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ASK_Story said:Here's what BioWare's co-founder, Greg Zeschuk said about JRPGs:
It's pretty harsh:
"The fall of the JRPG in large part is due to a lack of evolution, a lack of progression," Zeschuk said. "They kept delivering the same thing over and over. They make the dressing better, they look prettier, but it's still the same experience.
"My favorite thing, it's funny when you still see it, but the joke of some of the dialogue systems where it asks, 'do you wanna do this or this,' and you say no. 'Do you wanna do this or this?' No. 'Do you wanna do this or this?' No. Lemme think -- you want me to say 'yes.' And that, unfortunately, really characterized the JRPG."
Like I said on GS forums, this comes across somewhat hypocritical and arrogant.
What do you guys think?
"this comes across somewhat hypocritical and arrogant."
You said it.
as for, "the joke of some of the dialogue systems"
Of course their meaningless dialog trees are in no way a joke. Where you click through all the options to glean information and are then forced to select the ultimate "correct" answer anyway. What an ass.
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"The fall of the JRPG in large part is due to a lack of evolution, a lack of progression," Zeschuk said. "They kept delivering the same thing over and over. They make the dressing better, they look prettier, but it's still the same experience."
He's just described the industry as a whole 
gamingeek said:
He's just described the industry as a whole
Pretty much. What he said can be applied to all genres within the industry.
Dvader said:You guys have completely removed on side of the argument from the GGD. I go into this thread on the GGD and its a million people agreeing with what was said. I come here and it is the complete opposite. No wonder I feel alone there sometimes.
What?
Most of us don't care either way.
Like GG said most games are derivative of each other, no matter the genre. But who cares if you only by the good games.
I agree most of them just get prettier. I initially got into JRPG's because of Final Fantasy's CGI cutscenes. I didn't want to play the game; I just wanted to make it to the next sweet video. The cool special effects drew me in too, like summoning a GF in FFVIII and watching it cast some eleborate awesome spell. Eventually graphics in that department bottlenecked, and it isn't worth playing for the visuals anymore.
I have almost no tolerance for grinding either.
Listen to Iced Earth and play Doom
TBH, the only JRPGs that I've liked were Shining of the Holy Ark (Sega Saturn), Paper Mario: TTYD and Super Paper Mario. I didn't finish any of them, but they were all likable enough games. Super Paper Mario was the best because it was more of an adventure RPG, and didn't have any of those awful turn-based battles.
And Let's not forget Dragon Age which was Baldur's Gate Gears of War style.
Foolz said:This is quite ironic coming from BioWare given that KOTOR II was KOTOR, Mass Effect was KOTOR II, and Mass Effect II will be Mass Effect.
And Let's not forget Dragon Age which was Baldur's Gate Gears of War style.
I just got Dragon Age, BTW. Yay!
This guy is a fraud. Wonder where he got this idea? Here is Play Magazine from November. Given what they go on to say about Mass Effect I'm pretty sure some PR person would have shown him this article (page 46)
"The problem is, getting this wrong is stupidly easy, to a degree that you can make the entire inclusion of choice seem insulting to the person playing the game.
This is an error that I've seen crop up nowhere near as often as in Japanese RPGs. I won't name names here, but I remember a particular title a while back that featured a main hero who was totally wishy-washy teamed up with a couple leading ladies who were appalling in their walking all over him. I was, at one point, given the choice to go along with their stupid plan, or stay out of it. I chose not to participate, and my reward for doing so was a loop of text boxes that wouldn't let me continue on until I had picked the answer that the developer wanted me to. Why give me a choice if events will turn out the same either way, or worse, if you won't even let me pick the answer I want to pick?...
Mass Effect is a natural example of a game that excels in giving the player choice..."
And then it goes on and on and on about how great Mass Effect is.
Foolz said:This is quite ironic coming from BioWare given that KOTOR II was KOTOR, Mass Effect was KOTOR II, and Mass Effect II will be Mass Effect.
And Let's not forget Dragon Age which was Baldur's Gate Gears of War style.
KotOR 2 was made by Obsidian, not BioWare.
Angry_Beaver said:Foolz said:This is quite ironic coming from BioWare given that KOTOR II was KOTOR, Mass Effect was KOTOR II, and Mass Effect II will be Mass Effect.
And Let's not forget Dragon Age which was Baldur's Gate Gears of War style.KotOR 2 was made by Obsidian, not BioWare.
Was Mass Effect made by BioWare? If so, they skipped a game. Doesn't make a huge diffrence.
Foolz said:Angry_Beaver said:Foolz said:This is quite ironic coming from BioWare given that KOTOR II was KOTOR, Mass Effect was KOTOR II, and Mass Effect II will be Mass Effect.
And Let's not forget Dragon Age which was Baldur's Gate Gears of War style.KotOR 2 was made by Obsidian, not BioWare.
Was Mass Effect made by BioWare? If so, they skipped a game. Doesn't make a huge diffrence.
Have you played all the games you are criticizing?
SteelAttack said:Foolz said:Angry_Beaver said:Foolz said:This is quite ironic coming from BioWare given that KOTOR II was KOTOR, Mass Effect was KOTOR II, and Mass Effect II will be Mass Effect.
And Let's not forget Dragon Age which was Baldur's Gate Gears of War style.KotOR 2 was made by Obsidian, not BioWare.
Was Mass Effect made by BioWare? If so, they skipped a game. Doesn't make a huge diffrence.
KOTOR 1 and 2.
What's the major differences between Mass Effect and KOTOR? The gameplay looks very similar to me, albeit taking the ideas and concepts from KOTOR further.And adding in shooting.
It's pretty harsh:
"The fall of the JRPG in large part is due to a lack of evolution, a lack of progression," Zeschuk said. "They kept delivering the same thing over and over. They make the dressing better, they look prettier, but it's still the same experience.
"My favorite thing, it's funny when you still see it, but the joke of some of the dialogue systems where it asks, 'do you wanna do this or this,' and you say no. 'Do you wanna do this or this?' No. 'Do you wanna do this or this?' No. Lemme think -- you want me to say 'yes.' And that, unfortunately, really characterized the JRPG."
Like I said on GS forums, this comes across somewhat hypocritical and arrogant.
What do you guys think?
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