SteelAttack said:It's not a guessing game. It's supposed to be ridiculously favored towards the kicker. Hence the name "penalty kick".
That doesn't leave much room for skill.
Dvader said:That doesn't leave much room for skill.
Try kicking one sometime. Or stopping one.
Edit: There IS skill involved, that's what I'm getting to. As a kicker, do you aim for a high or low shot? or try to reach the angle? Blast the net or carefully place your kick? As a goalie, do you wait until you see the direction of the ball? try to guess the direction?
At high levels of play it's even more dramatic and demanding. Have you done research on your opponent? Does the goalie tend to wait until the last moment, or guesses before the shoot takes place? Does he favor any given side? Does the kicker use strenght or finesse? Is he a righty or leftie? Is he known for giving in to pressure?
Now imagine everything I've just said, rolling around a player's mind in the span of a few seconds, with the weight of the hopes of an entire country over your shoulders.
That goes the same for both teams. It's not unfair, unless your team is ill-prepared for deciding a match with a PK (or a series of them).
SteelAttack said:Try kicking one sometime. Or stopping one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymgMNLPw1yY
SteelAttack said:Aaaaand?
There is guesswork on something that is super important. You play a full game just to have the game boil down to an unbalanced mini game. It's exciting to watch but while watching I found myself wondering who would screw up rather than who would make an unbelievable goal. That last goal, I was laughing at the goalie cause he ate it, the actual goal didn't matter, the goalie fell. There was one where the guy completely missed the net. When the odds are so heavily favored that you are supposed to make the goal, it becomes an event of who will screw up rather than who will do something skillful.
They have it backwards, the goalie should have the advantage so that when a goal is scored its an actual feat.
If this goes on for much longer, this'll beat the discussion in the Ghilbli game thread.
bugsonglass said:Way to go Uruguay. Nice way to cheat your way to the semis.
This world cup is now officially dead for me.
Ghana got the penalty. The saved goal would not have mattered if Gyan had kept his cool.
If only he could have missed against us instead! 
So is only the Hollanda left for the vgpress's officially sanctioned teams? Well done to them for getting rid of the Brazilians. 
Foolz said:^
If this goes on for much longer, this'll beat the discussion in the Ghilbli game thread.bugsonglass said:Way to go Uruguay. Nice way to cheat your way to the semis.
This world cup is now officially dead for me.Ghana got the penalty. The saved goal would not have mattered if Gyan had kept his cool.
If only he could have missed against us instead!
So is only the Hollanda left for the vgpress's officially sanctioned teams? Well done to them for getting rid of the Brazilians.
Holland was never sanctioned by anyone here. So everyone is out. And there must be a change of rule. That ball should have been counted a goal. Why would you reward such action with a penalty? You are giving the cheaters a chance, cheating actually paid off. Video reffing must be implemented immediately, but it won't.
Dvader said:SteelAttack said:Aaaaand?
There is guesswork on something that is super important. You play a full game just to have the game boil down to an unbalanced mini game. It's exciting to watch but while watching I found myself wondering who would screw up rather than who would make an unbelievable goal. That last goal, I was laughing at the goalie cause he ate it, the actual goal didn't matter, the goalie fell. There was one where the guy completely missed the net. When the odds are so heavily favored that you are supposed to make the goal, it becomes an event of who will screw up rather than who will do something skillful.
They have it backwards, the goalie should have the advantage so that when a goal is scored its an actual feat.
That's the point, penalties are pressure cookers. You see who breaks first under pressure. Many studies have been done and penalties are not as easy as they seem. By making people think about their kick they will mess up. Plus their is the psychological warfare between keeper and striker.
And if you miss, you are responsible for your team being knocked out. It's not fair, but it was never supposed to be fair. It beautiful, it's tragic, it is the worldwide number 1 cause of heart attacks. All hail penalties and their abilities to make grown man cry like little girls
That guy who handballed it and got sent off. Did you see how that bastard celebrated when Ghana missed the penalty?
Anyhow, I'm against penalties. I want to watch players keep playing extra time for as long as it takes. I want to see players dropping and being carried out on stretchers from exhaustion.
gamingeek said:
That guy who handballed it and got sent off. Did you see how that bastard celebrated when Ghana missed the penalty?
Anyhow, I'm against penalties. I want to watch players keep playing extra time for as long as it takes. I want to see players dropping and being carried out on stretchers from exhaustion.
That would work too, like in tennis. Yeah, we need a two goal difference though.
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Tell me to get back to rewriting this site so it's not horrible on mobileDvader said:There is guesswork on something that is super important. You play a full game just to have the game boil down to an unbalanced mini game. It's exciting to watch but while watching I found myself wondering who would screw up rather than who would make an unbelievable goal. That last goal, I was laughing at the goalie cause he ate it, the actual goal didn't matter, the goalie fell. There was one where the guy completely missed the net. When the odds are so heavily favored that you are supposed to make the goal, it becomes an event of who will screw up rather than who will do something skillful.
They have it backwards, the goalie should have the advantage so that when a goal is scored its an actual feat.
It takes skill to put the ball where the goalie won't reach it. It is a matter of skill, and keeping your cool under the heaviest pressure that futbol offers. It isn't fair, but it was never a matter of fairness. It's just a way of deciding a match that teams haven't been able to decide on the field in regular time. A missed PK is a badly shot PK. Goalie actually has the advantage because he's got nothing to lose and everything to gain. If he stops the PK, he's a hero, if the goal goes in, he wasn't supposed to do much anyway.
Yodariquo said:I disagree with the evaluation here. A goal should not be a goal unless is crosses the line, no exceptions. Yeah, he used an illegal move, which was correctly replied to -- with a penalty.
This is the correct assessment. Suarez made an illegal move, he got sanctioned according to the rules, with a red card and a PK, and Ghana pissed it away. A goal isn't a goal unless the whole perimeter of it has crossed in its entirety the line. Until then, it's a ball in play, no matter how sure a goal it might have been had the play kept going on.
Germany are 1 -0 up over Argentina
gamingeek said:
Germany are 1 -0 up over Argentina
Good. I want the argies out.
Why does Tevez have this like chicken skin neck? It looks like someone has slashed his throat and its healed over.
LOL, 4 of the Argentinians were offside.
Fucking Heinze faking a foul like a bitch.
Argentina has increased the pressure by the end of the first half. Germany needs to get their shit together.
It's not a guessing game. It's supposed to be ridiculously favored towards the kicker. Hence the name "penalty kick".