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Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:32:45

Yodariquo said:
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^Gotcha.  Yeah this thought occured to me when I was trying to grasp what the big stories of the year were.

Yeah, that's not really going to be a good indicator, anyway.  The bigger stories we hear about from a lot of locations (NPD, for example, people post it right in GG Weekly, and it's immediately everywhere anyway).  Though, it's a start.

To illustrate, the top four stories:
-Famitsu scans (FF, Phoenix Wright)
-Club Nintendo Reward Goes Retro
-Famitsu Shows Sexy Sylvia from NMH Paradise
-Microsoft to buy EA?

I guess we know why tabloids are still popular LOL

The big news of the year would be the price cuts, DSi, PSPgo, Modern Warfare's insane sales, all the bannings and all the company closures.

Three of those are mine -- I tend to write the most salacious headlines.  Hey, while we are at it, you announced that we are "on" Twitter now, and Jamie mentioned it yesterday -- what exactly is the vgpress putting out?

It mirrors GG Weekly, and I'll occasionally put out an additional inane tweet.  Primarily it's aimed as a vector for further site exposure.

So no regular: "The vgpress had a tomato and cheese sandwich for lunch" tweets? Sad

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Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:39:08

Yodariquo said:
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... Hey, while we are at it, you announced that we are "on" Twitter now, and Jamie mentioned it yesterday -- what exactly is the vgpress putting out?

It mirrors GG Weekly, and I'll occasionally put out an additional inane tweet.  Primarily it's aimed as a vector for further site exposure.

 Smart. 

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Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:23:39

Not a suggestion.  Just googled "vgpress" (as opposed to the "vg press") to see what our visibility is and found this:

http://twitter.com/VGPress

Name The Video Game Press
Location Brooklyn, NY
Web http://Coming Soon.
Bio Preparing for site launch.

Just FYI, looks like something that might cause some confusion.

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Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:49:38
aspro said:

Not a suggestion.  Just googled "vgpress" (as opposed to the "vg press") to see what our visibility is and found this:

http://twitter.com/VGPress

Name The Video Game PressLocation Brooklyn, NYWeb http://Coming Soon.Bio Preparing for site launch.

Just FYI, looks like something that might cause some confusion.

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Also, I DL'd and installed itunes to review the podcast, but they wanted my credit card info (set up an apple account) etc.. in order to review something so I gave up.

Yeah, iTunes sucks.  Don't worry about it.

Can't really avoid similar conflicts.  There are some similarly registered domains as well, but we're the only active site with our name or similar.  The rest are placeholders others never implemented.  Just give it time and we'll pass right on by in the page rankings.  Speaking of which... *adds Twitter feed link* ... if you have any better ideas on how to better integrate links like that, I'm all ears.  The same goes with things like the GG Weekly Bar Firefox extension that doesn't really have a home right now.

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Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:52:24
I did sign up for Twitter though and subscribed.  You should promote that on the podcast more as it looks like a useful tool to drive traffic from visitors who are currently infrequent. Maybe  a button on the front page suggesting to follow VGP on twitter would be helpful.
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Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:31:45
Currently, there are two types of forum/comment systems.  One is the forum style we have here, where everything is displayed on the same level chronologically.

The other is the newsgroup style where replies are nested with the post it's in reply to, and the bottom post in the list is not necessarily the latest post.  Reddit uses this style of commenting.

There are aspects I like about both.  I think the newsgroup style is cleaner, but somewhat inconvenient and hard to follow replies.

So I've thought of a combination that I'm considering implementing, but I want feedback.  The idea would be that instead of having these quote chains, you can click "Reply" and post as usual, and the post will store which post you're replying to.  So when the post appears on the forum, it will show at the top of it for example, "In reply to gamingeek's post #56" and clicking it will display the entirety of post #56 (and within that the ability to show the post it is in reply to).  This way you don't have to worry about quoting too many times or editing quotations or leaving out parts for cleanliness.

By doing this, you could also toggle having the newsgroup style, because you have the chaining necessary, but without the need to sacrifice the forum style, either.

It's different, I know, but I'd like serious consideration on this and any ideas on improving the concept.  I think it could work, and if it would, it would be a big feather in our cap.
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Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:37:42
It's hard for me to visualize what you're suggesting, but sounds interesting.

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Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:42:53
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It's hard for me to visualize what you're suggesting, but sounds interesting.

Yeah, I'm actually stuck on my netbook right now, so I can't throw together a mock-up yet, but for a decent conceptual idea, think of replacing quote chains with a spoiler link that displays the full post you're replying to.  This would then give you the option of switching to the Reddit style of nested comments in your settings if you wanted.

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Thu, 07 Jan 2010 05:39:31

I'm not that fond of the nested style but this combination idea sounds like it could be a good idea so I'm down for trying it out.

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Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:02:05

Hmmm, it does sound different. Is quote-chaining the main reason to try out a different approach?

I'd be certainly willing to give it a go, but I really need to see how it would look first, considering it's a hybrid of sorts between regular post layout and the nested one.

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Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:22:00
Honestly this sounds like a very intruging idea, especially if it's toggleable!

But it's a bit hard to visualise without a conceptualisation. So colour me curious!

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Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:20:28
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Honestly this sounds like a very intruging idea, especially if it's toggleable!

Aye, but there's the rub.  It's an all or nothing shot.  If comments are linked by replies, then we can't have some people using the quoting we have now, and others replying in the new system.


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Hmmm, it does sound different. Is quote-chaining the main reason to try out a different approach?

I'd be certainly willing to give it a go, but I really need to see how it would look first, considering it's a hybrid of sorts between regular post layout and the nested one.

Quote-chains is at least a main instigator when combined with the database designer in me -- I just hate to see duplicated data; it's so...unseemly.  Basically, I like the organizational aspect of nested comments to show who's talking to whom, but it doesn't work when a new post shows up somewhere random and not at the end.  I think this is a case where a working prototype for public viewing would be a necessity.

You could also think of it as another way of displaying newsgroup style threads, as it does maintain all of the same information and benefits.  For example, since this now links to posts, you can be notified when someone replies to one of your comments.

There are two potential downsides depending on how you view it
1 - An extra step in having to click the "In reply to..." link to see the previous post
2 - You'd still have to quote in some way in order to focus on a specific portion of a post, such as a single sentence.

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Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:22:45
I'm all for trying it. Happy

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Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:17:51

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I'm all for trying it. Happy

 Same here.

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Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:59:57


I don't understand. Sad

If you can't make it simple for soccer moms like me then it's doomed to failure.

I like the chronological order.

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Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:53:03

It sounds like a good idea for our multi-page threads when you are coming to the thread late and want to get an overall summary, or you are going back and looking for a particular comment.

Is it is like the one at playeronpdcast.com?

The downside is that it makes the conversations a little more choppier.

I'd be fine either way, but before you put the work in I'd want buy-in from a few people, I';d hate to see you do all this work only for the community to throw a fit and make you undo the change.

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Thu, 07 Jan 2010 20:51:05
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Is it is like the one at playeronpdcast.com?

The downside is that it makes the conversations a little more choppier.

If you mean the comments on the blog posts, somewhat but not really.  Clicking reply inserts  a link at the start of the comment box to the post to which you're replying.  This would have a link referencing the post, yes, but you would not see it as you're writing the comment, and it would not redirect the page to that comment.  Instead, it would load the comment right there, likely via an AJAX call, but depending it may be preloaded.  Something like the Show/Hide button for comments, only for quote-chains.

I think that much of the time, people posting want to reply to a specific post, but don't really think a quote is necessary, but still want to be clear about to whom they're addressing.  This would be much cleaner in that regard.

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Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:31:29
Well if it's all or nothing really, but we can easily go back tot he old way we may as well trial it for a month or so and then see if people want to stick with it.

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Fri, 08 Jan 2010 05:45:12
Just another thing I'll add is that it's very common to be spending time editing a quote to remove nesting and clean it up, and that's time lost.

Another idea or perhaps optional setting would be to automatically display replies with a message size less that X characters, or to show the last X characters with the option to show the full message to try to counter-balance the potential to make reading messages more cumbersome.

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Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:11:55
A note on the updated blog concept: All blog links prior to implementation will be broken.  Other than maintaining a database of old links, we're just going to have to wipe the slate clean.  The blogs themselves and comments will be fine, but will have a new link.
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