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The internet's media content is now a better version of modern TV (YouTube/streaming is reality tv done properly, Netflix is HBO with more freedom), a better version of libraries (though in many ways worse, as well), a better version of mass communication (luddites can debate this, but turning humanity into groups of isolated tribes, yet on a global scale, may actually be an extremely positive thing), and that's about it.

This means it’s now standardised...and boring as shit. The freedom of information it offered before is diluted by censorship, advertising and indexing. Individual voice has been crushed by the genres that have emerged from capitalism, democracy and interface: instead of nebulous site design, we have things like blogs, tumblr, reddit; all aiming for social media regurgitation, resulting in supposedly unique genres that are more like a homogenous blob of bullshit. And forums, the most freeform mass communication interface since the original forum in Greece, have been subsumed by shit like reddit, where most posts fall victim to upvote greed, or twitter-like reduction due to the format.

New forms of internet interaction such as VR Chat, while fucking hilarious, appear to exist (to an outsider) for the sole purpose of spamming memes.

I still believe all of this is probably the best thing for humanity since medicine lobotomised itself a century or two ago, but it's boring as shit to me—which is one of the reasons people may think it's bad for humanity. But as the ever wise Edgecrusher said, "violence is fun, pacifism is boring".

But have I missed something? Am I too old? Is there somewhere on the internet (other than thevgpress) that still gives any of you hope?

Maybe all the internet needs to be great again is for my wonderful avatar to work. :(

Posted by Foolz Tue, 16 Jan 2018 08:57:56 (comments: 17)
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Thu, 18 Jan 2018 09:25:04
Foolz said:

However, I do agree with the rest of the post.

So basically you're only agreeing with Robio on buying heroine and sex slaves through the dark web?

 
Thu, 18 Jan 2018 09:34:57
Foolz said:

I also agree with Edge, but the indie wave doesn't give me much hope. Reactionary stuff isn't much more interesting than the stuff it's opposed to; they're two sides of the same coin. Once you reach a certain saturation point of knowledge in any medium or movement, there's no going back.

So you're basically saying that once any medium matures, all the potentionally interesting stuff ceizes to exist?  Boy, things must have been going downhill for ages ever since the first man created the written word.  To just even try to imagine the amazing life we all must have lead back then.  indecision

 
Thu, 18 Jan 2018 09:53:56
SupremeAC said:

So you're basically saying that once any medium matures, all the potentionally interesting stuff ceizes to exist?  Boy, things must have been going downhill for ages ever since the first man created the written word.  To just even try to imagine the amazing life we all must have lead back then.  indecision

This is what tradition is for. It allows for evolution outside of technology. Presently there is no tradition (or rather, the current tradition has no ambition outside of materialism, so is incapable of evolution beyond commentary on the medium within which it exists), so in the current climate, everything does indeed go to shit once people have figured out how everything works. Films made it to the 70s, the 80s if we're including the first wave of reactionary mainstream cinema. We could go back to 50s, then 60s reactionary stuff, if we wanted to be massive dicks, but I'm feeling generous.

I do not assume things were better in the past. It stands to reason that this, notwithstanding minor variations and possible boom periods that happen in a microcosm (ala the internet up until now), is the state of things since time immemorial. In short, people have probably always sucked--it makes sense if they suck now, that they always did. And that if I'm complaining about it now, that there were always people complaining about it (and there's certainly a lot of evidence to support this, since the invention of text). Nyaa

So basically you're only agreeing with Robio on buying heroine and sex slaves through the dark web?

Yes.

 
Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:09:42

I agree with your points, as well as with those of Robio, being that the lack of a barrier to entry, is screwing us over.  I'd rather have culture than democraty.  I am heavily opposed to the idea that it's a good thing that everyone can put up anything on the internet.  It gives the insane a forum to find likeminded people so they can become even more insane, it gives the mediocre the feeling that their worthless contributions are worthwhile, and above all, it's eating up a lot of our natural resources just to produce enough energy to keep it all from collapsing under its own weight.

But of course, this place we have here is amazing and totally worth it.

 
Thu, 18 Jan 2018 11:01:44
SupremeAC said:

I agree with your points, as well as with those of Robio, being that the lack of a barrier to entry, is screwing us over.  I'd rather have culture than democraty.  I am heavily opposed to the idea that it's a good thing that everyone can put up anything on the internet.  It gives the insane a forum to find likeminded people so they can become even more insane, it gives the mediocre the feeling that their worthless contributions are worthwhile, and above all, it's eating up a lot of our natural resources just to produce enough energy to keep it all from collapsing under its own weight.

But of course, this place we have here is amazing and totally worth it.

Nothing encourages and rewards mediocrity more than gatekeeping. Without gatekeeping, you get a similar amount of good-great stuff (there's what, 4 shooters that matter recently: Doom, Overwatch, DayZ and PUB), but everything else has the chance of being bad in terms of polish and ability to fulfil convention, whereas gatekeeping results in a lot of polished and conventional mediocrity. I also don't think this fits much with the timeline in regards to the internet and its downward trend. If anything, as gatekeeping has been established (YouTube figuring out there's money to be made by promoting its videos, for instance), the internet has become more boring. But I don't think that's the cause of it, either.

I personally don't care if there is gatekeeping or there isn't. Both options have advantages and disadvantages, and neither results in more genuinely good stuff than the other.

 
Thu, 18 Jan 2018 16:48:03
I went to GAF, started reading the Nintendo Labo thread. Then someone made a "thinking out of the box" wisecrack and I switched off. Fuck everything.
 
Sat, 20 Jan 2018 09:01:43

So, when I say am I just too old, I mean is the issue simply that I've learnt to use the internet in a certain way that isn't compatible with finding interesting things anymore. For instance, google image search is based on image popularity, not the popularity of the source, so often yields a more diverse range of sources; but that's a counterintuitive way for me to find things other than images. Also, when I do manage to break out of the well indexed internet, the things I find are usually more interesting, or at least more earnest, even where there is crossover; particularly when politics is involved. So I'm probably just shit at the internet now.

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