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[neogaf.com] Namco To Host Pre-TGS Party Secret & Unannounced Games To Be Revealed? neogaf.com darthhomer
Skate 2 To Lead On PS3!   Wow. That's Something. gamer.tm darthhomer
DSi Software To Be Region Locked   FUCKING STUPID & LAME dsfanboy.com darthhomer
[gamekyo.com] Monster Hunter 3 screens gamekyo.com gamingeek
Red Alert preview 1up.com gamingeek
1up editors chat DSi "My first iPhone" 1up.com gamingeek
[edge-online.com] 20% of DS owners, repeat buyers? edge-online.com gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] Gaming has to be the heart Of DSi - Dunaway gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] 360 price cuts are not a reaction To flagging sales - Balmer gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] Motorstorm 2: over 90 new screens computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] Gears of War 2 Manual now online Grab the scans before they are gone computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
Sarah Palin: The MILF Photoshopped into videogames pwnordie.com gamingeek
[gonintendo.com] Megaman DLC hits today gonintendo.com gamingeek
[eurogamer.net] Eurogamer on Wii Great Editorial on the future eurogamer.net gamingeek
[eurogamer.net] Download Full Spectrum Warrior Legally, for free eurogamer.net gamingeek
[eurogamer.net] MS show re-designed XBLA portal eurogamer.net gamingeek
[gamersyde.com] BIA HH: The first 10 minutes video gamersyde.com gamingeek
Alan Wake Screen gfdata.de gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Deus Ex 3: PC Zone exclusive gamekyo.com gamingeek
[famitsu.com] Away Shuffle Dungeon - more screens famitsu.com Iga_Bobovic
[gonintendo.com] GameStop - Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia preorder Reserve Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia and receive a free Castlevania Soundtrack! gonintendo.com Iga_Bobovic
Muramasa developer Interview More action and jumping based than Odin Sphere 1up.com Iga_Bobovic
Iwata asks: Wii music part one Miyamoto: I wasn't this excited when we created Super Mario Bros. wii.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Claymore DS first screenshots If it is only half as good as the manga, if only... gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Crysis Wars Videos (PC) ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Gears of War 2 Campaign Hands-on The fight for survival is about to begin ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] LittleBigPlanet: Beta-Built IGN shows some nice levels ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] NBA 2K9 Review A return to dominance for the time-honored series ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Quantum of Solace IGN Hands-on Console version ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Mushroom Men screenshots DS version ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Quantum of Solace DS Hands-on ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Reggie whines about real Nintendo fans. Whhaaaa....whahaaa... ign.com edgecrusher
[gamespot.com] SOE: All future MMOGs console-bound gamespot.com Ravenprose
[gamespot.com] Tomb Raider Underworld exclusive XBL DLC 2 new maps, about 6 hrs content gamespot.com Ravenprose
[gonintendo.com] Silicon Knights lays off 26 employees… temporarily gonintendo.com Ravenprose
[gonintendo.com] FFCC: Echoes of Time - DS screens gonintendo.com Ravenprose
[gonintendo.com] Knights in the Nightmare demo impressions gonintendo.com Ravenprose
[gonintendo.com] Guitar Hero On Tour: Decades bundle heading to Europe gonintendo.com Ravenprose
[gonintendo.com] Nintendo Channel - updates gonintendo.com Ravenprose
[gonintendo.com] Cave Story WiiWare - site open gonintendo.com Ravenprose
[ign.com] IGN Mushroom Men Screenshots ign.com Ravenprose
[ign.com] IGN Wii Music Update ign.com Ravenprose
[ign.com] MadStone Images ign.com Ravenprose
[ign.com] IGN MadStone WiiWare Review 4.0 ign.com Ravenprose
[ign.com] IGN Mario Golf Review 8.0 ign.com Ravenprose
[ign.com] IGN Tetris Party Hands-on ign.com Ravenprose
[ign.com] IGN Hands-on Cave Story WiiWare ign.com Ravenprose
[ign.com] IGN Midnight Bowling Review 4.9 ign.com Ravenprose
Treasure interivew: VC 360 shooter and Sin and Punishment 2 1up.com gamingeek
[edge-online.com] Analyst urges PS3 price cut edge-online.com gamingeek
[edge-online.com] Wii gets another million seller Take one guess... edge-online.com gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] Sony getting new winter bundles No price cut though gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] Red Faction interview computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] PSW on Dead Space "The new survival horror benchmark" computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] Official mags fawn over Far Cry 2 computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
Zero Punctuation review Force unleashed - should be funny escapistmagazine.com gamingeek
Little Kings Story interview 1up.com gamingeek
[gamesradar.com] Sam and Max season 1 review Gamesradar 8/10 gamesradar.com gamingeek
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[gamersyde.com] Tomb Raider Underworld trailer gamersyde.com gamingeek
SF IV scans Chun Li in the shower? imagebam.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Last Remnant video gamekyo.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Ask Monolith or Nintendo Website will forward your questions gamekyo.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] SUDA to reveal new Marvelous title gamekyo.com gamingeek
[gamasutra.com] Ubisoft spending $10 million On Shaun White adverts gamasutra.com gamingeek
[gamasutra.com] 360 getting Blu-ray External drive on the cards? gamasutra.com gamingeek
New Prince of Persia trailer. Weird ass site wont let me see the video. aftonbladet.se Dvader
[neogaf.com] Famitsu sum up and scores. neogaf.com Dvader
[gametrailers.com] TGS: Banjo Kazooie: Nuts dev walkthrough 6 videos, follow the links on the page. gametrailers.com Dvader
[gametrailers.com] TGS: Ninja Blade dev walkthrough vid. Three parts, this is a link to part 1. gametrailers.com Dvader
[gamasutra.com] Marvelous Interview One of the few 3rd parties that is doing awesome things on the Wii gamasutra.com Iga_Bobovic
[nintendoeverything.com] SEGA vs Capcom fighter at TGS? nintendoeverything.com gamingeek
Secret nintendo game Yup, start the rumours mtv.com gamingeek
[famitsu.com] Rune Factory Frontier screens famitsu.com gamingeek
[gametrailers.com] Tatsukono vs Capcom trailer gametrailers.com gamingeek
Little Kings Story TGS trailer Watch it NOW!!! 1up.com gamingeek
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[ign.com] TGS: SplatterHouse Trailer Shown Promises Gore and Disturbing Content. Sold! ign.com phantom_leo
[neogaf.com] Famitsu reviews Sky Crawlers 8/8/8/8 neogaf.com Iga_Bobovic
[gonintendo.com] DSi has more RAM than the DS Used for Opera gonintendo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gonintendo.com] SEGA planning to bring MadWorld to Australia Austalia planning to ban it! gonintendo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Street Fighter IV screenshots of Sakura gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] White Knight Story online mode details gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Yakuza 3 new screenshots gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Tecmo announces Quantum Theory for the PlayStation 3 gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] Arc Rise Fantasia new screenshots gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Afro Samurai preview ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Afro Samurai screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] TGS 2008: Tekken 6 Preview ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Mirror's Edge Progress Report hink leaping across rooftops is tough? Do it in 53 seconds. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Tales of Symphonia screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Shining Force II: The Ancient Seal IGN Review A Strategy RPG classic ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Tales of Symphonia 2 new trailer ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] New MadWorld screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] IGN Brothers in Arms: Double Time Video videos "It's lagtastic!" ign.com Ravenprose
[gamersyde.com] TGS: 10 minute RE5 gameplay video. No sound, shows new controls. gamersyde.com Dvader
[gamersyde.com] TGS: Yakuza 3 gameplay trailer. Do I see a create your own whore option? gamersyde.com Dvader
[youtube.com] TGS: Dragon Quest IX trailer. Off screen. youtube.com Dvader
[gametrailers.com] Muramasa trailer Drool gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
White Knight Story preview 1up 1up.com gamingeek
[neogaf.com] Sonic Unleashed footage neogaf.com gamingeek
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Discipline WiiWare screens Whaaaaaaaaaat? dengeki.com gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] Xbox live new experience up On November the 19th gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] Japanese market fall drops nintendo shares To yearly low gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] 360 sales up over 60% in Europe gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] PSP gets Dualshock 3 support What? computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] FF XIII screen Yep, one screen computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] Tekken 6 screens computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] SF IV videos and screens PC link here, baby computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
[eurogamer.net] Sony Deny Secret TGS Conference Web rumours untrue eurogamer.net gamingeek
TGS: Prince of Persia Hands-On Sounds promising! Choose your own adventure? 1up.com phantom_leo
[ign.com] TGS: Next Gen CastleVania coming to 360 and PS3. Better be 2D DAMMIT! ign.com phantom_leo
[gamekyo.com] Fragile video Moody gamekyo.com Iga_Bobovic
TGS 2008: Tenchu 4 Hands-on 1up preview 1up.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] TGS 2008: Tenchu 4 Hands-on IGN preview ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] Muramasa video Shitty quality, but still awesome gametrailers.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] TGS 2008 Dead Rising Wii Trailer coming out Feb 2009 ign.com Ravenprose
Disicpline announced, a new Wiiware game! Marvelous is on Fire sbcr.jp Punk Rebel Ecks
[neogaf.com] Solid Snake and Sephiroth in Little Big Planet Greatest thing ever neogaf.com Dvader
TGS: White Knight Chronicles trailer No gameplay 1up.com Dvader
TGS: SUPER EPIC RE5 MEGA TRAILER!!!!!!! FUUUUUUUCK!!!! Way better than the other one. 1up.com Dvader
TGS: Space Invaders Extreme, Metal Slug 7 XBLA Plus Arkanoid, R Type, KoF xbox360fanboy.com Dvader
[ign.com] Call of Duty 5 online footage. Part 1 of 4. ign.com Dvader
TGS: Bayonetta trailer Holy... 1up.com Dvader
[gamersyde.com] TGS: Star Ocean 4 trailer Comes out March 3rd gamersyde.com Dvader
[bungie.net] TGS: Halo 3 Recon Teaser Trailer New Halo game comes fall 2009, new hero. bungie.net Dvader
[youtube.com] TGS: Sonic and the Black Knight trailer I want!! youtube.com Dvader
[gamersyde.com] TGS: Demon's Soul footage up. Heard its not good gamersyde.com Dvader
[kotaku.com] TGS: Tekken 6 coming to 360 on day 1. From the MS keynote. kotaku.com Dvader
[gamekyo.com] TGS: 39 new Oboro Muramasa images Beautiful gamekyo.com Dvader
MGO Meme expansion trailer. YES! konami.jp Dvader
[gametrailers.com] No More Heroes 2 trailer. Yes you read correctly. gametrailers.com Dvader
Resident Evil 5 TGS Trailer Vader Freakout Confirmed. 1up.com darthhomer
[ign.com] Tenchu 4 IGN videos Ninja action ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Fragile IGN Hands on ign.com gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] MS: Japanese 3rd parties are leaving Sony For 360 to reach a global audience gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] Sony want the 360 to succeed in Japan Find out why inside gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[edge-online.com] Microsoft denies Blu-ray plans edge-online.com gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] 360 Fallout 3 hacked and online Pirates have it  3 weeks before release gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[gamesindustry.biz] PS2 still outselling PS3 in Japan Wii still outselling them all combined gamesindustry.biz gamingeek
[computerandvideogames.com] Far Cry 2 screens Edge delight computerandvideogames.com gamingeek
[wired.com] RIZ-ZOAWD impressions From Wired wired.com gamingeek
[gonintendo.com] Off Screen MH3 videos gonintendo.com gamingeek
[gametrailers.com] Fragile hunting videos Looks atmospheric gametrailers.com gamingeek
Last Flight Gory Zombie screens WiiWare action title looks good wiiware-world.com gamingeek
CV Judgement impressions Suprisingly good? Or not? kombo.com gamingeek
[gonintendo.com] Perfect Prosecuter screens and video Miles Edgeworth strikes back gonintendo.com gamingeek
Kings Story presentaion video gamevideos alert! 1up.com gamingeek
[ign.com] Capcom dish out MH3 details ign.com gamingeek
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[gamespot.com] Rygar trailer gamespot.com gamingeek
[gamespot.com] Gamespot hands on with Tatsukono vs Capcom gamespot.com gamingeek
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Why you can't hate on Wii Music By Jeremy Parish crispygamer.com gamingeek
[joystiq.com] MH3 Joystiq hands on Awesome? joystiq.com gamingeek
[ign.com] Cing and tecmo team up to make dark DS Detective horror game - trailer ign.com gamingeek
[destructoid.com] Klonoa impressions destructoid.com gamingeek
[wired.com] Rygar Battle of Argus impressions From Wired wired.com gamingeek
[eurogamer.net] Europe getting two versions of NMH 2 One with extreme violence eurogamer.net gamingeek
[gamasutra.com] Yuji Naka making Sonic 'like' game At Prope. Like Billy Hatcher?? gamasutra.com gamingeek
[gamasutra.com] TGS Analysis The state of the big three hardware makers gamasutra.com gamingeek
[gamersyde.com] Killzone TGS video No sound gamersyde.com gamingeek
[gametrailers.com] Next gen Castlevania teaser video gametrailers.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Chop till you Drop screens Nudity gives Bayonetta a run for its money gamekyo.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] RIZ-ZOAWD gameplay video Does Dorothy make it home? gamekyo.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Valhalla Knights Wii video gamekyo.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Jaw Dropping video Bionic Commando gamekyo.com gamingeek
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[gamekyo.com] Ninja Blade video demo and screens gamekyo.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Halo Wars video demo and screens gamekyo.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Ninokuni: First video Studio Ghibli game gamekyo.com gamingeek
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[ign.com] Saints Row 2 IGN Review No Oscar worthy story here! ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] TGS 2008: Resistance 2 Update Nothing too new here, and it's in Japanese. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] TGS 2008: Avalon Code Video ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] My Little Pony: Pinkie Pie's Party Review Steel this one is for you! ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] TGS: Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days Update Hands-on with the show's most obtusely named game. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Bleach: Dark Souls Review More of the same is fine, when the same is this good. 8.5 ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] TGS 2008: Muramasa Hands-on Possibly the most stunning Wii game of the show. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Weapons Locker: The Beam Katana The weapon that defined No More Heroes ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[gamekyo.com] More Monster Hunter 3 Gameplay More dinos gamekyo.com Foolz
[ign.com] Deadly Creatures voice cast trailer Billy Bob and Dennis Hopper, GOTY!! ign.com Dvader
[toysrus.com] Toy's R Us Buy 2 get 1 Free -All videogames! Sunday and Monday only toysrus.com Ravenprose
High Voltage announces new WiiWare racer nintendowiifanboy.com Ravenprose
[ign.com] Official Monster Hunter 3 trailer High quality TGS - wow ign.com gamingeek
[nintendoeverything.com] No More Heroes: Desperate Struggle Details A few new details nintendoeverything.com Punk Rebel Ecks
[gametrailers.com] TGS: Even better RE5 caves gameplay video!! HOLY jumping zombie tribal ganados!!! gametrailers.com Dvader
[wired.com] RE: Degeneration movie review Wired did not like it. I will like it. wired.com Dvader
[gametrailers.com] TGS: RE5 new gameplay video. Shows new location and enemy gametrailers.com Dvader
[gametrailers.com] Tenchu IV Walkthrough video At Gametrailers: Looking great gametrailers.com gamingeek
Halo 3 Recon 1up interview 1up.com gamingeek
Harvest Moon Tree of Tranquility 1up review "Satisfying yet flawed" 1up.com gamingeek
[edge-online.com] Gears of War 2 is gold So I coloured the story gold edge-online.com gamingeek
[siliconera.com] Crapcom: Tatsukono vs update "Probably" not coming westwards siliconera.com gamingeek
No More Heroes 2 is Wii exclusive "Wii's graphics to get better and better" gamepro.com gamingeek
Gamepro's 28 best FPS of all time gamepro.com gamingeek
[youtube.com] Arc Rise Fantasia Battle Footage youtube.com gamingeek
[gonintendo.com] 1up previews of Fragile and... ...RIZ-WOAD, Sonic and FFCC gonintendo.com gamingeek
Shaun White Wii screens Not bad, not great livewii.fr gamingeek
7th dragon 1up impressions 1up.com gamingeek
[gametrailers.com] Rygar videos at gametrailers gametrailers.com gamingeek
[ign.com] IGN Hands on with Arc Rise Fantasia "Looking very nice" 70% complete ign.com gamingeek
[gonintendo.com] Prince of Persia Movie pic Oh, my, God.... gonintendo.com gamingeek
[gameinformer.com] Gameinformer TGS impressions A ton of games one a couple of pages gameinformer.com gamingeek
[gonintendo.com] Ton of Nintendo related videos At Gametrailers gonintendo.com gamingeek
[gamersyde.com] Infamous images In case you missed them yesterday gamersyde.com gamingeek
[gamersyde.com] SOCOM TGS video gamersyde.com gamingeek
[gamersyde.com] Wii games montage TGS video gamersyde.com gamingeek
[gamersyde.com] Sonic Unleashed Wii gameplay video As good as the screens? gamersyde.com gamingeek
[gamersyde.com] Family Ski 2 gameplay video gamersyde.com gamingeek
[gamersyde.com] Let's Tap gameplay video Naka gone mad? gamersyde.com gamingeek
[gamersyde.com] Skycrawlers Wii video gamersyde.com gamingeek
[gamersyde.com] TGS Last Remnant video gamersyde.com gamingeek
[gamersyde.com] Secret service announced for 360/PS2 and PC Ex-Naughty Dog guy gamersyde.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] DQ9 TGS video gamekyo.com gamingeek
[gamekyo.com] Resistance Retribution PSP pics Looks snazzy gamekyo.com gamingeek
[destructoid.com] Fragile destructoid impressions destructoid.com Iga_Bobovic
Muramasa 7 minutes trailer eyegasm dailymotion.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Diablo III Videos ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Blizzard Unveils Diablo III's Wizard We've got the first details about the brand new character class in the action RPG. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Fable 2 video preview ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] TGS 2008: LocoRoco 2 IGN Hands-on ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] TGS 2008: Resistance: Retribution Update Grayson heads into new territory... and PS3 connectivity! ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Far Cry 2 videos ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm Videos TGS 2008: Gameplay (Off-Screen) ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Nobi Nobi Boy Videos From the maker of Katamari ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Gundam 2 Trailer ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Dragon Ball: Origin video TGS 2008: Trailer (off screen) ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia video zombie attack (off screen) ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Tales of Hearts video sinosaur fight (off screen) ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] TGS 2008: Marble Saga IGN Hands-on A Kororinpa sequel is rolling your way. ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Klonoa IGN preview ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Space Invaders Get Even screens ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] The DS' Great Adventure How Nintendo's handhold has provided a new home for a displaced genre. eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[eurogamer.net] World of Goo Eurogamer Review 9.0 eurogamer.net Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] World of Goo IGN Review Absolutely phenomenal. 9.5 ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[ign.com] Little King's Story english trailer So Awesome ign.com Iga_Bobovic
[gametrailers.com] Castlevania WII trailer Looks pretty good... the graphics anyway. KIRA! gametrailers.com Foolz
[ign.com] IGN's Dead Space Review 8.7 ign.com Punk Rebel Ecks
[kotaku.com] Starcraft II To Become a Trilogy! Three Seperate Games for Singleplayer. What the Fuck... kotaku.com darthhomer
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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:51:22
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I didn't get a chance to defend Edge before so I will do it now. Yeah its a slow lineup for Nintendo right, but we have seen this before from them. They did this with GC, they start off amazing, huge games right at the start and then they slow down. Meanwhile you have a company like Sony that has big games every holiday, 2,3 sometimes 4 at a time every single year without fail. I know they have a ton of companies working under them but maybe that is what Nintendo needs. Now I don't want Nintendo to be pumping out their big three but at least have something else major.  Sorry I dont think Wario Land is a big game, its nice to have but it can be just any game you get at any point in the year. I know there is AC but its an odd genre. Now it seems like their big games are Wii Music, Wii Fit, Wii Sports, etc instead of having an action/adventure game or something, Kid Icarus would have been perfect right now.

But at the same time you can't deny the games they have released thus far in such a short period, or that they are in a down period while they get working on the next batch. This time next year, if there aren't some more hardcore games announced from nintendo themselves then you can complain. Kid Icarus is being worked on by Factor 5, this is fact according to IGN. We may not be able to fawn over the media yet, but it's only a matter of time before we see actual footage or screens of games like Pikmin 3 or Kid Icarus.

In the old days nintendo had companies like rare and silicon knights, plus a third party like F5 that would make GC exclusives or companies that would make nintendo games like F-Zero or Starfox. This policy didn't really pan out for them, F-zero was a great game but a commercial relative failure as were games like eternal darkness or Twin Snakes. Rare was turning to crap and sold off. Namco fudged up starfox. So what was learnt from this policy then? That expensive and time consuming projects from partners didn't reap rewards. All the while 3rd parties were the new mantra - let them do their own thing -and now we are in a situation where there are too few 2nd parties or partners.

Disaster is a big project from a Nintendo 2nd party, Punch Out is a big project from a nintendo 2nd party, Kid Icarus is being made by a partner. You may not like the products but they are still being made. And again, please don't ignore Animal Crossing as a "big" game from nintendo, this is a game that outsold Halo 1 and 2. It's a massive deal in a great series. So some people either don't like it or are unfamiliar with it? Well I can apply that to a litany of games and from my perspective then, they don't matter or don't appeal to me.

For me and others Beautiful Ocean will be as big a sequel as Killzone 2 or Fable 2.

So we are back down the taste argument. I don't like a lot of reggies recent comments and I think nintendo have underplayed their responsibility to informing their core audience. But in a way he is right that gamers are insatiable, we are always looking forward to the next great thing. I was bitching before, on my 1up blog, I moan from time to time I say how the E3 conference was total shit. But in reality at the same time when it comes to Wii software I haven't, since autumn last year had anything to complain about when it comes to games.

I know you Dvader haven't picked up a ton of titles, De Blob, Boom Blox, Endless Ocean, mario kart etc. I can understand Edgecrusher, who at least buys the majority of these titles - sans mario kart and Smash Bros -, but really I find it disappointing when people sit on the sidelines, don't buy the good games and then complain that they have nothing to pick up.

I never said their are no games to pick up. I said NINTENDO doesn't have much going, and yes AC is on taste, but why no alternative, Sony has an FPS, a platformer, a racing game, all coming out this year and two more big games early next year (and I bet next year they will have just as many games).  Nintendo has lacked a consistancy, they start off like a rocket, like they did this gen, run through all their amazing major titles and then slow down and wait for that cycle to pick up again. Well break the cycle, space it out a bit, add some new titles, bring back classic ones like Punch-Out (why isn't that a holiday title?!) Its not just the Wii, its happening on the DS too, what Nintendo made games are coming this holiday season, I dont know any. I knew there was a big giant black hole coming after Smash Bros. hit, there have been a few specs of light but I don't see us out of it yet, seeing how they are now starting to work on all the next titles I don't expect a new Zelda, Mario or Metroid till 2010. By then they might as well save them for Wii 2.

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:54:57
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By then they might as well save them for Wii 2.

Shhhhhh, don't give them ideas.

LOL

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:28:18
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By then they might as well save them for Wii 2.

Shhhhhh, don't give them ideas.

LOL

What a debate I am not partcipating in?! Oh well, I am busy making plans for that "glorious day" anyways.

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:58:33

What "glorious day"?

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:07:57
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What "glorious day"?

Cosplay Fap Day, the one that will go down in Iga's historical ANALS.

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:26:11
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dvader said:

What "glorious day"?

Cosplay Fap Day, the one that will go down in Iga's historical ANALS.

LOL Vader see the previous page!

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:37:27

OMG Glorious Day indeed!!!

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:23:43
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I just picked up Mario Sunshine, BTW.

I mean, my daughter bought it. Oh, and I totally agree with you on that quote, GG. Bad wording from my part. I had a nice reply, but somehow I fucked it up misplaced it.

It's not bad wording it's just internet forum life. You/I/they generalise, then over sensitive or pedantic assholes like myself pick up on a point said in jest/anger/lethargy and then the debate goes on. The circle of life continues.

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I think you can well like one thing more than another while recognizing the effect of taste on that and evaluating the design merits above all else.  As an example at least of an element of that, Starfox Adventure's combat was objectively poor.  If you disagree, I'm willing to not just say it's taste, but that you're simply wrong.

I do think that there is something objective about games. In that you can objectively say that Boom Blox, for instance, is a great game based on the general critical reaction from gamers and the media. What's awry to me is when gamers in general have this attitude where it's like: I'm not interested in that, damn there is nothing on that console for me, what a crappy console. That's them applying their subjective taste to a console library, while objectively you should take the balanced approach of saying, well I'm not really interested in that, but it has some great titles it seems. It is like that CNN Money article by Chris Morris, the hardcore demand to be catered to.

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dvader said:

Now it seems like their big games are Wii Music, Wii Fit, Wii Sports, etc instead of having an action/adventure game or something, Kid Icarus would have been perfect right now.

Thats just the thing though. Nintendo isn't even focus on those games. I mean think about it there has only been ONE of those games to come out so far this year and just one more down the road. I know some will point out that we had Brawl early on for 2008 but that is going to be nearly a year by the time November hits.

Yeah, I mean this is the pervading view that nintendo is now focusing on nothing but these casual titles, but only in marketing terms. It's skewed in that they launched Zelda at the same time as Wii Sports, while Wii Fit was being worked on they have released Mario kart and smash bros and more. Wii music has been in development since the wii's first E3 unveiling and look at all the hardcore games they have released in this period. It's just a complete fallacy that is all image based: nintendo highlight a title at an event so that is their one true focus? No, it's a section of games among many other games.

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Man, I can't wait for the day someone cosplay's her. That day the sun will shine, the birds will sing and we shall fap furiously. That day, my friend, would be a day to remember, a day were we shall all rise above our normal, mundane lives. A day that we shall all be proud of, a day we shall tell our kids, grandkids, lovers, parent and friend about. A day where we all shall be written in the annals of history, as heroes among men. That day shall be glorious.

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:47:49
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I never said their are no games to pick up. I said NINTENDO doesn't have much going, and yes AC is on taste, but why no alternative, Sony has an FPS, a platformer, a racing game, all coming out this year and two more big games early next year (and I bet next year they will have just as many games).  Nintendo has lacked a consistancy, they start off like a rocket, like they did this gen, run through all their amazing major titles and then slow down and wait for that cycle to pick up again. Well break the cycle, space it out a bit, add some new titles, bring back classic ones like Punch-Out (why isn't that a holiday title?!) Its not just the Wii, its happening on the DS too, what Nintendo made games are coming this holiday season, I dont know any. I knew there was a big giant black hole coming after Smash Bros. hit, there have been a few specs of light but I don't see us out of it yet, seeing how they are now starting to work on all the next titles I don't expect a new Zelda, Mario or Metroid till 2010. By then they might as well save them for Wii 2.

And where were these games in the first year and a bit of the systems life when you had people non-stop moaning that there was nothing to buy till MGS4 hit?  It's just a matter of timing at this point. I really don't know what people expect. On the one hand if nintendo are too strong publishing wise then people moan that the 3rd parties are feeling the sqeeuze. If third parties are let out in the pasture to roam then people moan that the first party isn't strong enough.

If nintendo then space out their big titles, they only have  few major franchises, people complain: where is game X? It's taking years?! Think about where nintendo were at the end of last gen? Last position, but perception wise a distant, distant third. No longer relevant, ripe for the takeover, the kiddie choice with no future. Their plan, their only and now successful plan was to get out the big franchises as fast as possible to drive momentum of the system and build an install base. They have done that, they have the big games out and they've done them better than ever and faster than ever. Really I'm not seeing what there is to complain about at the moment.

"I never said their are no games to pick up. I said NINTENDO doesn't have much going"

This is a problem for me, because the general connotation is that nintendo has no games, hence there is nothing to buy, hence the system is worthless, roll on Wii 2. As I've said in the past, it shouldn't matter who makes a good game as long as it IS a good game, so people who own more than one system and treat nintendo consoles as a first party machine and then complain about the lack of games have no sympathy from me and the excessive moaning from people like Pedro or Carnage who bought a cube, didn't buy any games and then moaned about it every day for the next 5 years just gets on my tits. If people haven't picked up the majority of good games then there are always titles to pick up and thus not much to worry or complain about.

BTW I know it's not out in the US this winter but the alternative to Animal Crossing I guess would be Disaster Day of Crisis. Not a game I have great hopes for critically, but it's from Nintendo and it is a big action packed traditional game for the winter.

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:52:57
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Yeah, I mean this is the pervading view that nintendo is now focusing on nothing but these casual titles, but only in marketing terms. It's skewed in that they launched Zelda at the same time as Wii Sports, while Wii Fit was being worked on they have released Mario kart and smash bros and more. Wii music has been in development since the wii's first E3 unveiling and look at all the hardcore games they have released in this period. It's just a complete fallacy that is all image based: nintendo highlight a title at an event so that is their one true focus? No, it's a section of games among many other games.

But no one is saying thats all they are making, I just said those games take up a spot that a true action/adventure or other normal Nintendo genre type game would have taken up. Nintendo's big game this holiday season is Wii Music. Animal Crossing is their second major game, which one sells more is yet to be seen but Wii Music is what they expect to be their big gun. And Wii Sports resort will be their major game for March, (hopefully Punch-Out will be ready by then too). Instead of this being say Kid Icarus and Pikmin 3, its Wii Music and Wii sports 2. They take up a slot, they take up dev time, they occupy Miyamoto brain time, you can't argue that.   From a business standpoint they should keep doing what they are doing, doesn't mean I have to like it.

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:57:29
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steelattack said:

I just picked up Mario Sunshine, BTW.

I mean, my daughter bought it. Oh, and I totally agree with you on that quote, GG. Bad wording from my part. I had a nice reply, but somehow I fucked it up misplaced it.

It's not bad wording it's just internet forum life. You/I/they generalise, then over sensitive or pedantic assholes like myself pick up on a point said in jest/anger/lethargy and then the debate goes on. The circle of life continues.

I knew you would understand me, Elton.

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:59:57
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I never said their are no games to pick up. I said NINTENDO doesn't have much going, and yes AC is on taste, but why no alternative, Sony has an FPS, a platformer, a racing game, all coming out this year and two more big games early next year (and I bet next year they will have just as many games).  Nintendo has lacked a consistancy, they start off like a rocket, like they did this gen, run through all their amazing major titles and then slow down and wait for that cycle to pick up again. Well break the cycle, space it out a bit, add some new titles, bring back classic ones like Punch-Out (why isn't that a holiday title?!) Its not just the Wii, its happening on the DS too, what Nintendo made games are coming this holiday season, I dont know any. I knew there was a big giant black hole coming after Smash Bros. hit, there have been a few specs of light but I don't see us out of it yet, seeing how they are now starting to work on all the next titles I don't expect a new Zelda, Mario or Metroid till 2010. By then they might as well save them for Wii 2.

And where were these games in the first year and a bit of the systems life when you had people non-stop moaning that there was nothing to buy till MGS4 hit?  It's just a matter of timing at this point. I really don't know what people expect. On the one hand if nintendo are too strong publishing wise then people moan that the 3rd parties are feeling the sqeeuze. If third parties are let out in the pasture to roam then people moan that the first party isn't strong enough.

If nintendo then space out their big titles, they only have  few major franchises, people complain: where is game X? It's taking years?! Think about where nintendo were at the end of last gen? Last position, but perception wise a distant, distant third. No longer relevant, ripe for the takeover, the kiddie choice with no future. Their plan, their only and now successful plan was to get out the big franchises as fast as possible to drive momentum of the system and build an install base. They have done that, they have the big games out and they've done them better than ever and faster than ever. Really I'm not seeing what there is to complain about at the moment.

"I never said their are no games to pick up. I said NINTENDO doesn't have much going"

This is a problem for me, because the general connotation is that nintendo has no games, hence there is nothing to buy, hence the system is worthless, roll on Wii 2. As I've said in the past, it shouldn't matter who makes a good game as long as it IS a good game, so people who own more than one system and treat nintendo consoles as a first party machine and then complain about the lack of games have no sympathy from me and the excessive moaning from people like Pedro or Carnage who bought a cube, didn't buy any games and then moaned about it every day for the next 5 years just gets on my tits. If people haven't picked up the majority of good games then there are always titles to pick up and thus not much to worry or complain about.

BTW I know it's not out in the US this winter but the alternative to Animal Crossing I guess would be Disaster Day of Crisis. Not a game I have great hopes for critically, but it's from Nintendo and it is a big action packed traditional game for the winter.

Good lord GG you are like on a different argument from the one I am making. You keep wanting to talk about the other games, I am saying nothing on that so stop trying to change the subject.You keep bring up some imaginary other argument, sorry but it makes it impossible to talk to you. When did I say anything about the Wii having no games, where did I say the wii is worthless?

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:17:37

Vader, GG you guys are not communicating.

There is only one solution

2 go in, 1 comes out.

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:35:44
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Vader, GG you guys are not communicating.

There is only one solution

2 go in, 1 comes out.

Cue Star Trek battle music. You know what I'm talking about...

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:37:50

Just a random thought brought out by all this Nintendo talk:

My taste in games must be evolving right along with Nintendo these days because while I love their traditional franchise titles, I also love their newer, non-traditional games too. For instance, I'm just as excited by Wii Sports Resort as I am of Punch-out; actually more so thanks to the MotionPlus accessory (MotionPlus is Wii 2). Wii Music, I'm not convinced of, but I'm really not a "music" person either. That being said, I know that my mom and sister would absolutely love it. If money wasn't an issue, I would already own Wario Land Shake it! (and de Blob too). I like the direction Nintendo is going; they're making games fun for a lot more people than ever before. I'm hopefull that they won't forget their classic franchises (Pilotwings Wii, please!), but as long as they continue to make fun and interesting games, then I'll be right along for the ride.

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:53:42
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iga_bobovic said:

Vader, GG you guys are not communicating.

There is only one solution

2 go in, 1 comes out.

Cue Star Trek battle music. You know what I'm talking about...

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:58:14
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Just a random thought brought out by all this Nintendo talk:

My taste in games must be evolving right along with Nintendo these days because while I love their traditional franchise titles, I also love their newer, non-traditional games too. For instance, I'm just as excited by Wii Sports Resort as I am of Punch-out; actually more so thanks to the MotionPlus accessory (MotionPlus is Wii 2). Wii Music, I'm not convinced of, but I'm really not a "music" person either. That being said, I know that my mom and sister would absolutely love it. If money wasn't an issue, I would already own Wario Land Shake it! (and de Blob too). I like the direction Nintendo is going; they're making games fun for a lot more people than ever before. I'm hopefull that they won't forget their classic franchises (Pilotwings Wii, please!), but as long as they continue to make fun and interesting games, then I'll be right along for the ride.

Well the rumour is that Punch-out will use motionplus and the balance board. I am a bit curious of Mach Rider! And I want       F-Zero. Where is my F-Zero? I must have it!

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:05:19
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Good lord GG you are like on a different argument from the one I am making. You keep wanting to talk about the other games, I am saying nothing on that so stop trying to change the subject.You keep bring up some imaginary other argument, sorry but it makes it impossible to talk to you. When did I say anything about the Wii having no games, where did I say the wii is worthless?

Jeez man, not talking about you, no need to get antsy. I'm talking about gamers in general and general opinions and reactions. That's why I said: the general connotation. But recentely you do keep talking as if Wii 2 should be out now and that the first system is already done. That's the impression you have been giving out recentely.

And really man, you can't just throw your arms up in the air and scream BU.. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT! YOU ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO TALK TO! And leave it at that, which you've done a couple of times here. If you think people have mis-interpreted your point than most people would have said:

"I never said Wii has no games, I just think that nintendo shouldn't focus on the casual side so much. I don't feel as if there is much for gamers like me to play in the next few months from nintendo themselves."

And then address the points in a discussion. Instead as with gaming forums, as I mentioned before with SteelAttacks post, in general, you have people throwing out exagerrations and then when someone queries it, or counterpoints it, there are complaints. Well sorry to be like Skylock but I think that people could be more balanced (robot like as edgecrusher would sayNyaa ) at times.

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gamingeek said:
Yeah, I mean this is the pervading view that nintendo is now focusing on nothing but these casual titles, but only in marketing terms. It's skewed in that they launched Zelda at the same time as Wii Sports, while Wii Fit was being worked on they have released Mario kart and smash bros and more. Wii music has been in development since the wii's first E3 unveiling and look at all the hardcore games they have released in this period. It's just a complete fallacy that is all image based: nintendo highlight a title at an event so that is their one true focus? No, it's a section of games among many other games.

But no one is saying thats all they are making, I just said those games take up a spot that a true action/adventure or other normal Nintendo genre type game would have taken up. Nintendo's big game this holiday season is Wii Music. Animal Crossing is their second major game, which one sells more is yet to be seen but Wii Music is what they expect to be their big gun. And Wii Sports resort will be their major game for March, (hopefully Punch-Out will be ready by then too). Instead of this being say Kid Icarus and Pikmin 3, its Wii Music and Wii sports 2. They take up a slot, they take up dev time, they occupy Miyamoto brain time, you can't argue that.   From a business standpoint they should keep doing what they are doing, doesn't mean I have to like it.

You said "Now it seems like their big games are Wii Music, Wii Fit, Wii Sports, etc instead of having an action/adventure game or something, Kid Icarus would have been perfect right now."

They aren't making games "instead of" they are making games of one type AND games of another type. That's where the fallacy lies, it's image based at the moment, looking at the evidence of released games you just can't reach that conclusion. For every casual nintendo game I can name a hardcore one. Animal Crossing was highlighted at E3 over Wii Music, the DS game sold million upon millions so the expectations I would imagine are pretty high. Disaster is a hardcore game that is being released at the end of this year in Japan and Europe.

Kid Icarus and Pikmin 3 are being worked on so again it's not like they are working on Wii Music instead of something hardcore, they are working on both types of games. Your argument is that a spring game will be casual instead of a hardcore game, but that isn't some deliberate choice to go towards casual, that's just a matter of development times and release schedules. It's most probable that Pikmin 3 takes much more time, thought and money to make than Wii Sports 2.

Sure casual games take up time and money but very little in comparison to larger games like Zelda for instance. It should probably be noted that Miyamoto's role is more as someone who gives an overview and feedback to large teams on many games. It's not like he's having his brain sucked away by casual games, hell he made mario galaxy which was critically received as one of the greatest games ever made, Wii Fit and Wii Sports developement didn't seem to impact on the making of that title, so why should we worry?

No one said that you have to like nintendo's casual games, I'm saying that if you look at nintendo's output there is a very good balance, perhaps a balance which actually skews far more towards the hardcore traditional gamer than this casual image which is bandied about these days.

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ravenprose said:

Just a random thought brought out by all this Nintendo talk:

My taste in games must be evolving right along with Nintendo these days because while I love their traditional franchise titles, I also love their newer, non-traditional games too. For instance, I'm just as excited by Wii Sports Resort as I am of Punch-out; actually more so thanks to the MotionPlus accessory (MotionPlus is Wii 2). Wii Music, I'm not convinced of, but I'm really not a "music" person either. That being said, I know that my mom and sister would absolutely love it. If money wasn't an issue, I would already own Wario Land Shake it! (and de Blob too). I like the direction Nintendo is going; they're making games fun for a lot more people than ever before. I'm hopefull that they won't forget their classic franchises (Pilotwings Wii, please!), but as long as they continue to make fun and interesting games, then I'll be right along for the ride.

Well the rumour is that Punch-out will use motionplus and the balance board. I am a bit curious of Mach Rider! And I want       F-Zero. Where is my F-Zero? I must have it!

It would make sense for Punch-out to use MotionPlus, but I'm not sure how it could be used with the Nunchuck unless you can play with two Wii remotes and two MotionPlus sensors. Perhaps they'll have mulitple settings or something.

I still need to get the balance board, but it's been sold out here since it came out. Sad

I'm all for another F-Zero just as long as Nintendo or someone other than Sega makes it. Sega made a money-stealing arcade game with GX instead of a fun console game. I know there are people that like that kind of extreme challenge, but it just wasn't fun for me. If it wasn't for the Time Attack mode, then I wouldn't have played GX at all.

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Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:56:12
ravenprose said:
iga_bobovic said:
ravenprose said:

Just a random thought brought out by all this Nintendo talk:

My taste in games must be evolving right along with Nintendo these days because while I love their traditional franchise titles, I also love their newer, non-traditional games too. For instance, I'm just as excited by Wii Sports Resort as I am of Punch-out; actually more so thanks to the MotionPlus accessory (MotionPlus is Wii 2). Wii Music, I'm not convinced of, but I'm really not a "music" person either. That being said, I know that my mom and sister would absolutely love it. If money wasn't an issue, I would already own Wario Land Shake it! (and de Blob too). I like the direction Nintendo is going; they're making games fun for a lot more people than ever before. I'm hopefull that they won't forget their classic franchises (Pilotwings Wii, please!), but as long as they continue to make fun and interesting games, then I'll be right along for the ride.

Well the rumour is that Punch-out will use motionplus and the balance board. I am a bit curious of Mach Rider! And I want       F-Zero. Where is my F-Zero? I must have it!

It would make sense for Punch-out to use MotionPlus, but I'm not sure how it could be used with the Nunchuck unless you can play with two Wii remotes and two MotionPlus sensors. Perhaps they'll have mulitple settings or something.

I still need to get the balance board, but it's been sold out here since it came out. Sad

I'm all for another F-Zero just as long as Nintendo or someone other than Sega makes it. Sega made a money-stealing arcade game with GX instead of a fun console game. I know there are people that like that kind of extreme challenge, but it just wasn't fun for me. If it wasn't for the Time Attack mode, then I wouldn't have played GX at all.

Hamster you are doing it wrong. To win in F-Zero you do not have to finish first, you just have to make sure that your rival does not finish at all. Yes, that is right, to beat F-Zero you need to fight dirty! I think Punch-out will have multiple setting like Kart and Brawl. Two motionplus FTW!

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