Also, like I said, it's only a sample of what's to come. After all, we're not in next gen
, this is still current gen for PC, just the latest and greatest of it. I expect consoles will arrive alongisde the next graphics cards models which will consider these tech demos child's play and go well beyond them.
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Agnates said:Did you actually watch in HD (with the link, not the tiny embed)? That's the point of high res, to see stuff low res doesn't show.
My computer probably can't run the video. 
Ok I saw some but yeah what am I supposed to be seeing that is so incredible. Its a pretty world they created there. Buildings, trees, stone flooring, beautiful lighting, I have seen it all before, maybe not as smooth but close enough.
Dvader said:The fact that you have to use some 3 year old game as your example proves that we have not moved an inch in years in terms of tech.
No it just proves that you are ignorant when it comes to technology.
Maybe you should have read this part!
Iga_Bobovic said:bugsonglass said:aspro said:^PC's used to to be previews of the future? What's there now? (That's a serious question).As far as i know, Crysis which was released back in 2007, is still the ultimate graphics/performance test for PCs. doesn't seem many developers are willing to push that envelope further. most, like valve, seem happy with what a mid-range PC and the HD consoles can do (which is not to say that is not impressive)
Correct, the PC are getting more powerful, but there is no incentive to further push technological barriers in games. More powerful PC are still being developed for simulation and engineering work, but it seems we reached a peak in games, for now!
Dvader said:Plus Crysis 2 will be on consoles, will it run perfectly, probably not but it will still look close to the PC version.
Did you see Crysis 2? Ever wondered why the switched from a Jungle setting to an Urban one? Think about it for a second! And have we even seen the console version of Crysis 2? Big assumption you are making there.
Dvader said:So if that is the very best the PC can do, why move to a new generation?
Again read the first quote or maybe this one.
Yodariquo said:There isn't the incentive to actually push things on PC. Aside from cutting back your already limited base by increasing requirements, you also then cut out (reasonable) console ports and all kinds of other crap. It's not nearly as financially viable as it once was. It doesn't mean that computing power and video cards have been at a standstill.
Moving on
Dvader said:So yeah Crysis does not prove me wrong, try again. And I would actually love to see something, so if I am missing a game please show me cause I would honestly love to be wowed.
It does prove you wrong, read your original statement
Dvader said:
There is no where for the HD systems to go. GoW3 is like the best looking game ever
Dvader said:That is a good reason. Anyway I just want to say that Iga is wrong, that is all.
If you want to be an obnoxious asshole like me, you have the following ingredients.
- Be obnoxious and an ass
- Be right
You got the first part right, still could use more venom, but it will do. The second part, yeah, not so much.
Be sure to get both parts right, getting the second part wrong will only make you look like a fool.
Iga_Bobovic said:Dvader said:The fact that you have to use some 3 year old game as your example proves that we have not moved an inch in years in terms of tech.
No it just proves that you are ignorant when it comes to technology.
Maybe you should have read this part!
Iga_Bobovic said:bugsonglass said:aspro said:^PC's used to to be previews of the future? What's there now? (That's a serious question).As far as i know, Crysis which was released back in 2007, is still the ultimate graphics/performance test for PCs. doesn't seem many developers are willing to push that envelope further. most, like valve, seem happy with what a mid-range PC and the HD consoles can do (which is not to say that is not impressive)
Correct, the PC are getting more powerful, but there is no incentive to further push technological barriers in games. More powerful PC are still being developed for simulation and engineering work, but it seems we reached a peak in games, for now!
Dvader said:Plus Crysis 2 will be on consoles, will it run perfectly, probably not but it will still look close to the PC version.
Did you see Crysis 2? Ever wondered why the switched from a Jungle setting to an Urban one? Think about it for a second! And have we even seen the console version of Crysis 2? Big assumption you are making there.
Dvader said:So if that is the very best the PC can do, why move to a new generation?
Again read the first quote or maybe this one.
Yodariquo said:There isn't the incentive to actually push things on PC. Aside from cutting back your already limited base by increasing requirements, you also then cut out (reasonable) console ports and all kinds of other crap. It's not nearly as financially viable as it once was. It doesn't mean that computing power and video cards have been at a standstill.
Moving on
Dvader said:So yeah Crysis does not prove me wrong, try again. And I would actually love to see something, so if I am missing a game please show me cause I would honestly love to be wowed.
It does prove you wrong, read your original statement
Dvader said:
There is no where for the HD systems to go. GoW3 is like the best looking game ever
Dvader said:That is a good reason. Anyway I just want to say that Iga is wrong, that is all.
If you want to be an obnoxious asshole like me, you have the following ingredients.
- Be obnoxious and an ass
- Be right
You got the first part right, still could use more venom, but it will do. The second part, yeah, not so much.
Be sure to get both parts right, getting the second part wrong will only make you look like a fool.
Yes we have seen the console versions of Crysis 2 in that E3 video, it was just sample parts but we still saw it.
I asked you a simple question, show me something that looks like a generational leap and you gave me Crysis you failed. You did not show me anything, so you failed. I ask again, SHOW me something or just admit there is nothing right now that looks like it is a generation above everything else. I am not asking for explinations or tech videos or whatever, I am looking for a game that you seem to believe exists.
So again I ask a very very simple question, SHOW me a game that looks a generation ahead of everything else.
Still, even if there were no games that did this, it doesn't mean PCs aren't capable of it. It's just that console gaming is where the money's at, so any game will cater to thsoe first, and only add a few enhancements for PC, as opposed to making a game that takes full advantage of it. Hell, that's the case with Metro 2033 too.
Still, given your last response to me, you're blind man Stupid auto resizing, that's meant to be viewed in beyond-HD res, otherwise all he texture quality isn't shown.
And the first Crysis with the right settings will likely look way better than Crysis 2 console still. Of course the PC version of 2 will also be beyond it despite being held back. Of course you won't notice with that eyesight
I could reduce my PC settings for all multiplatform games and play it on console-like settings but um, I don't because the difference is damn obvious. Like said water in Just Cause 2 for example. If you don't notice differences, good for you I guess. Heck, some people can't even tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps. That must be quite blissful indeed... Why hasn't excessive gaming ruined my eyesight too
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Holy shit that Metro 2033 footage is mindblowing.
By this year's end I will finally build my long planned gaming rig. This I swear.
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Dvader said:Iga_Bobovic said:Dvader said:The fact that you have to use some 3 year old game as your example proves that we have not moved an inch in years in terms of tech.
No it just proves that you are ignorant when it comes to technology.
Maybe you should have read this part!
Iga_Bobovic said:bugsonglass said:aspro said:^PC's used to to be previews of the future? What's there now? (That's a serious question).As far as i know, Crysis which was released back in 2007, is still the ultimate graphics/performance test for PCs. doesn't seem many developers are willing to push that envelope further. most, like valve, seem happy with what a mid-range PC and the HD consoles can do (which is not to say that is not impressive)
Correct, the PC are getting more powerful, but there is no incentive to further push technological barriers in games. More powerful PC are still being developed for simulation and engineering work, but it seems we reached a peak in games, for now!
Dvader said:Plus Crysis 2 will be on consoles, will it run perfectly, probably not but it will still look close to the PC version.
Did you see Crysis 2? Ever wondered why the switched from a Jungle setting to an Urban one? Think about it for a second! And have we even seen the console version of Crysis 2? Big assumption you are making there.
Dvader said:So if that is the very best the PC can do, why move to a new generation?
Again read the first quote or maybe this one.
Yodariquo said:There isn't the incentive to actually push things on PC. Aside from cutting back your already limited base by increasing requirements, you also then cut out (reasonable) console ports and all kinds of other crap. It's not nearly as financially viable as it once was. It doesn't mean that computing power and video cards have been at a standstill.
Moving on
Dvader said:So yeah Crysis does not prove me wrong, try again. And I would actually love to see something, so if I am missing a game please show me cause I would honestly love to be wowed.
It does prove you wrong, read your original statement
Dvader said:
There is no where for the HD systems to go. GoW3 is like the best looking game ever
Dvader said:That is a good reason. Anyway I just want to say that Iga is wrong, that is all.
If you want to be an obnoxious asshole like me, you have the following ingredients.
- Be obnoxious and an ass
- Be right
You got the first part right, still could use more venom, but it will do. The second part, yeah, not so much.
Be sure to get both parts right, getting the second part wrong will only make you look like a fool.
Yes we have seen the console versions of Crysis 2 in that E3 video, it was just sample parts but we still saw it.
I asked you a simple question, show me something that looks like a generational leap and you gave me Crysis you failed. You did not show me anything, so you failed. I ask again, SHOW me something or just admit there is nothing right now that looks like it is a generation above everything else. I am not asking for explinations or tech videos or whatever, I am looking for a game that you seem to believe exists.
So again I ask a very very simple question, SHOW me a game that looks a generation ahead of everything else.
No, not even close. Still wrong though, keep trying you might get it right sometimes
Oh and read this
Iga_Bobovic said:Or course you will deny that that does not constitute a generational leap, but who cares. Your original statement was that PS3 and 360 has no way to go power wise. Crysis proves you wrong.
Oh look at that, I correctly predicted what you were going to say.
Besides generation leap is a subjective thing, you can keep denying all you want, but there is nothing with the scale and detail like Crysis on the consoles.
Agnates said:Metro 2033 on PC with a DX11 card is close.
Still, even if there were no games that did this, it doesn't mean PCs aren't capable of it. It's just that console gaming is where the money's at, so any game will cater to thsoe first, and only add a few enhancements for PC, as opposed to making a game that takes full advantage of it. Hell, that's the case with Metro 2033 too.
Stupid auto resizing, that's meant to be viewed in beyond-HD res, otherwise all he texture quality isn't shown.
And the first Crysis with the right settings will likely look way better than Crysis 2 console still. Of course the PC version of 2 will also be beyond it despite being held back. Of course you won't notice with that eyesight
I could reduce my PC settings for all multiplatform games and play it on console-like settings but um, I don't because the difference is damn obvious. Like said water in Just Cause 2 for example. If you don't notice differences, good for you I guess. Heck, some people can't even tell the difference between 30 and 60 fps. That must be quite blissful indeed... Why hasn't excessive gaming ruined my eyesight too
Ok that video was awesome, Iga that is how you needed to respond. That was stunning, that game moved in a way that the games I am playing on PS3 don't
The other video though had no actual gameplay, had no characters on screen, had no actual gameplay camera. It wasn't that impressive, it showed a pretty world thats about it. I still dont get what I was supposed to be so wowed by in that other tech video.
Iga_Bobovic said:Oh look at that, I correctly predicted what you were going to say.
Besides generation leap is a subjective thing, you can keep denying all you want, but there is nothing with the scale and detail like Crysis on the consoles.
Really, like how I knew you were going to use Crysis as your example. So easy to predict.
And again you ignore my question. Oh well. Yes I know its subjective but at least make an attempt like Agnates did. Crysis is not going to make me jump out of my chair and buy a new $500 console.
Still looks better than console version with some impressive effects though. I especially like the volumetric lighting and godrays. Anyway, I'm not a graphics whore, I love my PSP and Wii, but there's certainly a vast difference from top PC end to current consoles, even if it's reduced by the amount of porting.
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Agnates said:I play Metro in DX10 btw
Still looks better than console version with some impressive effects though. I especially like the volumetric lighting and godrays. Anyway, I'm not a graphics whore, I love my PSP and Wii, but there's certainly a vast difference from top PC end to current consoles, even if it's reduced by the amount of porting.
Yeah, it's not even funny. A proper high end gaming set up can play flawlessly any game at retardedly high resolutions that put the measly 720p-ish and the console holy grail (which few, if any console games have been able to achieve natively anyway) 1080p to shame.
Dvader said:Iga_Bobovic said:Oh look at that, I correctly predicted what you were going to say.
Besides generation leap is a subjective thing, you can keep denying all you want, but there is nothing with the scale and detail like Crysis on the consoles.
Really, like how I knew you were going to use Crysis as your example. So easy to predict.
And again you ignore my question. Oh well. Yes I know its subjective but at least make an attempt like Agnates did.
Of course I ignore your question, because it is a subjective and stupid question. We are talking about technology here, the cool thing about it is, that we can keep stuff objective. Generational leap is not subjective, a games that runs 1080p at 60 frames per second with fully destructible environment is much more objective and more easily disprovable/provable. Which is a question you ignored.
Dvader said:Oh well. Yes I know its subjective but at least make an attempt like Agnates did. Crysis is not going to make me jump out of my chair and buy a new $500 console.
You are barking at the wrong tree here. I only have a Wii, I am not a PC gamer like Agnates. And I was actually impressed by the graphics and sound when playing Castlevania 3 on the Virtual Console. I am not the one to ask what constitutes impressive graphics. And no, I do not believe we should jump to next gen already. I am perfectly happy with what we got now, but I see that PCs are more powerful that HD consoles. That is just what it is. And I do not want next gen just to be increase in graphics either.
But does not change the fact that you are wrong, very wrong. But you admitted that already, but let me rub it in. WRONGGGGGGGGGG
Dvader said:
So again I ask a very very simple question, SHOW me a game that looks a generation ahead of everything else.
This:
Don't tell me you didn't laugh.
Dvader said:The fact that you have to use some 3 year old game as your example proves that we have not moved an inch in years in terms of tech. Plus Crysis 2 will be on consoles, will it run perfectly, probably not but it will still look close to the PC version. So if that is the very best the PC can do, why move to a new generation? Where is that example of something. So yeah Crysis does not prove me wrong, try again. And I would actually love to see something, so if I am missing a game please show me cause I would honestly love to be wowed.
I hear that they had a hard time getting the Crysis engine running on consoles. Crysis 2 on consoles and PC is a commercial reason not a technical one. They already said that the sequel was more linear and constrained because of consoles.
Iga_Bobovic said:
But does not change the fact that you are wrong, very wrong. But you admitted that already, but let me rub it in. WRONGGGGGGGGGG
Quick! Someone hit the Silence Iga button.
Iga_Bobovic said:You are barking at the wrong tree here. I only have a Wii, I am not a PC gamer like Agnates. And I was actually impressed by the graphics and sound when playing Castlevania 3 on the Virtual Console. I am not the one to ask what constitutes impressive graphics. And no, I do not believe we should jump to next gen already. I am perfectly happy with what we got now, but I see that PCs are more powerful that HD consoles. That is just what it is. And I do not want next gen just to be increase in graphics either.
But does not change the fact that you are wrong, very wrong. But you admitted that already, but let me rub it in. WRONGGGGGGGGGG
Fine you win. *shakes fist*
It did look beautiful but nothing so advanced that I feel it is something I have never seen before. I am sure it is doing many things with the lighting and who knows what else that makes it hard to run but it's not that far ahead visually as what we are playing now I feel. I can totally imagine a game playing in that world.