor

Rocked Rogers twice

Took him down twice

Had two submissions attempts

Dominated the ground

Got up from bottom position faster than Rogers, while Rogers was sitting on him. (how the hell is that possible?)

Arlovski'd Rogers with a fast, fast punch

Lastly I will leave to you this awesome highlight

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Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:07:30
Awesome analysis Iga.

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Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:15:10
The only problem Fedor had in the match was the cage.  When he was getting hit on the ground (as well as failing to lock in the armbar), it seemed as though it was the fact that he didn't have room to manoeuvre because of the cage.

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Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:05:48

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The only problem Fedor had in the match was the cage.  When he was getting hit on the ground (as well as failing to lock in the armbar), it seemed as though it was the fact that he didn't have room to manoeuvre because of the cage.

 Don't forget his failed parry in the beginning

His parry was way too high, you need to parry at the lower arm/elbow not the upper arm/shoulder.

More gifs of some sweet Judo throws and cage moves

Wow, look at Gegard

Nice takedown

The flurry before the end

The end

Nice shoulder push





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Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:11:17

Oh and some people at Sherdog are saying the stoppage was early, and some others are saying Fedor did bad and Rogers is a can. They see this as proof that Lesnar and even Cain would beat Fedor. But what can you do?

It happens in every single fight where his opponent is not Zulu'd.


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Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:33:09
Is it just me or does Fedor like to beat his opponents using their own strongpoints?  He goes for knockouts on the strong punchers like Rogers in this one, and plays for the ground-game against technical guys like Nogueira.  Maybe it's just that he doesn't care and goes along with whatever the other guy does.

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Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:00:11

Wow I read the comments again after watching all but one fight (Shields vs Mayhem) and they make more sense now! You guys really hate the ground game LOL

And Hamster this must be your first MMA match you watched? What's your opinion?


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Is it just me or does Fedor like to beat his opponents using their own strongpoints?  He goes for knockouts on the strong punchers like Rogers in this one, and plays for the ground-game against technical guys like Nogueira.  Maybe it's just that he doesn't care and goes along with whatever the other guy does.

Well sometimes, with Rogers he tried everything. Submissions, punching, flying superman first degree of murder punch. But he got him down with a punch. But yes against Big Nog in the first fight he dived in his guard to prove a point. 

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Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:06:53

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And Hamster this must be your first MMA match you watched? What's your opinion?

Yup, my first one. I grew bored after the first fight, but came back to watch Fedor's match; I'm glad I did. That sudden KO was surprising!

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Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:15:03
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Iga_Bobovic said:

And Hamster this must be your first MMA match you watched? What's your opinion?

Yup, my first one. I grew bored after the first fight, but came back to watch Fedor's match; I'm glad I did. That sudden KO was surprising!

Not as surprising as this!

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Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:32:15

Fedor always has crappy translators. Look at the post fight interview, the translation was horrible and the woman flat out lied. It's a shame, but no worries we have here the 100% correct translation

Fedor Emelianenko Video, Lost In Translation

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Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:09:33

This will be the final Fedor vs Rogers post. I will post some interviews and news about Fedor's injuries (hand and nose) and CBS viewer numbers

First Roger's trainer

MMAWeekly.com reported the following

Reilly, Rogers’ chief trainer, on Sunday told MMAWeekly.com that while he disagreed with the fight’s stoppage, he wasn’t going to second-guess referee “Big” John McCarthy.

“You can’t fall down like that in an MMA fight,” he said. “He was defending himself, he wasn’t knocked unconscious, but it is what it is.”

“(Fedor) saying he was in no trouble was just a flat out lie,” he said. “He was in plenty of trouble. It wasn’t in his plan to break his nose and lose the first round.”

Reilly said Rogers would take no mercy on his next opponent.

“Whoever Brett’s fighting next, they should make their peace with God.”

Fedor's trainer Voronov and Michkov had this to say (awesome interview)


Interview from a Russian site sports.ru

First of all the most important question. How serious is Fedors hand injury?

Michkov (from now on M): Fedor flew today from Chicago to LA there they will take a look at his hand again. Then we'll see how it is.

How big is the possibility that it's fracture?

M: It's not a fracture, but it's possible that there is a torn periosteum on the finger. That mean the connecting tissue broke away from the bone. They'll look at it today and then we'll know more about the injury.

If that diagnose is correct, how serious is this type of injury?

M: A torn periosteum is very unpleasant. But let's wait for the final diagnose, and depending on that we'll determine how much time will be needed for recovery.

In what moment (of the fight) did Fedor get this injury?

M: It happened somewhere in the beginning of the fight, when he threw a left hook. To be completely honest no one know or remembers when it happened exactly.

Let's go back to the beginning. How did the week before the fight go while in US? Any unpleasant surprises?

M: Everything vent good. We were preparing. Nothing special.

Can you tell us now that the fight is over, what tactic did you choose for the fight with Rogers? How did you plan to beat him?

Vladimir Voronov (From now on V): As always. We have certain combos that we work on before the fight, but there is no specific game plan that follow a straight line - you have to hit or you have to choke - we don't do it like that. Go out there and show what you've got, as good as you can, show how rounded you are, exploit your opponents weaknesses.

"Is your nose ok? Are you breathing alright? Are you controlling the situation? Forward"

Which of Roger's weaknesses did you see before the fight?

M: First of all that the opponent was much slower the Fedor, which eventually led to his mistake and out victory. We worked on that and that's what we eventually exploited.

With the first hit Rogers cut Fedor on the nose. How much did that effect the fight? There was also information about a broken nose...

M: No, the nose wasn't broken. Everything is alright. About the cut, thats always unpleasant, but I wouldn't say that it was serious. It didn't disturb during the fight and it didn't make it harder to breathe.

V: I would like to point out that was an old cut that Fedor got when he was sparring his brother Aleksander this summer. The skin popped in the exact same place, it never healed up completely.

In the first round I was under impression that Fedor, who is usually known for his god wrestling abilities had trouble with controlling Rogers on the ground.

V: That's because Rogers is a very heavy guy, that's first. The second is that he started sweating really fast and was like a piece of soap in Fedors hands. Nothing special though.

M: If Fedor wouldn't have knocked him out in the second, he would have finished it with a submission.

V: That's true by the end of the round you could see that Rogers was completely dead (as in gassed). He was already standing by the cage with his tongue on his shoulder and could barely lift his hands.

M: If it would have gone to the third round, the american wouldn't have had a chance. 100 % sure

There was a very unpleasant moment in the first round, where Rogers ended up on top and started hitting Fedor in the head. How dangerous was that situation?

V: That's a standard situation, nothing dangerous. Fedor saw everything and most of the hits weren't clean. In the fight with Coleman Fedor was in this situation twice, with Choi as well. That's a standard situation and Fedor knows very well what to do in that situation.

The fact that Fedor fought in the cage for the first time, do you think if had any effect on Fedor?

V: If the fighter is ready then it doesn't matter where the fight is. Of course there are certain nuances, but if they would effect Fedor, he wouldn't have won.

What did you tell Fedor between first and second round?

V: What could we say? We asked if the nose was ok and if he's breathing ok. Told him that he was controlling the situation and to continue.

Could you tell about the final blow? How did everything go there?

V: That's something the he and Vasilich (Michkov) have worked on. Fedor countered him.

M: That's a punch that Fedor is very familiar with, we worked on that one from very start. He does it very well, you can almost say that it has become Fedors trademark. In his fight with Arlovski that same punch got him the win. Like I told you before, we knew that our fighter is faster, and in that moment he used that advantage very well, beating his opponent to the punch while he was trying to hit Fedor with a left.

Rogers trainer said in an interview that the referee stopped the fight to early. Rogers wasn't unconscious.

M: What are you talking about? Stopped the fight to quickly? Look at that moment again. That carcass fell right on it's back. (LOL yes he actually called Rogers a carcass  "tusha")

V: Rogers should be grateful to Fedor for not finishing him on the ground. If you watch that sequence again you can see that Fedor hit him with two shots while he was on the floor and before the referee got involved he paused because he saw that Rogers was in helpless state. He didn't want to do unnecessary damage to him. John McCarthy is one of the bes refs in US, I'm sure he did everything right. You could say that he saved Rogers. Rogers coach and Rogers himself are now looking for excuses to justify the loss, they will say that Fedor was lucky and want a rematch. That's typical American tricks. I went to Rogers after the fight to thank him for the fight, he didn't even know where he was. He looked at me like he's seen me for the first time. He was totally messed up, sailing somewhere.

M: Even ten minutes after the fight Rogers was sitting there, shaking his head, looking around him and didn't understand anything just sat there and blinked with his eyes and the all of a sudden he starts to talk: "Look at me, I want a rematch, I will tear him to pieces". Inadequate guy.

What's Fedor's opinion on the fight?

V: he thought he did ok. We agreed that there were a couple of mistakes, but in a fight you can't avoid all mistakes. There are always some nuances. Fedor pointed out his misatakes himself and we'll work on them. Fedor has still not reached his full potential, he continues to improve.


Fedor Undergoes Surgery; Cast for 4-6 Weeks

Fedor Emelianenko’s injuries may not keep the top-ranked fighter on the sidelines for as long as initially expected.

The Russian heavyweight underwent a successful surgery Tuesday in Los Angeles to correct a dislocated thumb in his left hand and will have a half cast removed in 4-6 weeks, Emelianenko and his M-1 Global management team told Sherdog.com during an exclusive video interview conducted only a few hours following the procedure.

Emelianenko, 33, was initially thought to have sustained tendon or ligament damage in his left thumb during his second-round TKO victory over Brett Rogers at Strikeforce/M-1 Global “Fedor vs. Rogers” at the Sears Centre Arena in Hoffman Estates, Ill. The potentially serious injury could have called for complicated surgery and might have kept the world’s No. 1 heavyweight out of training for an estimated 4-6 months.

Instead, the fighter’s reps said two pins were placed in Emelianenko’s hand to correct the dislocation, and that the bone had not fractured nor broken through the skin as is possible with this type of injury. The 15-minute procedure was performed under general anesthesia at a Santa Monica hospital, said M-1 Global officials.

In the video interview, which will premiere Wednesday on Sherdog.com, Emelianenko said he believes he hurt his hand early in the first round, but has experienced minimum discomfort from it since.

Emelianenko also said that his nose was not fractured, as was earlier suspected, following Roger’s first punch -- a straight left that cut the bridge of the Russian’s nose and caused steady bleeding throughout the seven-minute bout. Emelianenko, who had no substantial bruising or discoloring around his nose or eyes, said he’d cut the same area sparring with his brother Aleksander over the summer in preparation for his cancelled bout with Josh Barnett for Affliction “Trilogy” on Aug. 1.

Emelianenko said he planned to return to training, sans striking, upon his return to Russia later this week. M-1 officials said Emelianenko could headline his second co-promoted Strikeforce card in the first quarter of 2010.


CBS: Fedor-Rogers Draws 5.46 Million Viewers

The heavyweight main event pairing Fedor Emelianenko with the previously unbeaten Brett Rogers at Strikeforce/M-1 Global “Fedor vs. Rogers” reached 5.46 million viewers, according to figures released on Tuesday by CBS.

Emelianenko, despite a broken nose and hand injury, stopped the 6-foot-5, 265-pound Rogers on second-round strikes on Saturday at the Sears Centre Arena in Hoffman Estates, Ill. The bout between the stoic Russian and hulking Minnesotan drew a 3.5 rating in men, ages 25-54, 3.3 in men, ages 18-49 and 3.1 in men, ages 18-34.

The entire broadcast, which marked Strikeforce’s debut on the network and included a five-round middleweight title bout between Jake Shields and Jason “Mayhem” Miller, drew 4.04 million viewers and won its time slot among men and adults, ages 18-34. In addition, it delivered significantly higher ratings than the network’s season-to-date averages in the time period among young adult and male demographics, according to CBS representatives.

Compared to CBS’s 9 p.m. to 11 p.m. season-to-date averages, the Strikeforce show was up 38 percent in adults, ages 18-49, 125 percent in adults, 18-34, 117 percent in men, ages 25-54, 178 percent in men, ages 18-49 and 283 percent in men, ages 18-34. According to CBS, Strikeforce/M-1 Global “Fedor vs. Rogers” outdrew primetime college football coverage on ABC, ESPN and ESPN2.

The event marked the return of live mixed martial arts to network television for the first time since EliteXC “Heat” in October 2008, which drew an average of 4.56 million viewers. The Emelianenko-Rogers matchup fell well short of becoming the most-watched fight in North American history; that honor still belongs to the Kimbo Slice-James Thompson bout, which drew 6.51 million viewers at EliteXC “Primetime” in May 2008.



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Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:37:56
"That carcass" LOL

I love how they are all "The American and his tricks", lol. I could read those guys interviews all day.
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Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:53:04

Dvader said:
"That carcass" LOL

I love how they are all "The American and his tricks", lol. I could read those guys interviews all day.

 Yeah Voronov and Michkov are always brutally honest.

Did you see the Fedor vs Rogers 360?! You see Voronov and Michkov watching Brett Rogers and commenting in a robotic voice

"Big Guy"

"Cool hair"

"Nice shorts"

"Hands, low, chin in front, it's hard not to hit him" LOL

Heck, Voronov even criticized Fedor after the Arlovski fight. He was not happy that Fedor did that crappy movie. He said Fedor only won, because of old tricks. 

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Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:19:50

That Lesnar story is really interesting.  Dana White won't comment on what's wrong with him, but has said it's not cancer and its not HIV.  And now the theories are either Lupus or Lyme Disease.  Anyway it's not good for him or UFC.

Poor Brock just can't seem to catch a break no matter what he does. Sometimes it's bad decisions that he does to himself and other times it's just bad luck, but everytime he gets a roll something bad seems to derail him.

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Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:18:44

Lesnar needs surgery, UFC boss says


Ailing cage fighter Brock Lesnar has developed a serious intestinal disorder that requires surgery, Ultimate Fighting Championship boss Dana White told TMZ.com Monday.

Lesnar, a 265 lb. former wrestler and football player, collapsed and was reportedly hospitalized last week during a vacation in Canada. On Saturday, White told various sources that Lesnar was in dire condition.

"He's not well. He's not going to be getting well anytime soon," White told reporters after a UFC event in England. "He doesn't have cancer or AIDS or anything like this, (but) he's got some problems."

On Monday, White clarified his diagnosis somewhat. He also said that Lesnar is back in the U.S. and that he might be admitted to the Mayo Clinic for surgery. According to White, Lesnar, 32, might never fight again

Lesnar himself has not been heard from since cancelling a scheduled bout three weeks ago. Shortly thereafter, UFC announced that Lesnar had contracted mononucleosis. Rumours swirled that he had swine flu. Things appear to be going from bad to worse for the superstar mixed-martial artist.

In college, Lesnar was a dominating wrestler. After school, he used his impressive bulk and outsized personality to switch over to the theatrics of professional wrestling. He was a huge draw for World Wrestling Entertainment.

In 2004, he decided on a mid-career switch to professional football. Despite no high-level experience in the game, he was given a shot by the NFL's Minnesota Vikings. He played for one season.

At age 30, he decided to switch professions again. He soon signed on to fight for UFC. In July, he won a championship belt.

UFC has had no trouble drawing huge crowds and lots of pay-per-view customers. Credibility, though, continues to be harder to come by. News of Lesnar's mystery illness has been greeted by skepticism by some blogs outside the mixed-martial arts universe.



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